@tuanku
halah..biarin aja udah...disunat apa ngga...yg sunat gihhh...yg ngga gihhhh...paling2 yg bikin thread ..kelaminnya cuman segede "kelilngking" ...nutupin "kelingkingnya"biar gk engeh temen2nya makanya belagak "PERKASA"bikin thread sunat..Biar dianggap "kelingkingnya"SAKTI ..kan istrinya yg cuman tau tuh.....dmn2 cari pengalihan bwt nutupin kelemahan..gk ada kerjaan...ngebahas apa kek...ngebahas sunaaattt?..halah...makanya bikin thread ini...speak2 bahas sunat..
Pengalihan kelas kambing..basi ah...kelas ABG bahasnya ..ngebahas kelamin...
Sunat.. Berbahaya!! --> Warning, Berisi gambar kelamin.
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dia ini malu bro,diam-diam dia udah search statement WHO itu,mknya ia lg nabung nieh,mau sunat. biar deh udah tua baru sunat,drpd nyawa taruhannya kan...ha ha ha ha. WHO kok dilawan...
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Ada dua muslim panik rupanya hihihi...Tuanku wrote:dia ini malu bro,diam-diam dia udah search statement WHO itu,mknya ia lg nabung nieh,mau sunat. biar deh udah tua baru sunat,drpd nyawa taruhannya kan...ha ha ha ha. WHO kok dilawan...
ini saya hadirkan foto.
a. Penis yang tidak disunat.
b. Penis yang disunat.
Pertanyaannya, dari dua gambar penis diatas, yang mana lebih mudah dibersihkan dan otomatis lebih hiegenis?
Wakakakaka..
Hati2 nanti jadi impoten gara topik ini loh, bang MR dan Bang Tuanku....
- iamthewarlord
- Posts: 4375
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Re: Sunat.. Berbahaya!! --> Warning, Berisi gambar kelamin.
muslim rocker wrote:@tuanku
halah..biarin aja udah...disunat apa ngga...yg sunat gihhh...yg ngga gihhhh...paling2 yg bikin thread ..kelaminnya cuman segede "kelilngking" ...nutupin "kelingkingnya"biar gk engeh temen2nya makanya belagak "PERKASA"bikin thread sunat..Biar dianggap "kelingkingnya"SAKTI ..kan istrinya yg cuman tau tuh.....dmn2 cari pengalihan bwt nutupin kelemahan..gk ada kerjaan...ngebahas apa kek...ngebahas sunaaattt?..halah...makanya bikin thread ini...speak2 bahas sunat..
Pengalihan kelas kambing..basi ah...kelas ABG bahasnya ..ngebahas kelamin...
Mongo dijawab pertanyaan diatas.... wakakakaka...
Silahkan pilih jawabannya,
a
a
t
a
u
b
Re: Sunat.. Berbahaya!! --> Warning, Berisi gambar kelamin.
eh masih hidup nih dokter gadungan yg cuma bs nganalisa foto ngasal,kirain udah koit. skrg gini kamu percaya foto yg gak jelas asal usulnya itu atau statement resmi WHO. orang waras jg pilih who drpd profokasi ngasal analisa si dokter gadungan kapir ini. he he he he... kapir mmg suka berkhayal,tak bs menerima kenyataan. jgn menyesal ya kl istrimu kena kanker servik,atau ini mmg disengaja,spy bs ganti istri,kan cerai gak blh...haa haa haa haa. licik kamu,kasihan istrinya.
- iamthewarlord
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Re: Sunat.. Berbahaya!! --> Warning, Berisi gambar kelamin.
Tuanku wrote:eh masih hidup nih dokter gadungan yg cuma bs nganalisa foto ngasal,kirain udah koit. skrg gini kamu percaya foto yg gak jelas asal usulnya itu atau statement resmi WHO. orang waras jg pilih who drpd profokasi ngasal analisa si dokter gadungan kapir ini. he he he he... kapir mmg suka berkhayal,tak bs menerima kenyataan. jgn menyesal ya kl istrimu kena kanker servik,atau ini mmg disengaja,spy bs ganti istri,kan cerai gak blh...haa haa haa haa. licik kamu,kasihan istrinya.
Mana statemen WHO yg sudah 2 halaman ente sebut2 itu?
Saya sudah memberi bukti bahkan dengan gambar yang jelas ttg bahaya sunat, anda malah cuma putar2 pakai alasan WHO, wakakaka..
Saya mengerti anda menjadi impoten gara2 topik ini, sehingga tidak mampu menyanggah topik ini.
Monggo dijawab pertanyaan diatas,
A
atau
B
?
wakaka..
Re: Sunat.. Berbahaya!! --> Warning, Berisi gambar kelamin.
Dear All,
Dua orang muslim di atas ini DODOL....dia ketakutan sendiri krn terbukti penis nya sudah ada bridge nya, jamin kalau dia mau jujur.
Mengenai Sunat atau circumcision (dlm bahasa inggris) saya sudah googling kemana2 tidak ada satupun di WHO baik yg WHO indonesia maupun WHO luar yg menyatakan bahwa tidak sunat dapat menimbulkan penyakit HIV atau AIDS, atau pun dapat menyebabkan kanker.
Yang ada juga gue nemuin ini selagi googling:
Medical Studies on Circumcision
Circumcision Decreases Sexual Pleasure
A questionnaire was used to study the sexuality of men circumcised as adults compared to uncircumcised men, and to compare their sex lives before and after circumcision. The study included 373 sexually active men, of whom 255 were circumcised and 118 were not. Of the 255 circumcised men, 138 had been sexually active before circumcision, and all were circumcised at >20 years of age. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision. There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.
Kim, D. and Pang, M., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on Sexuality," BJU International 99 (2007): 619-22.
Circumcision Removes the Most Sensitive Parts of the Penis
A sensitivity study of the adult penis in circumcised and uncircumcised men shows that the uncircumcised penis is significantly more sensitive. The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis is the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision are significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the circumcised penis.
In addition, the glans (head) of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The tip of the foreskin is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis, and it is significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive area of the circumcised penis. Circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis.
This study presents the first extensive testing of fine touch pressure thresholds of the adult penis. The monofiliment testing instruments are calibrated and have been used to test female genital sensitivity.
Sorrells, M. et al., �Fine-Touch Pressure Thresholds in the Adult Penis,� BJU International 99 (2007): 864-869.
Circumcision Policy Influenced by Psychosocial Factors
The debate about the advisability of circumcision in English-speaking countries typically has focused on potential health factors. The position statements of committees from national medical organisations are expected to be evidence-based; however, the contentiousness of the ongoing debate suggests that other factors are involved. Various potential factors related to psychology, sociology, religion, and culture may also underlie policy decisions. These factors could affect the values and attitudes of medical committee members, the process of evaluating the medical literature, and the medical literature itself. Although medical professionals highly value rationality, it can be difficult to conduct a rational and objective evaluation of an emotional and controversial topic such as circumcision. A negotiated compromise between polarized committee factions could introduce additional psychosocial factors. These possibilities are speculative, not conclusive. It is recommended that an open discussion of psychosocial factors take place and that the potential biases of committee members be recognized.
Goldman, R., �Circumcision Policy: A Psychosocial Perspective,� Paediatrics & Child Health 9 (2004): 630-633.
Circumcision is Not Good Health Policy
A cost-utility analysis, based on published data from multiple observational studies, comparing boys circumcised at birth and those not circumcised was undertaken using the Quality of Well-being Scale, a Markov analysis, the standard reference case, and a societal perspective. Neonatal circumcision increased incremental costs by $828.42 per patient and resulted in an incremental 15.30 well-years lost per 1000 males. If neonatal circumcision was cost-free, pain-free, and had no immediate complications, it was still more costly than not circumcising. Using sensitivity analysis, it was impossible to arrange a scenario that made neonatal circumcision cost-effective. Neonatal circumcision is not good health policy, and support for it as a medical procedure cannot be justified financially or medically.
Van Howe, R., �A Cost-Utility Analysis of Neonatal Circumcision,� Medical Decision Making 24 (2004):584-601.
Circumcision Results in Significant Loss of Erogenous Tissue
A report published in the British Journal of Urology assessed the type and amount of tissue missing from the adult circumcised penis by examining adult foreskins obtained at autopsy. Investigators found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft. The foreskin, according to the study, protects the head of the penis and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity.
Taylor, J. et al., "The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision," BJU 77 (1996): 291�295.
Circumcision Affects Sexual Behavior
A study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that circumcision provided no significant prophylactic benefit and that circumcised men were more likely to engage in various sexual practices. Specifically, circumcised men were significantly more likely to masturbate and to participate in heterosexual oral sex than uncircumcised men.
Laumann, E. et al., "Circumcision in the U.S.: Prevalence, Prophylactic Effects, and Sexual Practice," JAMA 277 (1997): 1052�1057.
Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of Circumcision
A team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.
The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant�s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."
Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599�603.
Circumcision Study Halted Due to Trauma
Researchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.
Lander, J. et al., "Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision," JAMA 278 (1997): 2157�2162.
Circumcised Penis Requires More Care in Young Boys
The circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged.
Van Howe, R., "Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study," BJU 80 (1997): 776�782.
Poll of Circumcised Men Reveals Harm
A poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men�s health and well-being. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted.
Hammond, T., "A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 85�92
Psychological Effects of Circumcision Studied
An article titled "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision" reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term unrecognized psychological effects on men. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants� responses to circumcision and concludes, "there is strong evidence that circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic." The article notes that infants exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, and some men have strong feelings of anger, shame, distrust, and grief about having been circumcised. In addition, circumcision has been shown to disrupt the mother-infant bond, and some mothers report significant distress after allowing their son to be circumcised. Psychological factors perpetuate circumcision. According to the author, "defending circumcision requires minimizing or dismissing the harm and producing overstated medical claims about protection from future harm. The ongoing denial requires the acceptance of false beliefs and misunderstanding of facts. These psychological factors affect professionals, members of religious groups, and parents involved in the practice."
Expressions from circumcised men are generally lacking because most circumcised men do not understand what circumcision is, emotional repression keeps feelings from awareness, or men may be aware of these feelings but afraid of disclosure.
Goldman, R., "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 93�102
Serious Consequences of Circumcision Trauma in Adult Men Clinically Observed
Using four case examples that are typical among his clients, a practicing psychiatrist presents clinical findings regarding the serious and sometimes disabling long-term somatic, emotional, and psychological consequences of infant circumcision in adult men. These consequences resemble complex post-traumatic stress disorder and emerge during psychotherapy focused on the resolution of perinatal and developmental trauma. Adult symptoms associated with circumcision trauma include shyness, anger, fear, powerlessness, distrust, low self-esteem, relationship difficulties, and sexual shame. Long-term psychotherapy dealing with early trauma resolution appears to be effective in healing these consequences.
Rhinehart, J., "Neonatal Circumcision Revistited," Transactional Analysis Journal 29 (1999): 215-221
Anatomy and Function of the Foreskin Documented
A new article describes the foreskin (prepuce) as an integral, normal part of the genitals of mammals. It is specialized, protective, erogenous tissue. A description of the complex nerve structure of the penis explains why anesthetics provide incomplete pain relief during circumcision. Cutting off the foreskin removes many fine-touch receptors from the penis and results in thickening and desensitization of the glans outer layer. The complex anatomy and function of the foreskin dictate that circumcision should be avoided or deferred until the person can make an informed decision as an adult.
Cold, C. and Taylor, J., "The Prepuce," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 34�44.
Male Circumcision Affects Female Sexual Enjoyment
A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. Without the foreskin to provide a movable sleeve of skin, intercourse with a circumcised penis resulted in female discomfort from increased friction, abrasion, and loss of natural secretions. Respondents overwhelmingly concurred that the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes.
O�Hara, K. and O�Hara, J., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on the Sexual Enjoyment of the Female Partner," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 79�84
Male Circumcision and Psychosexual Effects Investigated
Infant male circumcision continues despite growing questions about its medical justification. As usually performed without analgesia or anesthetic, circumcision is observably painful. It is likely that genital cutting has physical, sexual, and psychological consequences, too. Some studies link involuntary male circumcision with a range of negative emotions and even post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Some circumcised men have described their current feelings in the language of violation, torture, mutilation, and sexual assault. In view of the acute as well as long-term risks from circumcision and the legal liabilities that might arise, it is timely for health professionals and scientists to re-examine the evidence on this issue and participate in the debate about the advisability of this surgical procedure on unconsenting minors.
Boyle, G., Goldman, R., Svoboda, J.S., and Fernandez, E., "Male Circumcision: Pain, Trauma, and Psychosexual Sequelae," Journal of Health Psychology 7 (2002): 329-343.
Surveys Reveal Adverse Sexual and Psychological Effects of Circumcision
A survey of the 35 female and 42 gay sexual partners of circumcised and genitally intact men, and a separate survey of 53 circumcised and genitally intact men, and a separate survey of 30 genitally intact men themselves indicated that circumcised men experienced significantly reduced sexual sensation along with associated long-lasting negative emotional consequences.
Boyle, G. and Bensley, G., "Adverse Sexual and Psychological Effects of Male Infant Circumcision,". Psychological Reports 88 (2001): 1105-1106.
Foreskin Reduces the Force Required for Penetration and Increases Comfort
Masters and Johnson observed that the foreskin unrolled with intercourse. However, they overlooked a prior observation that intromission (i.e., penetration) was thereby made easier. To evaluate this observation an artificial introitus was mounted on scales. Repeated measurements showed a 10-fold reduction of force on entry with an initially unretracted foreskin as compared to entry with a retracted foreskin. For the foreskin to reduce the force required it must cover most of the glans when the penis is erect.
Taves, D., "The Intromission Function of the Foreskin," Med Hypotheses 59 (2002): 180.
Survey of Men Circumcised as Adults Shows Mixed Results
Men circumcised as adults were surveyed to assess erectile function, penile sensitivity, sexual activity and overall satisfaction. Over 80% of these men were circumcised to treat a medical problem. The response rate was 44% among potential responders. Mean age of responders was 42 years at circumcision and 46 years at survey. Adult circumcision appears to result in worsened erectile function, decreased penile sensitivity, no change in sexual activity, and improved satisfaction. Of the men 50% reported benefits and 38% reported harm. Overall, 62% of men were satisfied with having been circumcised. Note: Results may be affected by the fact that there was no sample of normal, healthy, genitally intact men for comparison.
Fink, K., Carson, C., DeVellis, R., "Adult Circumcision Outcomes Study: Effect on Erectile Function, Penile Sensitivity, Sexual Activity and Satisfaction," J Urol 167 (2002): 2113-2116.
Survey Finds Circumcision Contributes to Vaginal Dryness
The impact of male circumcision on vaginal dryness during coitus was investigated. We conducted a survey of 35 female sexual partners aged 18 to 69 years who had experienced sexual intercourse with both circumcised and genitally intact men. Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men.
Bensley, G. and Boyle, G., "Effects of Male Circumcision on Female Arousal and Orgasm," N Z Med J 116 (2003): 595-596.
Early Adverse Experiences May Lead to Abnormal Brain Development and Behavior
Self-destructive behavior in current society promotes a search for psychobiological factors underlying this epidemic. The brain of the newborn infant is particularly vulnerability to early adverse experiences, leading to abnormal development and behavior. Although several investigations have correlated newborn complications with abnormal adult behavior, our understanding of the underlying mechanisms remains rudimentary. Models of early experience, such as repetitive pain, sepsis, or maternal separation in rodents and other species have noted multiple alterations in the adult brain, correlated with specific behavioral types depending on the timing and nature of the adverse experience. The mechanisms mediating such changes in the newborn brain have remained largely unexplored. Maternal separation, sensory isolation (understimulation), and exposure to extreme or repetitive pain (overstimulation) may cause altered brain development. (Circumcision is described as an intervention with long-term neurobehavioral effects.) These changes promote two distinct behavioral types characterized by increased anxiety, altered pain sensitivity, stress disorders, hyperactivity/attention deficit disorder, leading to impaired social skills and patterns of self-destructive behavior. The clinical importance of these mechanisms lies in the prevention of early adverse experiences and effective treatment of newborn pain and stress.
Anand, K. and Scalzo, F., "Can Adverse Neonatal Experiences Alter Brain Development and Subsequent Behavior? Biol Neonate 77 (2000): 69-82.
Jelas TS di sini memberikan informasi yg benar, dan saya sempatkan untuk tanya ke beberapa teman muslimah, dan beberapa (maaf) perex yg sering melayani bebagai macam lelaki, mereka semua menyatakan kalau main dengan cowo yg di sunat lebih tidak enak krn sakit, bahkan mereka terpaksa membasahi vagina nya dengan air ludah supaya cukup basah jadi tidak menyakitkan jika main, dan jika mereka di suruh memilih melayani lelaki yg di sunat atau yg tidak di sunat, semua menyatakan lebih suka melayani yg tidak bersunat.
Ini keterangan saya boleh di check sama perex mana saja.
Jadi jelas bahwa SUNAT itu sungguh2 tidak berguna malah mendatangkan celaka
Jadi kebat - kebit tuh hati para slimer
Jangan salahkan orang tua lo mengandung, salahkan lah kamu yang punya burung cacat krn di sunat
Dua orang muslim di atas ini DODOL....dia ketakutan sendiri krn terbukti penis nya sudah ada bridge nya, jamin kalau dia mau jujur.
Mengenai Sunat atau circumcision (dlm bahasa inggris) saya sudah googling kemana2 tidak ada satupun di WHO baik yg WHO indonesia maupun WHO luar yg menyatakan bahwa tidak sunat dapat menimbulkan penyakit HIV atau AIDS, atau pun dapat menyebabkan kanker.
Yang ada juga gue nemuin ini selagi googling:
Medical Studies on Circumcision
Circumcision Decreases Sexual Pleasure
A questionnaire was used to study the sexuality of men circumcised as adults compared to uncircumcised men, and to compare their sex lives before and after circumcision. The study included 373 sexually active men, of whom 255 were circumcised and 118 were not. Of the 255 circumcised men, 138 had been sexually active before circumcision, and all were circumcised at >20 years of age. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision. There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.
Kim, D. and Pang, M., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on Sexuality," BJU International 99 (2007): 619-22.
Circumcision Removes the Most Sensitive Parts of the Penis
A sensitivity study of the adult penis in circumcised and uncircumcised men shows that the uncircumcised penis is significantly more sensitive. The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis is the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision are significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the circumcised penis.
In addition, the glans (head) of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The tip of the foreskin is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis, and it is significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive area of the circumcised penis. Circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis.
This study presents the first extensive testing of fine touch pressure thresholds of the adult penis. The monofiliment testing instruments are calibrated and have been used to test female genital sensitivity.
Sorrells, M. et al., �Fine-Touch Pressure Thresholds in the Adult Penis,� BJU International 99 (2007): 864-869.
Circumcision Policy Influenced by Psychosocial Factors
The debate about the advisability of circumcision in English-speaking countries typically has focused on potential health factors. The position statements of committees from national medical organisations are expected to be evidence-based; however, the contentiousness of the ongoing debate suggests that other factors are involved. Various potential factors related to psychology, sociology, religion, and culture may also underlie policy decisions. These factors could affect the values and attitudes of medical committee members, the process of evaluating the medical literature, and the medical literature itself. Although medical professionals highly value rationality, it can be difficult to conduct a rational and objective evaluation of an emotional and controversial topic such as circumcision. A negotiated compromise between polarized committee factions could introduce additional psychosocial factors. These possibilities are speculative, not conclusive. It is recommended that an open discussion of psychosocial factors take place and that the potential biases of committee members be recognized.
Goldman, R., �Circumcision Policy: A Psychosocial Perspective,� Paediatrics & Child Health 9 (2004): 630-633.
Circumcision is Not Good Health Policy
A cost-utility analysis, based on published data from multiple observational studies, comparing boys circumcised at birth and those not circumcised was undertaken using the Quality of Well-being Scale, a Markov analysis, the standard reference case, and a societal perspective. Neonatal circumcision increased incremental costs by $828.42 per patient and resulted in an incremental 15.30 well-years lost per 1000 males. If neonatal circumcision was cost-free, pain-free, and had no immediate complications, it was still more costly than not circumcising. Using sensitivity analysis, it was impossible to arrange a scenario that made neonatal circumcision cost-effective. Neonatal circumcision is not good health policy, and support for it as a medical procedure cannot be justified financially or medically.
Van Howe, R., �A Cost-Utility Analysis of Neonatal Circumcision,� Medical Decision Making 24 (2004):584-601.
Circumcision Results in Significant Loss of Erogenous Tissue
A report published in the British Journal of Urology assessed the type and amount of tissue missing from the adult circumcised penis by examining adult foreskins obtained at autopsy. Investigators found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft. The foreskin, according to the study, protects the head of the penis and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity.
Taylor, J. et al., "The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision," BJU 77 (1996): 291�295.
Circumcision Affects Sexual Behavior
A study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that circumcision provided no significant prophylactic benefit and that circumcised men were more likely to engage in various sexual practices. Specifically, circumcised men were significantly more likely to masturbate and to participate in heterosexual oral sex than uncircumcised men.
Laumann, E. et al., "Circumcision in the U.S.: Prevalence, Prophylactic Effects, and Sexual Practice," JAMA 277 (1997): 1052�1057.
Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of Circumcision
A team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.
The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant�s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."
Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599�603.
Circumcision Study Halted Due to Trauma
Researchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.
Lander, J. et al., "Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision," JAMA 278 (1997): 2157�2162.
Circumcised Penis Requires More Care in Young Boys
The circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged.
Van Howe, R., "Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study," BJU 80 (1997): 776�782.
Poll of Circumcised Men Reveals Harm
A poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men�s health and well-being. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted.
Hammond, T., "A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 85�92
Psychological Effects of Circumcision Studied
An article titled "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision" reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term unrecognized psychological effects on men. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants� responses to circumcision and concludes, "there is strong evidence that circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic." The article notes that infants exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, and some men have strong feelings of anger, shame, distrust, and grief about having been circumcised. In addition, circumcision has been shown to disrupt the mother-infant bond, and some mothers report significant distress after allowing their son to be circumcised. Psychological factors perpetuate circumcision. According to the author, "defending circumcision requires minimizing or dismissing the harm and producing overstated medical claims about protection from future harm. The ongoing denial requires the acceptance of false beliefs and misunderstanding of facts. These psychological factors affect professionals, members of religious groups, and parents involved in the practice."
Expressions from circumcised men are generally lacking because most circumcised men do not understand what circumcision is, emotional repression keeps feelings from awareness, or men may be aware of these feelings but afraid of disclosure.
Goldman, R., "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 93�102
Serious Consequences of Circumcision Trauma in Adult Men Clinically Observed
Using four case examples that are typical among his clients, a practicing psychiatrist presents clinical findings regarding the serious and sometimes disabling long-term somatic, emotional, and psychological consequences of infant circumcision in adult men. These consequences resemble complex post-traumatic stress disorder and emerge during psychotherapy focused on the resolution of perinatal and developmental trauma. Adult symptoms associated with circumcision trauma include shyness, anger, fear, powerlessness, distrust, low self-esteem, relationship difficulties, and sexual shame. Long-term psychotherapy dealing with early trauma resolution appears to be effective in healing these consequences.
Rhinehart, J., "Neonatal Circumcision Revistited," Transactional Analysis Journal 29 (1999): 215-221
Anatomy and Function of the Foreskin Documented
A new article describes the foreskin (prepuce) as an integral, normal part of the genitals of mammals. It is specialized, protective, erogenous tissue. A description of the complex nerve structure of the penis explains why anesthetics provide incomplete pain relief during circumcision. Cutting off the foreskin removes many fine-touch receptors from the penis and results in thickening and desensitization of the glans outer layer. The complex anatomy and function of the foreskin dictate that circumcision should be avoided or deferred until the person can make an informed decision as an adult.
Cold, C. and Taylor, J., "The Prepuce," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 34�44.
Male Circumcision Affects Female Sexual Enjoyment
A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. Without the foreskin to provide a movable sleeve of skin, intercourse with a circumcised penis resulted in female discomfort from increased friction, abrasion, and loss of natural secretions. Respondents overwhelmingly concurred that the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes.
O�Hara, K. and O�Hara, J., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on the Sexual Enjoyment of the Female Partner," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 79�84
Male Circumcision and Psychosexual Effects Investigated
Infant male circumcision continues despite growing questions about its medical justification. As usually performed without analgesia or anesthetic, circumcision is observably painful. It is likely that genital cutting has physical, sexual, and psychological consequences, too. Some studies link involuntary male circumcision with a range of negative emotions and even post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Some circumcised men have described their current feelings in the language of violation, torture, mutilation, and sexual assault. In view of the acute as well as long-term risks from circumcision and the legal liabilities that might arise, it is timely for health professionals and scientists to re-examine the evidence on this issue and participate in the debate about the advisability of this surgical procedure on unconsenting minors.
Boyle, G., Goldman, R., Svoboda, J.S., and Fernandez, E., "Male Circumcision: Pain, Trauma, and Psychosexual Sequelae," Journal of Health Psychology 7 (2002): 329-343.
Surveys Reveal Adverse Sexual and Psychological Effects of Circumcision
A survey of the 35 female and 42 gay sexual partners of circumcised and genitally intact men, and a separate survey of 53 circumcised and genitally intact men, and a separate survey of 30 genitally intact men themselves indicated that circumcised men experienced significantly reduced sexual sensation along with associated long-lasting negative emotional consequences.
Boyle, G. and Bensley, G., "Adverse Sexual and Psychological Effects of Male Infant Circumcision,". Psychological Reports 88 (2001): 1105-1106.
Foreskin Reduces the Force Required for Penetration and Increases Comfort
Masters and Johnson observed that the foreskin unrolled with intercourse. However, they overlooked a prior observation that intromission (i.e., penetration) was thereby made easier. To evaluate this observation an artificial introitus was mounted on scales. Repeated measurements showed a 10-fold reduction of force on entry with an initially unretracted foreskin as compared to entry with a retracted foreskin. For the foreskin to reduce the force required it must cover most of the glans when the penis is erect.
Taves, D., "The Intromission Function of the Foreskin," Med Hypotheses 59 (2002): 180.
Survey of Men Circumcised as Adults Shows Mixed Results
Men circumcised as adults were surveyed to assess erectile function, penile sensitivity, sexual activity and overall satisfaction. Over 80% of these men were circumcised to treat a medical problem. The response rate was 44% among potential responders. Mean age of responders was 42 years at circumcision and 46 years at survey. Adult circumcision appears to result in worsened erectile function, decreased penile sensitivity, no change in sexual activity, and improved satisfaction. Of the men 50% reported benefits and 38% reported harm. Overall, 62% of men were satisfied with having been circumcised. Note: Results may be affected by the fact that there was no sample of normal, healthy, genitally intact men for comparison.
Fink, K., Carson, C., DeVellis, R., "Adult Circumcision Outcomes Study: Effect on Erectile Function, Penile Sensitivity, Sexual Activity and Satisfaction," J Urol 167 (2002): 2113-2116.
Survey Finds Circumcision Contributes to Vaginal Dryness
The impact of male circumcision on vaginal dryness during coitus was investigated. We conducted a survey of 35 female sexual partners aged 18 to 69 years who had experienced sexual intercourse with both circumcised and genitally intact men. Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men.
Bensley, G. and Boyle, G., "Effects of Male Circumcision on Female Arousal and Orgasm," N Z Med J 116 (2003): 595-596.
Early Adverse Experiences May Lead to Abnormal Brain Development and Behavior
Self-destructive behavior in current society promotes a search for psychobiological factors underlying this epidemic. The brain of the newborn infant is particularly vulnerability to early adverse experiences, leading to abnormal development and behavior. Although several investigations have correlated newborn complications with abnormal adult behavior, our understanding of the underlying mechanisms remains rudimentary. Models of early experience, such as repetitive pain, sepsis, or maternal separation in rodents and other species have noted multiple alterations in the adult brain, correlated with specific behavioral types depending on the timing and nature of the adverse experience. The mechanisms mediating such changes in the newborn brain have remained largely unexplored. Maternal separation, sensory isolation (understimulation), and exposure to extreme or repetitive pain (overstimulation) may cause altered brain development. (Circumcision is described as an intervention with long-term neurobehavioral effects.) These changes promote two distinct behavioral types characterized by increased anxiety, altered pain sensitivity, stress disorders, hyperactivity/attention deficit disorder, leading to impaired social skills and patterns of self-destructive behavior. The clinical importance of these mechanisms lies in the prevention of early adverse experiences and effective treatment of newborn pain and stress.
Anand, K. and Scalzo, F., "Can Adverse Neonatal Experiences Alter Brain Development and Subsequent Behavior? Biol Neonate 77 (2000): 69-82.
Jelas TS di sini memberikan informasi yg benar, dan saya sempatkan untuk tanya ke beberapa teman muslimah, dan beberapa (maaf) perex yg sering melayani bebagai macam lelaki, mereka semua menyatakan kalau main dengan cowo yg di sunat lebih tidak enak krn sakit, bahkan mereka terpaksa membasahi vagina nya dengan air ludah supaya cukup basah jadi tidak menyakitkan jika main, dan jika mereka di suruh memilih melayani lelaki yg di sunat atau yg tidak di sunat, semua menyatakan lebih suka melayani yg tidak bersunat.
Ini keterangan saya boleh di check sama perex mana saja.
Jadi jelas bahwa SUNAT itu sungguh2 tidak berguna malah mendatangkan celaka
Jadi kebat - kebit tuh hati para slimer
Jangan salahkan orang tua lo mengandung, salahkan lah kamu yang punya burung cacat krn di sunat
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Belum ada slimer yg balas ya???? dah pusing ternyata portingan ini tidak terbantahkan,
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slimmer ketakutan gara2 topik ini.dasy_r wrote:Belum ada slimer yg balas ya???? dah pusing ternyata portingan ini tidak terbantahkan,
dan menjadi simalakama dengan kasus sunat, punya anak lelaki jika tak disunat, maka salah dihadapan agama, disunat akan membuat anak lelakinya menderita cacat penis seumur hidup.
Cilakaaa, cilakaaa, cilakaaaa duabelas laaaa...
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Jadi sebaiknya kalau cowok disunat jangan saat masih kecil, tetapi lebih baik disaat sudah cukup dewasa untuk merawat bekas potongan sunatnya sehingga tidak menjadi seperti foto-foto mengerikan diatas.
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Anda salah jika menganggap orang yg tak besunat, ketika berhubungan sex akan tertutup kulup.xscar wrote:koreksi aja ya bro terjadinya brigde itu mungkin salah/kecelakaan yg nyunat atau perawatanya yg salah stlah sunat jd klo yg nyunat n perawatanya bener n lukanya dah kering gak mungkin timbul itu bridge dikemudian hari. mungkin jg belum waktunya sunat dah disunat jd jangan di generalisasi. punya gw bagus tuh bro gak ada brigdenya mungkin klo sex lebih nikmat ada benernya krn ketutup ma kulup gak pernah kesentuh jd sensitif. imho loh
Saat tidak ereksi, kulup akan menutupi kepala penis, tetapi saat ereksi, maka kulup akan tertarik habis kebelakang dan kepala penis akan terbuka utuh.
Perhatikan gambar dibawah ini, perhatikan garis ujung kulup, jika ereksi maka garis itu akan berada dipangkal penis.
Untuk anda yg sunat, semoga tidak ada bridge, karena bridge ini terjadi dalam jangka waktu yg cukup lama, bukan karena kesalahan sunat tetapi karena perawatan setelah sunat memerlukan jangka waktu yg cukup lama agar jangan terjadi bridge.
Dan kepala penis, karena tidak tertutup kulup, akan mengeras, bahkan bisa kroak.
ini contohnya:
Perhatikan, kepala pen1s, lama2 akan mengeras dan berpotensi menjadi sarang kuman2, dibandingkan dengan pen1s yg tidak bersunat karena licin dan mudah dibersihkan.
Jadi anda harus selalu menjaga kelembaban penis tsb.
Tp inti dari topik ini adalah ternyata sunat berbahaya dan sebaiknya tidak dilakukan karena tidak memberikan manfaat apapun juga, malah kerugian.
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baca itu hasil penelitian yg paling mutakhir. iya bener,si ts itu mmg cuma koleksi foto2 kecelakaan akibat tdk sesuai prosedur yg benar. lantas ia ambil kesimpulan sendiri. nieh aku kasih key word u/ search: manfaat sunat,WHO, kanker servik,AIDS,TEMPO. para dokter pun sdh sepakat bhw manfaat sunat itu besar sekali thd kesehatan. nyawa ini taruhannya! nah cepetan sunat sblm kena kanker. baru nyesel nanti..
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Udah....kita foto2 buka kelamin masing2 aja...kita liat...yg bikin thread ini segede apa..makanya dia bikin Thread topic ABG kayak gini...?ok2?..
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Saya setuju dengan pendapat Bro Poli, sebaiknya sunat dilakukan saat sudah dapat merawat diri sendiri atau malah saat bayi. Karena saat bayi, orang tua akan merawatnya. Itu sebabnya dikalangan Yahudi sunat itu saat usia 8 hari dimana proses penyembuhan akan sangat cepat dan bayi masih dalam perawatan ibunya hingga dpt menghindari terjadinya bridge tersebut.poligami wrote:Jadi sebaiknya kalau cowok disunat jangan saat masih kecil, tetapi lebih baik disaat sudah cukup dewasa untuk merawat bekas potongan sunatnya sehingga tidak menjadi seperti foto-foto mengerikan diatas.
Jika dari segi bahaya, sunat saat dewasa cukup berbahaya jika terjadi pendarahan dan/atau jika ada penyakit yg membuat luka sulit sembuh, seperti diabetes. Jadi sebaiknya sunat dilakukan oleh tenaga medis yg memadai. Di desa2 tertentu sunat masih dilakukan dengan tradisional, menggunakan kulit bambu sebagai pemotongnya.
Cuma jadi pertanyaan buat saya, bagi Islam sunat itu makna teologisnya apa? Sebab bagi Yahudi/Israel khan memang sebagai tanda Perjanjian. Silahkan penganut Islam menjelaskan.
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alah...dijelasin ilmiah diketawain..dibilang knp nyama2in ama iptek..dijelasin teologis dihina2..percuma..udah buka celana aja semua disini...liat2...kelamin masing2...fotonya pasang..kita liat ,bener gk yg bikin thread ngga disunat lebih bagus...beres!Cuma jadi pertanyaan buat saya, bagi Islam sunat itu makna teologisnya apa? Sebab bagi Yahudi/Israel khan memang sebagai tanda Perjanjian. Silahkan penganut Islam menjelaskan.
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Tuanku wrote:baca itu hasil penelitian yg paling mutakhir. iya bener,si ts itu mmg cuma koleksi foto2 kecelakaan akibat tdk sesuai prosedur yg benar. lantas ia ambil kesimpulan sendiri. nieh aku kasih key word u/ search: manfaat sunat,WHO, kanker servik,AIDS,TEMPO. para dokter pun sdh sepakat bhw manfaat sunat itu besar sekali thd kesehatan. nyawa ini taruhannya! nah cepetan sunat sblm kena kanker. baru nyesel nanti..
Ini manusia cuma banyak bacot kosong,
MANA ARTIKELNYA?
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Ini muslim panik yg tidak bisa membantah topik ini.muslim rocker wrote:Udah....kita foto2 buka kelamin masing2 aja...kita liat...yg bikin thread ini segede apa..makanya dia bikin Thread topic ABG kayak gini...?ok2?..
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Mungkin sunat anda cuma sedikit, tapi bagian "FRENULUM" apakah masih ada?xscar wrote:gw tahu bro yg tidak sunat ketika ereksi kulupnya akan terbuka makanya gw ngomong lebih nikmat krn sensitif tuh kepala penis krn selalu ketutup ketika gak dipake. klo punya gw ketika tidak ereksi kulup masih nutup separoh kepala tuh hehe. dan soal perawatan jangan salah bro perawatan tuh cuma habis sunat doang kira2 1 2 bulanan setelah kering gak ada perawatan tuh
Itu adalah G SPOT nya pen1s dan tempat yang paling nikmat di Pen1s.
Pada sunat, bagian "FRENULUM" ini akan hilang dan terpotong.
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ha ha ha kapir yg cemas krn tak disunat. pilih mana,analisa ngaco lewat foto atau opini dokter,ya jelas pilih apa kata dokter donk,jg dlm praktek lebih sehat dan lebih enak tuh. hasil check up menyeluruh minimal tiap thn rutin jg menunjukkan hasil yg menunjang,sehat-sehat aja tuh. justru kl tdk sunat,lbh beresiko kena kanker dan berbagai penyakit berbahaya spt aids dll.
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Tuanku wrote:ha ha ha kapir yg cemas krn tak disunat. pilih mana,analisa ngaco lewat foto atau opini dokter,ya jelas pilih apa kata dokter donk,jg dlm praktek lebih sehat dan lebih enak tuh. hasil check up menyeluruh minimal tiap thn rutin jg menunjukkan hasil yg menunjang,sehat-sehat aja tuh. justru kl tdk sunat,lbh beresiko kena kanker dan berbagai penyakit berbahaya spt aids dll.
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