My experience with Islam

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really ??

will check his thread ASAP ...
thank you O:)
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hello gilette O:)

nice to have you here ...

anyhow, saya coba bantu anda :

1. jika ada orang katakan pada anda bumi ini datar ... apa ada telan begitu saja ?
2. jika ada orang katakan pada anda nabi anda jahat ... apa anda telan begitu saja ??

kalau saya, saya gunakan akal saya, knowledge saya, saya cari kebenaran ... walau kadang itu pahit ...
mungkin saja saya salah ... mungkin saja mereka salah

tapi saya takkan percaya buta ...

saran saya ... bacalah dulu AlQuran, Waqidi, Tabaqat dan Bukhari ... kemudian datang kesini, buktikan kami salah ...
kalau anda bisa, anda bisa mualaf kan banyak kafirun ... pahala anda berlipat ganda ... O:)
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hahahaha ... sorry gilette ...

I think too high of you ...

anda hanyalah muslim abu-abu yang tak faham ajaran Islam dan hanya bicara tanpa fakta
silahkan junk di tempat lain, saya pakai thread ini untuk diskusi ...

anda makan mentah2 isi Alquran ?? hahhahaha ... termasuk di dalamnya segala kekacauan fakta, bahasa, dan lain sebagainya ??

semua orang **** tahu bahwa ajaran yang kacau kelak akan banyak yang tanyakan

tapi kalau memang ajaran tu benar ... anda pasti bisa pertahankan ... tapi anda tak bisa, hanya bisa protes ...

kembalilah ke SD ... forum ini untuk orang dewasa
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@gilette
Tdk ada yg istimewa dgn apa yg tertulis di buku quran ttg kafir / murtadin yg ingin menghancurkan islam. Tdk perlu manusia super utk menulis spt itu.
Apakah ada yg istimewa jika seorang pelaku / pemberi ajaran kejahatan mengatakan kpd pengikutnya bhw nanti polisi dan semua orang di luar gerombolannya akan berusaha memusuhi / menghancurkan mrk dan ajarannya. Itu adlh konsekuensi logis, bhw kejahatan akan berhadapan dgn penolakan dr masyarakat yg berakal sehat.
Sebaliknya, jika pelaku / pemberi ajaran kebaikan mengatakan pd pengikutnya bhw nanti mrk akan dimusuhi, itu br ga logis, dan bila hal itu benar2 terjadi barulah bisa dianggap istimewa ucapannya.
Jadi tdk ada yg istimewa dgn ucapan muhammad yg dicatat di buku quran tsb.
Jika islam dimusuhi / dihancurkan, itu adlh konsekwensi logis, bukan ramalan istimewa yg patut dipercaya.

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@ gilette

apa maksud sampiyan memenuhi halaman dengan emoticons
cuma menyakitkan mata saja

silakan berdiskusi dengan adab yang baik
berikan argumenmu dengan logis dan santun
bila lain dari itu, sebaiknya sampiyan minggir saja
membuat malu muslim lainnya yang tahu tatakrama
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hahahaha ....

don't take him too seriously, jameela ...
it is our duty to help muslims free from the evil cult of Islam

so we have to win their heart, and doing it best by not doing what they do to us O:)
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@ yaser

firstly, I will try to answer in bahasa ... and you can reply in bahasa ... I have to work my bahasa out ... O:)
secondly ... a spiritual experience is like eating food ... let's say RAWON (yes, I know rawon - black beef soup) ... I hope you know it, too
I know how rawon tasted ... and you know how rawon tasted ...

how about explaining the taste of rawon to englishman ?? your word will not be enough ... he had to taste it himself
so is with spiritual experience ... so I will try to explain in simplest words as possible and hope you have the courage to taste it by yourself
Then, How Did.. or How Would The "God / Tuhan" yang benar Showing 'Him' (-> Not Represent Male) Self..?
I Think The Most Suitable For That Is Through Religion..
pertanyaan ini juga muncul dahulu dalam diri saya ...

saya cuba jawab dalam 2 bagian
1. anda tahu personification ?? bagaimana kalau indonesian katakan pohon kelapa melambai ... apakah dia melambai ?? tangan saja tak punya ... demikian manusia meletakkan sifat manusia pada "God" kerana mereka cuba pahami "God" dengan otak yang terbatas. True Creator bukan pria dan bukan wanita ... tak ada gender ... tak pilih kasih, tak rasialis, dan tak ada keinginan untuk tunjuk diri ke manusia ... kenapa ? karena dalam tiap manusia ada percikan True Creator ... yaitu hati nurani ...

ya ... yang perlu dilakukan adalah gunakan hati nurani ... ini akan buat anda BERANI ... contoh : berani katakan bahwa Muhammad itu salah, dia bunuh orang tak berdosa ... instead of cari pembenaran ... anda berani bilang George Bush itu salah, anda berani akui itu dan tunjuk ke orang lain kebenaran

ingat ... True Creator beri kita otak sebagai alat pengenal pertama ... jadi True Creator tak bertentangan dengan logika
apa yang kejam adalah kejam

2. dalam society dimana semua penduduk sudah tertib, baik, faham mana benar mana salah ... apa masih perlu peraturan ?
sama dengan manusia, kalau sudah baik, sabar, penuh kasih ... sudah tak perlu lagi diajar "jangan mencuri, jangan kejam" ... rules is no longer necessary ...

agama itu penting sebagai dasar, seperti kindergarten (taman kanak-kanak) ... setelah anda faham, anda tak perlu berbaju lagi untuk cinta True Creator ... cinta tak kenal batas ... tak pandang agama, kulit, cantik / jelek ...

seperti anda di elementary school ... anda pelajari 1+1 = 2 ... now you held master degree ... apa perlu belajar 1+1=2 ??
tak perlu bukan ?? tapi apa pelajaran 1+1 = 2 tak penting ?? tentu penting ... sebagai dasar ... tanpa itu anda takkan faham persamaan differential and integral

selama manusia masih butuh petunjuk, akan ada orang-orang yang korbankan diri sebagai "pengingat" manusia akan percikan True Creator dalam diri mereka ... inilah nabi / orang suci ...

sayang sejarah tulis nasib mereka sering kurang baik ... hahahahaa

ini seperti anda yang faham peraturan tapi lihat teman dan saudara anda tak ikuti peraturan, lalu anda bangkit, jelaskan kebaikan pada mereka ...

Or..
D'you Think That God Doesn't Need To.. Or.. Doesn't Want To Do It..?
Doesn't God Must Be Known By Human Being, So That Human Could Be Good/Loving Also..?
ini karena anda "asumsi" Tuhan sebagai "mahluk" yang ada keinginan, pencipta yang di belakang layar ...

selama manusia ikut hati nurani, dia takkan kejam ... dia takkan jahat ... dia akan faham bahwa apa yang sakit bagi dirinya juga sakit bagi sesama nya ... inilah essence of Truth

semua perbuatan yang jahat makin jauhkan kita dari Kasih True Creator ...
semua perbuatan yang baik makin dekatkan kita ke Kasih True Creator ...

siapa makin dekat, makin lembut, makin sabar, makin senyum ...
makin jauh ... makin keras, makin kejam, makin marah ...

mudah bukan ??
Remember That We Human Have The Freedom Of Choice..
And Lot Of People Choose To Be Evil...
Is It Said That We're All Inside Are....
GOD....?
saya coba betulkan sedikit ... "it is said that deep down inside, we're all GOOD" ... not GOD
why ? because we have the spark of the True Creator deep within

sekali anda sadari ini, anda akan faham ... tak ada beda muslim dan kafir, christian dan hindus, jewish dan american, indians & africans ... semua adalah sama !!
lalu mana kebencian ?? padam bukan ??

anda akan lihat bahwa kesalahan harus dibetulkan, bukan ditutupi ... anda akan tolong dengan hati yang lembut, anda akan senyum paling manis

lalu kenapa banyak manusia jadi jahat ?? ... kerana ikut nafsu ... tak ikut hati nurani ...
hati nurani lembut, untuk dengarkan harus dalam ke tenangan dan ke damaian ...

hati yang masih bedakan kafir dan muslim, yang dimaki sudah angkat pedang takkan bisa dengar suara hati nurani ...

Or
, Is It GOD is LOVE....?
saya lebih nyaman bilang True Source = Asal Yang Sejati daripada "God" ... sekarang anda faham bukan ??

GOD is LOVE is GOD adalah gambaran salah satu yang dekat dengan "rasa yang benar" ... tapi anda harus rasakan sendiri rawon anda untuk faham ... nanti kalau sudah rasakan, rasanya jauh lebih dahsyat daripada LOVE ... tapi sudah ke unconditional love ... KASIH SEJATI tanpa batasan

saya beri bonus untuk anda, Yaser ...
anda tahu letak hati (non physical) dimana ??
"as the way you love me, O True Source
teach me to love you ..."
semoga beri anda pencerahan O:)
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hahahaha ....

saya baru sadar, bahwa saya belum pernah shahada FFI, jadi saya ikut shahada dulu, baru resmi

saya bluelotus bersaksi bahwa hanya ada True Creator, Asal Yang Sejati sebagai asal mula segalanya, sumber segala Kasih dan Cinta dan bukan allah islam yang kejam, sadis, racist, narcistic yang suka sesatkan manusia

dan saya bersaksi bahwa muhammad adalah manusia yang tersesat, yang tidak pantas disebut sebagai nabi, apalagi contoh umat manusia ... bahwa dia melakukan banyak hal kejam, biadab, sadis, tak pantas dan allah adalah ciptaan muhammad untuk membenarkan kekejaman dan tindakan biadab lain yang dia lakukan

semoga Kasih dari True Creator menyadarkan semua muslim akan kebohongan muhammad, memberikan keberanian sehingga mereka sanggup menyatakan yang benar adalah benar dan salah adalah salah, dan kembali kepada ke manusiaan


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@bluelotus

Syahada lulus sensor. Syahada diterima! Congratz!!! :partyman:
Resmi sudah sebagai member murtadin FFI. :green:
Sekali lagi, segenap FFI'ers mengucapkan selamat atas kemurtadan bro bluelotus.


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hahahahhaha ...

nobody asked me before ... until now ... after 122 posts ... !!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

thank you all O:)
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dear all

I will be offline starting tommorow until February 25th ... have some business meeting to do O:)
wish you all the best
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sukses ya... O:)
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GUT LAK MAI PREN. :partyman:
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Selamat Bung bluelotus, dengan syahada yang sudah terucap, sekarang Anda sah menjadi kapir!!!
HORRAY!!!! \:D/
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wish u all d best, too

c u around


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Slamet murtad @BlueLotus, moga bs jadi teladan Muslimers laennya yang masi pada dongo.
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@bluelotus

If Should You Back Tomorrow, I Have Question(s)...

As An Agnostic,
What Do You Think Of Lucifer/Iblis or Else, (Whatever They're Named)..?
Are They exist..?
What Are They..?
Things Like that...

I Hope No One Name It OOT Or Anything, Since You Seem's To Don't Mind Of Anythig I Asked..
Waiting for Your Opinion..

:turban:
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As An Agnostic,
What Do You Think Of Lucifer/Iblis or Else, (Whatever They're Named)..?
Are They exist..?
What Are They..?
Things Like that...

I Hope No One Name It OOT Or Anything, Since You Seem's To Don't Mind Of Anythig I Asked..
Waiting for Your Opinion..
Yaser, I never mind sharing what I know to all my friend, because I have no prejudice

I will explain this one in easiest way you'll understand

saya adalah orang yang tak mudah percaya, saya sceptical, dan sebelum saya rasa sendiri, saya takkan percaya

now, there are many beings created by True Creator, like human being, some are good and kind by nature, some are good and kind by experience, some are evil by nature and some are evil by experience

good and kind by nature : this creature is no longer possess low-classed emotion (anger, lust, jealousy), basically pure and usually represent themselves in pure brilliant light ... this what we called angels, spiritual Guru, guardian angels, etc
their light are the purest and the most beautiful, most peaceful

good and kind by experience : this creature is basically neutral, but they forge themselves, and found the pearls of wisdom within themselves : this kind of being is hard to find, as they usually found deep in their training of purifying themselves,
this creature, due to the nature of their training, have powers such as controlling weather, altering karma (in small ways)many humans falsely thinks this one as "deity" or God and usually worship them

evil by nature : creature born to be savages and evil ... this is like when we looked at lions eating deers ... bite their necks, crush their bones, killing ... so evil, so barbaric ... or is it ??
that's depend of your point of view, Yaser ...

many despise this kind of creature ... I am not ... I have no hatred, I am fully aware that their behaviour is due to their own stupidity ... they did not know what they're doing ... we should have pity for this kind of creature, instead of despise them
this what we usually called : evil spirit, etc


evil by experience ... have to be divided into two :
by option - clever creature, have powers, but choose to be evil ... perhaps lucifer are classed here

by lower emotions (hatred, desire of vengeance, etc) - creatures that experience intense lower emotions and trapped there ... ini setan gentayangan

now

1. YES, they are exist, and they are True Creator's creation ... so ??
2. they may be evil creature by choice or by lower emotions

like human being, some have knowledge, some are bad, some are evil, some are kind, some are polite, some are naughty, some are beautiful, some are ugly

realising this new facts, you will know that The True Creator is really Maha Besar, Maha Luar Biasa ...

PS : during my journey, I've met them all ... not Lucifer themselves, though it must be a very very powerful evil creature ...



now, single question from me

if The True Creator able to create a creature so pure, free from hatred, lust, anger, jealousy ... surely True Creator is the purest of them all ... the most radiant and beautiful ... then ...

how could it be allah swt ??? who is still full of hatred, lust, anger, jealousy and lower emotions like that ??
how could True Creator send someone so sadistic, so full of lust, anger like muhammad ??

you don't have to answer this to me ... just use your heart and you'll understand ... it's the true Guidance to True Source

wish you all the best, Yaser

nice to talk to you, and jangan sungkan tanya lagi :green:
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