Maaf, baro bisa balas pertanyaan rekan2 di FFI ... siang gue kerja jadi ga bisa buka internet ... manusia butuh kerja juga thoo....
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Mengenai penggunaan perumpamaan atau tidak hanya seng-su yang bisa menjelaskan ... mohon kiranya sdr. seng-su bisa menjelaskan maksud kalimatnya ...
apakah disini dia menggunakan Totum pro parte atau mendiskreditkan umat islam dengan menggunakan Pas pro toto atau Hiperbola atau Disfemisme atau ungkapan-ungkapan lainnya.
tapi perlu di ingat dalam tatakrama penggunaan perumpamaan ... Pas pro parte lebih cendrung di gunakan untuk yang bersifat positif, misalnya :
Indonesia sudah mampu berswasembada beras <---bagus dan positif
Padahal di beberapa daerah rakyak Indonesia masih ada yang kesulitan beras sampai ga bisa makan nasi.
atau
Setiap 17 Agustus rakyat indonesia merayakan kemerdekaannya. Apakah semuanya ? tidak thoo...
Jika Kita Tidak Mampu .....
sama thoo...non-muslimpun yang merasa sudah mayoritas udah siap dengan kekerasan jika merasa disudutkan ...borjuis wrote:
KEKERASAN?????????
KOK YG DINGOMONG CUMA UTK SUPAYA DAPAT MEMBUAT KATA2 YG MUDAH DIMENGERTI,LAH ANDA MALAH LARINYA KE KEKERASAN SIH,APAKAH SUDAH MEMANG SIFAT BEJADNYA MUSLIMNYA?
NB:supaya sekedar loe tau muslim didaerah gw adalah minoritas,jadi gw gak pernah takut ama seorang muslimpun,kalo mo ngomong kata kekerasan,apa muslim semua didaerah gw mo cari mati ya?
ingat bro....disini flores-ntt BUNG,bukan di jawa tau!
KATANYA MO DISKUSI,KOK ADA KATA "KEKERASAN" SEGALA,WAJARLAH KALO SETIAP PERDEBATAN ADA SEDIKIT BANYAK HAL YG GAK ENAK DIDENGAR,
KALO LOE CUMA MO DENGAR YG BAGUS2 DOANG MENDINGAN LOE DISKUSI KE USTAD LOE AJA,JANGAN KE FFI DEH......
apakah gue mau menghujat non-muslim juga, gak broo....emang udah sifat dasarnya manusia emosi itu susah di kontrol (berarti bukan sifat dasarnya Islam tapi sifat dasarnya manusia)
Mohon juga pakai logikanya, disini kita memakai kata "kekerasan" bukan untuk menggunakannya tapi membahasnya
awak baru disini, suerr ....Pengacaw wrote:Saya yakin si geo dot si komo ini netter lama yg nutupin kesombongannya dg nyamar sbg netter baru!
@ borjuis
pongga dia pati mata!
karena ada teman gue blogger bilang kalo kelompok atheis disini pintar2 pake logika ... ga tau juga kalo logika pembenaran ....sejauh ini yang gue lihat cuma logika pembenaran
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mungkin akan ditanggapin lagi sama FFI, emang memilih agama Islam dah pake logika ... biar ga nanya gue langsung jawab aja .... Memilih agama ga bisa pake logika tapi pake keyakinan ... kalo memang ga butuh keyakinan, ya terserah pribadi masing2
Re: buaaaahhh...tambah lagi neh
Logika pembenaran, yaaa....ancenku wrote:please dunk saudara gea .... rata-rata yang ngasih postingan di ffi adalah logika banget gitu loh. anda ngajak make logika ntar kalo logika anda kalah anda bilang semua itu g bisa dipahamin secara logika. yang mana yang benar neh prinsip yang mau anda pegang?
tolong ya saudaraku bukalah matamu ... lihat di TV gimana tindakan para "mujahid" terhadap orang yang katanya kafir dan itu semua dilakukan berdasarkan "kalimatullah" nya kalian dan ada bukti ayat yang digunakan mereka.
bertobatlah dari agamamu yang mengerikan itu ... masih panjang jalan hidupmu ... jangan kau sesatkan di bawah pemahaman seseorang yang katanya nulis aja g bisa, suka ngeseks lagi, tukang mimpi, paok lagi.
Jadi sebelum buat postingan touring dulu di kaskus ya.
Best Regards
ancenku
Jika Amerika (USA) menyerang Iraq ... tetap ada logikanya .... logika pembenaran
Israel menteror Rakyat Palestina dan juga sebaliknya ... tetap ada logikanya ...logika pembenaran
Apakah TV sudah meberitakan secara objektif, wong TV cuma ngejar rating...mana yang paling menarik minat penonton, opini apa yang bisa di dukung oleh penonton itulah yang ditayangkan...makanya kenapa sinetron yang notabene nya tidak mendidik tetap aja ditayangkan
Islam sesat menurut siapa, kalo menurut gue gak tuh ... malah atheis yang sesat ...
so, kembali ke keyakinan umat Islam dan untuk atheis kembali ke logika pembenarannya.
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islam sesat karena banyak ayat alqurannya tidak mampu dijawab dan ditafsir karena bersalahan. dan islam sesat karena melegalkan perampokan, berzinah dengan budak tawanan, membunuh, boleh mengawini anak-anak, bisa punya budak, poligami, surga yang menjanjikan perbuatan setan, dan masih banyak lagi yang kacau deh.
Kesalahan atheis FFI ...
Buat opini ----> cari data ----> bikin kesimpulan
Lo udah punya kesimpulan dulu baru cari data pendukung ...
tapi gue maklum ... pada saat Tugas akhir kuliahpun kita sering kayak gitu ... dah punya kesimpulan dulu baru cari data yang mendukung ....
Coba lebih objektif ....
Mungkin juga ga akan diterima, wong tujuannya mau menampilkan gambaran kejelekan Islam koq, bukan untuk mencari kebenaran
Piss
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Sesungguhnya orang-orang kafir, sama saja bagi mereka, kamu beri peringatan atau tidak kamu beri peringatan, mereka tidak akan beriman. (Al Baqarah [2]:6)
Buat opini ----> cari data ----> bikin kesimpulan
Lo udah punya kesimpulan dulu baru cari data pendukung ...
tapi gue maklum ... pada saat Tugas akhir kuliahpun kita sering kayak gitu ... dah punya kesimpulan dulu baru cari data yang mendukung ....
Coba lebih objektif ....
Mungkin juga ga akan diterima, wong tujuannya mau menampilkan gambaran kejelekan Islam koq, bukan untuk mencari kebenaran
Piss
:)
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Sesungguhnya orang-orang kafir, sama saja bagi mereka, kamu beri peringatan atau tidak kamu beri peringatan, mereka tidak akan beriman. (Al Baqarah [2]:6)
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bagaimana kalau kita bermain logika di dalam ayat alquran anda sendiri, bisakah anda memberikan logika yang bisa diterima akal? beranikah anda?geadotcom wrote:Kesalahan atheis FFI ...
Buat opini ----> cari data ----> bikin kesimpulan
Lo udah punya kesimpulan dulu baru cari data pendukung ...
tapi gue maklum ... pada saat Tugas akhir kuliahpun kita sering kayak gitu ... dah punya kesimpulan dulu baru cari data yang mendukung ....
Coba lebih objektif ....
Mungkin juga ga akan diterima, wong tujuannya mau menampilkan gambaran kejelekan Islam koq, bukan untuk mencari kebenaran
Piss
:)
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Sesungguhnya orang-orang kafir, sama saja bagi mereka, kamu beri peringatan atau tidak kamu beri peringatan, mereka tidak akan beriman. (Al Baqarah [2]:6)
Islam tidak mampu atau Anda yang tidak mampu memcari data yang benar ?berani_murtad wrote:islam sesat karena banyak ayat alqurannya tidak mampu dijawab dan ditafsir karena bersalahan. dan islam sesat karena melegalkan perampokan, berzinah dengan budak tawanan, membunuh, boleh mengawini anak-anak, bisa punya budak, poligami, surga yang menjanjikan perbuatan setan, dan masih banyak lagi yang kacau deh.
makanya FFI gue umpamakan kayak katak dalam tempurung ....
coba donk pake om Google untuk mencari ... masa musti gue ajarin lagi ...
tentang kekerasan dalam "Fitna" dah dikasih penjelasan yang gamblang oleh M Quraish Sihab berupa buku.
Tentang Nabi Muhammad SAW pedhofil sudah banyak betul penjelasan bahwa tentang umur Aisyah 9 th adalah bertentangan jika satu hadits di kaitkan dengan hadits yang lain, ada 9 bukti yang dipakai untuk mendukung hal tersebut.
Coba rekan FFI agak membuka mata di dunia maya .... atau emang sudah tertutup kayak Firman Allah SWT ini :
Dan perumpamaan (orang yang menyeru) orang-orang kafir adalah seperti penggembala yang memanggil binatang yang tidak mendengar selain panggilan dan seruan saja. Mereka tuli, bisu dan buta, maka (oleh sebab itu) mereka tidak mengerti. (Al Baqarah[2]:171)
Atau secara tidak langsung anda sudah membuktikan bahwa Firman Allah SWT ini benar adanya dengan buktinya anda2 sendiri
:)
piss
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Qs19:56geadotcom wrote: Sejauh yang bisa saya pahami akan saya jelaskan, tapi bukan berarti saya memahami keseluruhan isi dari Al Qur'an.
Silahkan ...
Dan ceritakanlah (hai Muhammad kepada mereka, kisah) Idris (yang tersebut) di dalam Al Qur'an. Sesungguhnya ia adalah seorang yang sangat membenarkan dan seorang nabi.
sekarang saya ingin menanyakan kepada umat islam, kisah nabi idris yang ada di dalam quran katanya. mohon tolong ditunjukkan kepada umat kafir, karena saya menuntut pertanggungjawaban quran yang mengatakan kisah idris yang harus diceritakan di dalam quran.
Pemahaman dari gue :berani_murtad wrote: Qs19:56
Dan ceritakanlah (hai Muhammad kepada mereka, kisah) Idris (yang tersebut) di dalam Al Qur'an. Sesungguhnya ia adalah seorang yang sangat membenarkan dan seorang nabi.
sekarang saya ingin menanyakan kepada umat islam, kisah nabi idris yang ada di dalam quran katanya. mohon tolong ditunjukkan kepada umat kafir, karena saya menuntut pertanggungjawaban quran yang mengatakan kisah idris yang harus diceritakan di dalam quran.
Allah SWT memerintahkan Nabi Muhammad SAW untuk menceritakan bahwa Nabi Idris AS adalah seseorang yang membenarkan (membenarkan apa ? saya pahami membuat/menuntun ke jalan yang benar) dan seorang nabi.
Perkataan Nabi Muhammad SAW dapat kita cari di Hadith walaupun tidak semua perkataan Nabi Muhammad SAW terangkum dalam Hadith.
Bukhari dan Muslim (Hadith #95 dan #96)
Perumpamaannya itu adalah seperti kalau km mencari suatu barang yg tertinggal dlm sebuah ruangan yg hampir kosong. Mula2 kamu mengambil pelita yg tidak terlalu terang dan km tidak mampu menemukannya namun setelah tiba siang hari dan kamu membuka jendela , dan ruangan menjadi terang benderang dan masih tidak mampu menemukannya , berarti barang itu tidak ada bukan kamunya yg buta sehingga tidak bisa melihat.karena kamu tahu bahwa kamu tidak buta buktinya kamu bisa melihat, kamu bisa lulus sekolah , kamu bisa bekerja.
Perumpamaannya itu adalah seperti kalau km mencari suatu barang yg tertinggal dlm sebuah ruangan yg hampir kosong. Mula2 kamu mengambil pelita yg tidak terlalu terang dan km tidak mampu menemukannya namun setelah tiba siang hari dan kamu membuka jendela , dan ruangan menjadi terang benderang dan masih tidak mampu menemukannya , berarti barang itu tidak ada bukan kamunya yg buta sehingga tidak bisa melihat.karena kamu tahu bahwa kamu tidak buta buktinya kamu bisa melihat, kamu bisa lulus sekolah , kamu bisa bekerja.
Apakah Nabi Idris AS orang yang membenarkan ? jika Beliau tidak benar tidak akan masuk syurga.
Apakah Beliau seorang nabi ? Nabi Muhammad SAW sendiri ikut menyatakan demiakian
Coba pahami Ayat tersebut (bukan Hadith) yang di suruh Allah SWT kepada Nabi Muhammad SAW menceritakan kisah hidup Nabi Idris AS atau cuma 2 point aja (Nabi Idris AS membenarkan dan seorang nabi).
Nabi Muhammad SAW sudah memenuhi perintah Allah SWT seperti yang tercatat dalam Hadith
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saya meminta pertanggungjwban yang ada di alquran, bukan dihadis. karena alquran mengatakan kisah yang ada di alquran bukan hadis. tolong, kalau anda juga tidak bisa menjawab lebih baik jujur. ini masih satu point! saya belum beranjak le point yang lain.geadotcom wrote:Maaf, hadith nya saya salah mengkopi ...
Mohon kesabarannya ... saya kopikan dulu
Berhubung hadith bahasa Indonesianya tidak bisa saya copy, saya menampilkan dalam bahasa Inggris saja ...moga bisa paham semua bahasa Inggris
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 345:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.'
Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. Anas said: "Abu Dhar added that the Prophet met Adam, Idris, Moses, Jesus and Abraham, he (Abu Dhar) did not mention on which heaven they were but he mentioned that he (the Prophet ) met Adarn on the nearest heaven and Abraham on the sixth heaven. Anas said, "When Gabriel along with the Prophet passed by Idris, the latter said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus.
Then I passed by Abraham and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Abraham. The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundry) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."
Volume 1 : Book 8 : Hadith 345 :
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Narrated by Abu Dhar:
Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.'
Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. Anas said: "Abu Dhar added that the Prophet met Adam, Idris, Moses, Jesus and Abraham, he (Abu Dhar) did not mention on which heaven they were but he mentioned that he (the Prophet ) met Adarn on the nearest heaven and Abraham on the sixth heaven. Anas said, "When Gabriel along with the Prophet passed by Idris, the latter said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus.
Then I passed by Abraham and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Abraham. The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundry) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."
Volume 5 : Book 58 : Hadith 227 :
......The gate was opened, and when I went over the fourth heaven, there I saw Idris. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Idris; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fifth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked. 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is! So when I went over the fifth heaven, there I saw Harun (i.e. Aaron), Gabriel said, (to me). This is Aaron; pay him your greetings.' I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the sixth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked. 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. It was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!'
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mungkin tidak perlu semuanya, karena yang ini pun belum tentu dibaca .... saya cuma menyodorkan bukti bahwa Nabi Muhammad SAW telah menceritakan tentang "nabi Idris AS memenarkan (membawa ke jalam yang benar)" dan seorang nabi
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 345:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.'
Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. Anas said: "Abu Dhar added that the Prophet met Adam, Idris, Moses, Jesus and Abraham, he (Abu Dhar) did not mention on which heaven they were but he mentioned that he (the Prophet ) met Adarn on the nearest heaven and Abraham on the sixth heaven. Anas said, "When Gabriel along with the Prophet passed by Idris, the latter said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus.
Then I passed by Abraham and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Abraham. The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundry) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."
Volume 1 : Book 8 : Hadith 345 :
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Narrated by Abu Dhar:
Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.'
Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. Anas said: "Abu Dhar added that the Prophet met Adam, Idris, Moses, Jesus and Abraham, he (Abu Dhar) did not mention on which heaven they were but he mentioned that he (the Prophet ) met Adarn on the nearest heaven and Abraham on the sixth heaven. Anas said, "When Gabriel along with the Prophet passed by Idris, the latter said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus.
Then I passed by Abraham and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Abraham. The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundry) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."
Volume 5 : Book 58 : Hadith 227 :
......The gate was opened, and when I went over the fourth heaven, there I saw Idris. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Idris; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fifth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked. 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is! So when I went over the fifth heaven, there I saw Harun (i.e. Aaron), Gabriel said, (to me). This is Aaron; pay him your greetings.' I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the sixth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked. 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. It was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!'
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mungkin tidak perlu semuanya, karena yang ini pun belum tentu dibaca .... saya cuma menyodorkan bukti bahwa Nabi Muhammad SAW telah menceritakan tentang "nabi Idris AS memenarkan (membawa ke jalam yang benar)" dan seorang nabi
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Apakah pemahanman anda ayatberani_murtad wrote: saya meminta pertanggungjwban yang ada di alquran, bukan dihadis. karena alquran mengatakan kisah yang ada di alquran bukan hadis. tolong, kalau anda juga tidak bisa menjawab lebih baik jujur. ini masih satu point! saya belum beranjak le point yang lain.
Qs19:56
Dan ceritakanlah (hai Muhammad kepada mereka, kisah) Idris (yang tersebut) di dalam Al Qur'an. Sesungguhnya ia adalah seorang yang sangat membenarkan dan seorang nabi.
Saya urutkan satu2 ...
Dan ceritakanlah (hai Muhammad ... <---- Allah SWT menyuruh Nabi Muhammad SAW menceritakan, bukan Al Qur'an atau Allah SWT yang menceritakan. Jika Allah SWT yang menceritakan ... maka Allah akan bercerita dalam Al Qur'an ....
Jadi penekanannya Nabi Muhammad SAW yang di suruh menceritakan bukan Allah SWT yang bercerita .... Jelas ?
Kalo Nabi Muhammad SAW yang bercerita ... berarti kita cari di dalam HAdith
Qs19:56
Dan ceritakanlah (hai Muhammad kepada mereka, kisah) Idris (yang tersebut) di dalam Al Qur'an. Sesungguhnya ia adalah seorang yang sangat membenarkan dan seorang nabi.
Kerancuan yang lo pahami mungkin didalam yg di garis bawahi ....
kisah idris yang tersebut dalam Al Qur'an atau
idris yang tersebut dalam Al Qur'an
yang mana pemahaman loe ?
Nabi Idris AS cuma tersebut namanya dalam Al Qur'an dan Nabi Muhammad SAW yang menceritakan kisahnya ....
Dan ceritakanlah (hai Muhammad kepada mereka, kisah) Idris (yang tersebut) di dalam Al Qur'an. Sesungguhnya ia adalah seorang yang sangat membenarkan dan seorang nabi.
Kerancuan yang lo pahami mungkin didalam yg di garis bawahi ....
kisah idris yang tersebut dalam Al Qur'an atau
idris yang tersebut dalam Al Qur'an
yang mana pemahaman loe ?
Nabi Idris AS cuma tersebut namanya dalam Al Qur'an dan Nabi Muhammad SAW yang menceritakan kisahnya ....
