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My experience with Islam

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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby abubakar » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:04 am

RC = Resource Center. Baca tentang Jihad.
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby Apabetullll » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:23 am

abubakar wrote:RC = Resource Center. Baca tentang Jihad.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: preetttt ini link aslinya
jihad-97-perang-3-perjuangan-batin-270-juta-kafir-tewas-t12299/
kemudian di dalamnya di tambah ini
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pag ... -of-jihad/
ngga ada tuh menyebutkan Tahun2 terjadinya
langsung total aja, ini sih mau enaknya kayak ente tinggal lihat di RC bla bla bla ntar dah ketemu ini lihat dimana lagi DUL
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby abubakar » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:32 am

Coba kau masuk kesini sejarah-invasi-jihad.html. Dan ini juga akar-terorisme-islam-t33242/
Mudah2an mata hatimu terbuka, karena penegetahuan seperti ini tidak pernah diajarkan disekolah2 negara mayoritas muslim.
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby INSOMNIA » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:59 am

@apabetulll
Sejarah pembantaian sebagian sudah ada tertulis di Al-koran mu sendiri, mas tom aja tau, masa kamu yg muslim ndak tau. itu tuh akibat suka keseringan blaga beg0 makanya skrng jd beg0 beneran :goodman:
skrng tinggal buka link RC yg udah dikasih abubakar dan jgn lupa bawa kalkulatornya ya...kamu itung saja sendiri, setelah itu baca RC http://indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/terorisme-islam-berita-internasional.htmldan dijumlahkan lagi dgn kalkulatormu.
Selamat berhitung.... :green:

oh iya...jgn ketinggalan berita dunia lhoo....muslimz selalu bkin heboh hampir diseluruh penjuru dunia.
ndak percaya ? ya udah nih baca
http://indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/islam-muslim-gambar-berita-internasional.html


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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby slowrock » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:08 am

@bluelotus : saya senang mendengar cerita anda. islam membuat negara ini terlihat buruk. agama nenek moyang indonesia awalnya adalah hindu dan budda tapi kerajaan2 lama hancur karena dirusak kyai2 islam jaman dulu.
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:48 am

only for TS (hanya untuk TS) :

Gratz for having choosen the right path!

Tanpa bermaksud untuk promosi kepercayaan dan juga bukan ingin menggurui, saya hanya mengatakan ini karena saya menganggap bahwa sekarang anda menyembah Tuhan yang sama dengan Tuhan yang saya sembah (maaf jika anggapan saya salah, diabaikan saja bagian berikut:)

Saya yakin dengan mengetahui kebenaran saja tidaklah cukup, itu hanyalah awal untuk mencapai kebenaran itu sendiri...Saya, kamu dan yang lain harus mengetahui lebih jauh kenapa kita harus bersyukur atas karya penebusan dosa itu...ada baiknya mulai membaca buku-buku tentang peperangan rohani. Dari sana anda akan mendapat pengetahuan yang lebih dalam mengenai Tuhan yang kita sembah saat ini, mengapa "Yesus" menjadi nama yang sangat istimewa dan besar kuasanya, apa arti pengorbanan darah-Nya di kayu salib dan mengapa itu harus terjadi, apa hubungan-Nya dengan kerajaan Iblis di dunia ini, mengapa ada "agama tandingan" tapi tetap mengakui keberadaan Yesus sebagai pribadi tanpa cela di dalamnya, mengapa nama Yesus (atas dasar iman) dapat digunakan untuk mengusir roh jahat bahkan dapat menguji apakah suatu roh itu adalah roh yang dari Allah atau roh penyamar, dan banyak lagi.

Tapi berhati-hatilah, karena semakin banyak yang kamu ketahui, semakin banyak pula cobaan yang datang, bahkan mungkin sang Iblis sendiri yang akan turun tangan. Tapi kamu bisa memilih untuk mencari tau lebih jauh ataupun mengabaikannya, itu semua hanya pilihan. Pada akhirnya tetap semuanya juga akan dibukakan. ableh
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saya jawab satu per satu

@ ableh

terima kasih atas suggestion nya, however ...
seperti kata sufi muslim, Rabiah

"Cintaku pada Sang Pencipta begitu penuh dalam hati ku, sampai tak sisakan tempat untuk benci, sekalipun pada iblis"

inilah saya ... saya tak benci pada iblis, tak benci pada setan, semuanya ciptaan Dia yang saya amat cintai
saya tak benci Muhammad, apalagi muslim ...
tapi sesuatu yang salah harus dibantu di tegak kan

saya tak mau bahas tentang Christian, tapi saya pernah jadi Christian, bahkan yang zealot (fanatic), untuk faham apa fikiran mereka, jadi saya cukup faham mengenai ajaran dan doctrine Christian

saya tahu Jesus is a Great Man ... but I refuse to accept him as "Tuhan" ... tak butuh pengetahuan banyak untuk paham bahwa ajaran Jesus jauh lebih baik dari Muhammad ...

I choose to call Jesus as many called him before, as "Guru" or "Master" O:)
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:00 am

betullll kah coba di urai kan dong tahun nya


seperti inikah ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_massacre

coba baca korbannya ... ini atas nama Islam dan MILLIONS were killed brutally ...

contoh Vasco da Gama : tentang uang dan bersaingan dagang, bukan agama

raja Egica ... hebat !! dia tiru Muhammad luar biasa ... apakah dia muslim sejati ??

sahabat ...

buka lah mata hati mu ... semua kekejaman harus dihapus kan ... semua kekejian harus dihilangkan
semua yang salah harus di nyata kan salah, yang benar ditegakkan ...

pembantaian itu kejam, salah,
Muhammad membantai Bani Qoraiza itu salah, akui itu
Allah itu kejam, dia menyetujui manusia tak berdosa dibantai ... akui itu
atau Muhammad me palsu kan Allah ?

butuh keberanian untuk bangkit dan mengatakan salah ... jauh lebih dari keberanian untuk membela yang salah

"to admit someone is right is much more difficult than to admit our own mistakes"
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby MasTom » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:12 pm

hi bro bluelotus, i want to learn to write in english. i know i should grind my pen otherwise it will be rusty. just as you said before - write and wite. so, please don't make a horse grin on me.

bluelotus wrote:saya tahu Jesus is a Great Man ... but I refuse to accept him as "Tuhan" ... tak butuh pengetahuan banyak untuk paham bahwa ajaran Jesus jauh lebih baik dari Muhammad ...

I choose to call Jesus as many called him before, as "Guru" or "Master" O:)


i think every body can be a good man
but i know that by myself i cannot be good at all
i only good in according to my opinion

eventhough i pray "lord give me my daily bread"
but i know the resource is limited and people who of need is soaring
and that i have to fight for my family bread, and others lose it

i am not just a firefly flashing it's light once in a time and gone
i am dreaming a place after time has passing by
and i believe there will be a time after where i should stand before a trial
and i need to be counted as perfect by the most high, his honor judge

poor me, a man of weakness and dumbness
can i pass that trial
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:21 pm

i think every body can be a good man
but i know that by myself i cannot be good at all
i only good in according to my opinion


lucu, saya jawab pakai bahasa ya ... O:)
intinya semua orang itu pada dasarnya ber hati baik
kalau lah kebaikan ini disemai dan disiram, tanpa agama pun orang akan jadi baik ...
tapi ada kala nya banyak yang lupa ... karena itu banyak nabi yang ingat kan jalan kebaikan
semua orang baik ... tapi tak ada yang sempurna ...

eventhough i pray "lord give me my daily bread"
but i know the resource is limited and people who of need is soaring
and that i have to fight for my family bread, and others lose it


there are simply too many of us, right ?? hahahaha
saya baca di artikel, bumi ini idealnya hanya punya maksimal 500,000,000 manusia ... O:)


i am not just a firefly flashing it's light once in a time and gone
i am dreaming a place after time has passing by
and i believe there will be a time after where i should stand before a trial
and i need to be counted as perfect by the most high, his honor judge


bagus, kalau sadar
gunakan waktu berbuat ke baik an ... bagilah senyum dan sadar kepada semua teman
bagikan kasih ke semua mahluk
sadar kan yang tidur

tingkat kan kesadaran mu, dan sadari The Creator, The True Source (CMIIW = Asal Yang Sejati)
begitu me rasa kan, semua rasa takut hilang ...
takut neraka
takut hukuman
ingin surga

semuanya hilang

yang ada hanya Kasih ... (unconditional love)

poor me, a man of weakness and dumbness
can i pass that trial


there's no such trial, according to my belief & experience ...
dari keyakinan dan pengalaman saya, tidak ada peng adil an seperti itu ...
Asal Yang Sejati amat indah, amat adil ... yang anda tanam itu yang anda petik ...

ayo, maju .... lupakan surga dan neraka ...
mari kita mulai mencinta ... mengasihi Asal Yang Sejati ... :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby prabusiliwangi » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:13 pm

Helllo bluelotus, welcome to sanity.... You have done the right thing to follow your conscience and logic. We don't need any religion with some child like teaching to make us a real human that love others. We don't need heaven and we don't fear hell, that is only men of a dead logical ability would believe. I myself believe that the Divine Intelligence (we call it God) is within us, we have to find Him within and then we will find Him everywhere, by using the microscope of intelligence and logical power in the laboratory of our mind. It is nice to read your story...
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby Apabetullll » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:58 am

bluelotus wrote:seperti inikah ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_massacre

coba baca korbannya ... ini atas nama Islam dan MILLIONS were killed brutally ...

contoh Vasco da Gama : tentang uang dan bersaingan dagang, bukan agama

raja Egica ... hebat !! dia tiru Muhammad luar biasa ... apakah dia muslim sejati ??

sahabat ...

buka lah mata hati mu ... semua kekejaman harus dihapus kan ... semua kekejian harus dihilangkan
semua yang salah harus di nyata kan salah, yang benar ditegakkan ...

pembantaian itu kejam, salah,
Muhammad membantai Bani Qoraiza itu salah, akui itu
Allah itu kejam, dia menyetujui manusia tak berdosa dibantai ... akui itu
atau Muhammad me palsu kan Allah ?

butuh keberanian untuk bangkit dan mengatakan salah ... jauh lebih dari keberanian untuk membela yang salah

"to admit someone is right is much more difficult than to admit our own mistakes"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ente juga lupa itu juga murni masalah politik, karena turki beranggapan penduduk armenia terlalu pro rusia. ini murni masalah kenegaraan.
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:35 am

hahahahhaaaaa

apabetull ... you're really funny ...

why CHRISTIAN ARMENIAN, then ... ??

and you say it was political ?? how about about Palestina and how kafir treat Palestinian ?? religion related or political / geographical related ??

check you reference in google with
"Coptic Christian Massacre in Egypt"
"Nigerian Christian Massacre"
"Bahais massacre"

don't you read that Malaysian protested about the use of the word Allah ?? - this is purely religion matter - how they burned down churches ?? ... it is HOW ISLAM TREAT OTHER RELIGION ... and even justified in AlQuran ... WAKE UP !!
what do you think ??

really want to hear your justification :green:

and wish you a good day, my sweet fella :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:59 pm

prabusiliwangi wrote:Helllo bluelotus, welcome to sanity.... You have done the right thing to follow your conscience and logic. We don't need any religion with some child like teaching to make us a real human that love others. We don't need heaven and we don't fear hell, that is only men of a dead logical ability would believe. I myself believe that the Divine Intelligence (we call it God) is within us, we have to find Him within and then we will find Him everywhere, by using the microscope of intelligence and logical power in the laboratory of our mind. It is nice to read your story...


thank you, prabusiliwangi ...

and I also wish you luck on your spiritual journey

may all living being happy :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby robint » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:02 pm

nobody perfect , thats what people always says, anyway God is perfect... and i want to do a good things to other not because I believe in heaven and hell, and neither I want to go to heaven and avoid hell.

its simply because I am loved by Him, coz he is love, so then I have to pay it forward to other humans beings.

however how do I understand the meaning of love, if not from God himself,if he is not the one being my example of life, and how can I follow him, if I cannot see Him with eyes? IF he is love, we had to see Him to understand him. Love is not just a words. its a words that need real actions.......

that why we debating moslems here, bcs how came they believe that God is love, if he is brutal,pervert, and lead his creature astray

if brethrens here can understand it, then there shall not be any religion exist. Cos its really not necessary....
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:51 am

nobody perfect , thats what people always says, anyway God is perfect... and i want to do a good things to other not because I believe in heaven and hell, and neither I want to go to heaven and avoid hell.


My friend ... I did not believe in GOD ... O:)
God is a being ... therefore we have Goddess ...
the True Creator is far excel "God" ... our simple brains are unable to fathom the True Creator ...
we have to use our Heart ...
yet The True Source (Asal yang Sejati) is the source of love ... in no way True Source have negative emotions ... like hatred, murderous, narcisstics ... these were human emotions put together and glued to form "God" or in this case "Allah"

its simply because I am loved by Him, coz he is love, so then I have to pay it forward to other humans beings.


this is a good one ... however you still have to expand your awareness and consciusness ...

think about what I wrote below

you don't have to pay it forward to other human being ... because it's FREE ... and it is an honor to be able to channel True Source's Love towards ALL (not just human being) ... and we should never stop be thankful for all the chances to share this wonderful love to all

however how do I understand the meaning of love, if not from God himself,if he is not the one being my example of life, and how can I follow him, if I cannot see Him with eyes? IF he is love, we had to see Him to understand him. Love is not just a words. its a words that need real actions.......


I hope all muslims read this and realize that LOVE is without boundaries ... and True Source never made classification of human being as Muslim and Kafir ... whence the muslim held higher degree ...

PS : True Source had no gender ... so "Him" or "Her" is improper

that why we debating moslems here, bcs how came they believe that God is love, if he is brutal,pervert, and lead his creature astray


No, my friend ... the real problem is muslims worship the false god ... the projection of Muhammad's alter ego ... you may see for some, that God depicted by Jesus is not the same with God depicted by Muhammad ... how come both of them are the same, then ??

let's say that God depicted by Jesus is his alter ego and God depicted by Muhammad is his alter ego
simply by looking at their depiction we can see the real man behind it ... how they really are ...

if brethrens here can understand it, then there shall not be any religion exist. Cos its really not necessary....

I disagree with you here, my friend ...

religions are necessary ... it is the lowest step toward real awakening ...
for me it's like kindergarten, when we're educated about demon in power plugs ... knife that can bite (so we did not toy with it) ...
but after we grow older and wiser ... it's time to move to elementary school, where we learn about pressure point and cutting power of knife, how electricity can harm you ...
later on we move forward and found the real Truth ... but we should not dwell in kindergarten forever

I learnt about simple mathematics 1 + 1 = 2 in kindergarten
now I held master degree ... and I never thought that my education in kindergarten as useless, unnecessary ... it is necessary .. in its time ...

I hope I shed you a new light ... :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby poligami » Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:06 pm

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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby MasTom » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:54 am

@ poligami

agnostics are clever and smart
most of them are well known scientists, say albert einstein
they could imagine, define, and formulate something beyond their nerves
surely, they could give anything searching the meaning of their life
as they did in their works

life is a battlefield of ideas,
hoping they won't give up in searching "The Most Highest"
for they brain are limited and cannot perceiveing Him The Most Highest

http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/Einstein-on-a-Personal-God.htm
5. Albert Einstein: Idea of a Personal God is Childlike

I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2
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8. Albert Einstein: Morality Concerns Humanity, Not Gods

I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.




@ bluelotus, please don't make a horsegrin on my english
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby poligami » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:29 am

MasTom wrote:@ poligami

agnostics are clever and smart
most of them are well known scientists, say albert einstein
they could imagine, define, and formulate something beyond their nerves
surely, they could give anything searching the meaning of their life
as they did in their works

life is a battlefield of ideas,
hoping they won't give up in searching "The Most Highest"
for they brain are limited and cannot perceiveing Him The Most Highest

Betul
Saya sama sekali tidak bermaksud merendahkan agnostisme. O:)
Saya juga suka dgn ucapan Enstein yg "dia ingin tahu pikiran Tuhan". O:)


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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:42 am

agnostics are clever and smart
most of them are well known scientists, say albert einstein
they could imagine, define, and formulate something beyond their nerves
surely, they could give anything searching the meaning of their life
as they did in their works


saya sebenarnya tak tahu harus panggil diri saya apa ... so far agnostic is the closest ...

dan don't get me wrong ... I perfectly know who/what I am looking for ... knowledge is the first step towards the real awakening ...

pardon my words, as I have no intention to be arrogant
this Truth is the same truth Jesus, Khrisna, and many others had seen ...

you may say that I'm at the beginning of seeing the Real Truth ... I barely scratch at the surface ... yet I am now without fear ... without anger ... absolutely happy ...

and since this smile comes from within, nobody and nothing could rob it from me ...
and even though I share it with countless beings ...

I have a very beautiful poem I wrote whilst I found this Truth ... it may help you understand me better
a very good friend already translate this to Indonesian ... the title is The Cup

Sang Cangkir

Suatu malam aku bermimpi
Aku melihat banyak sekali cangkir
Beribu-ribu, berjuta-juta..
Tiap cangkir bertumpuk-tumpuk diatas lainnya
Besar...tinggi sekali tumpukannya

Sebuah nama tertulis pada tiap-tiap cangkir.
Tiap-tiap nama tergurat dengan indah pada sisinya...

Tiba-tiba... kulihat sebuah cangkir ditengah-tengah tumpukan itu.
Yang bertuliskan namaku...

Dan kulihat kasih Tuhan mengalir seperti
sungai...memenuhi cangkirku.

Ada yang langsung dari atas ada pula yang
mengalir kepadaku melalui cangkir-cangkir diatasku.

Perlahan-lahan cangkirku mulai terisi dengan Kasih
Mula-mula terisi sedikit ... setengah, dan lalu menjadi penuh

Ahhh !! betapa nikmat kasihNya...

Kuingin menyimpannya, menjadi milikku selamanya
Tiba-tiba ...kusadari....cangkirku mulai penuh
mulai menumpahkan isinya

Aku sangat kecewa ...marah...sedih...
aku merasa kurang... haus yang seakan tak terpuaskan

Aku ingin semua kasih yang datang padaku menjadi milikku
hanya padaku...

Lalu tanpa sadar aku melihat...kasih yang tertumpah dariku..

Ternyata tidak lenyap, hilang begitu saja
Jutaan cangkir dibawahku menerimaNya, menampungNya...

Sama seperti sebagian kasih yang datang untukku.
Dari cangkir-cangkir lain...jutaan cangkir lain diatasku.

Aku heran, bingung.. semua terasa begitu samar,
mengherankan...tak jelas...

Sampai kulihat sebuah cangkir diatasku.
Cangkir yang sudah usang, tua, bahkan berlubang..

Bahkan nama yang terguratpun sudah tidak terbaca lagi..

Tapi sesuatu yang aneh terpancar darinya..sesuatu yang tak kupahami..

Aku terkejut !!
Aku menjadi sadar...

Dengan segala kekuranganku, tak mungkin seluruh kasih itu kumiliki

Aku menjadi sadar...
Semuanya tiada artinya lagi

Maka...Kulubangi pula dasar cangkirku.
Dengan puas kupandangi Kasih yang mengalir untukku
tidak pernah memenuhi cangkirku.

Semua ... semuanya mengalir melalui cangkirku.
Langsung pada jutaan cangkir lain dibawahku
tidak setetespun kutumpahkan

Aneh...aku merasakan puas.., bahagia.. ringan..

Tiba-tiba kusadari pula hal aneh lainnya...aneh...

Aliran Kasih dari atas kepadaku semakin deras ... dahsyat

Tidak mungkin sebuah lubang kecil pada cangkirku sanggup mengalirkan semuanya
Pasti akan ada yang tertumpah keluar

Maka ...

Kuperbesar lubang pada cangkirku
untuk mengalirkan semua Kasih yang datang padaku..

Aneh, Kasih yang datang malah semakin deras ...kencang...dahsyat!!

Sehingga lubang yang dulu tidak memadai lagi

Maka

Kubuat lebih banyak lubang besar pada cangkirku..

Tetapi Kasih yang datang terus mendahsyat, semakin deras, membanjir

Sehingga akhirnya cangkirku pecah

Kuperhatikan ia pecah hancur menjadi debu tanah
...Yang kemudian lenyap tersapu sang angin..

Sehingga

Semua aliran Kasih yang tadinya melalui aku langsung mengalir,
membanjiri jutaan cangkir dibawahku

Sedangkan aku ... Aku

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Ha ha ha.haaaaa ...

Aku ternyata tidak mati hancur...hilang..lenyap.

Aku bukanlah cangkir itu

Akulah ruang kosong kekosongan ditengahnya ...

Yang memungkinkannya untuk diisi dan mengisi

Akulah Cahaya Kasih itu ... menyatu denganNya

Semuanya menjadi jelas bagiku.

Tiada lagi misteri...

Semuanya adalah Aku... Hanya Aku... Akulah kekosongan sejati

Dan Aku ... entah siapa Aku .... tak peduli

...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh ...
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby poligami » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:40 pm

@atas
Jadi ingat tritnya bro "Kafiru euy"..
http://indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/renungan-hari-ini-t35440/


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