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My experience with Islam

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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby saia » Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:54 pm

@bluelotus

Hi, can i ask u some question??

dari awal saia membaca sampai akhir, bisakah saia menilai bahwa anda ini menganut kepercayaan Buddhist??

according to this

may all living being happy


and all about The Awakening One ....An Enlighten One ....??

no offense, just curious buddy :green:

anyhow, congratz to you for leave sick religion ...
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:46 pm

nope, I am not a buddhist ... :green:

just love to quote from many masters ... :green:

as I said before, I love without religions :green:



anyhow, you need to know that at some point, the Truth Seeker will found the same Truth ...

kerana itu jangan hairan kalau kata-kata mereka mirip ...

hahahahhahaa


learning about spirituality is like learn to fly

at first you cannot fly ...
thus all the houses are different ... different windows, doors, panels, colors,
sooo many differences

later on you can hover
you began to see similiarities ...
all houses have red roof tiles
difference becoming less important, similiarities are abundant

now you can fly high ...
differences is very hard to see
everything looked the same, you can no longer differentiate ...

and who knows how high you can fly tommorow

Kasih True Source Maha Indah ... :green:

may you find the Truth :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby saia » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:35 pm

@bluelotus
Noted : I'm not a buddhist too, but i know some of them

[i]"Yesadam sambodhiyañgesu Sammâ cittam subhâvitam Âdânapatinisagge anupâdâyâ
ye ratâ Khinâvasa jutimanto Te loke parinibbutâ. "

"Barangsiapa telah melatih pikirannya dengan baik dalam faktor faktor Pencerahan ,
tidak melekat dalam keterlepasan ; mereka inilah orang suci (Arahanta) , yang
bersinar terang , yang telah mencapai kepadaman Mutlak dalam dunia ini juga."
[/i]

You'll see what difference between moslem and buddhist :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:08 am

well, you're always welcome, saia :green:

never worry, I am fully aware what Islam is ...

but I am not in line with you that muslims are different from buddhists ...

muslims, buddhists, christians, atheists, polytheists, or whatever you called it - are basically the same
they are HUMAN BEING ...

I see no difference between my fellow muslims and my fellow buddhist apart from what they believe in
many are kind and nice person, and some are zealots ...

it is the teaching of hatred from Koran that I am fighting for ... not the muslims ... in fact, they are the first victim of Koran ... :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby yaser » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:03 am

Wow.. (again) :)

Btw, With All Of Those Of Your Experience, How Old Are You..?
It Would Take A Lifetime For Anyone To Know That Much..

Hehehe.. You're Not Suppose To Answer If You Mind :turban:

I Mostly Agree With You..
But Lets Not Talk About Allah Now, Is It Okay..?
I Want To Know More About You And The Way You Feel/Think/Love...

Then..

What About This..
One True Creator And Source Of Everything Have Once Created Good And Evil..
One True Creator And Source Of Everything Have Once Created Human, A Creature Who Can Be Good Or Evil ( What I'm Trying To Say Is That We - Human - are Filled With The Basic Of 'Whatever It Need' To Be Good, Or To Be Evil )..
One True Creator And Source Of Everything Also Put A Huge Responsibility For This World And Universe.. ( Do You Agree..? )

What Would A Creator Do For Human Whose Freedom Of Choice..
Let Them Be....
Guide Them....
Test Them....
Or...?

Does Creator Create Human And Universe, And Then Sit Back And Watch..? ( Sorry For The Bad Choice :P )

What Would A Creator Do To Good People...?
And..
What Would A Creator Do To Evil People..?

:turban:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:10 pm

Btw, With All Of Those Of Your Experience, How Old Are You..?
It Would Take A Lifetime For Anyone To Know That Much..


Jalaludin Rumi once said

"I was once mineral
then I was reborn into plant and died
then I was reborn as animals and died
now I was born as human being ...

I will die
and then reborn to be an angel
and then, also ... I will die once more
reborn, and become one that you cannot even imagine"

You got it right, my friend
I do not know about your belief ... but this experience I've got is from countless lifetimes, not just books ...
I am quite young in this life, slightly below 40 ... but with lots and lots of white hairs ... hahahahha
this is my answer, and I do not expect you to believe it ... :green:

I Mostly Agree With You..
But Lets Not Talk About Allah Now, Is It Okay..?
I Want To Know More About You And The Way You Feel/Think/Love...


If a bird sang its song as praise for the True Source, it does not matter whether there will be someone who will hear it's song or not
I am here to sing, dance and celebrate the life and all of its bounties, sorrows, pains, and everything given by True Source ...

if you'd like to dance with me ... welcome, my friend ...
If not ... it's OK ... I danced for the One I Loved :green:

and you asked a very deep question here, my friend ...
and I am not at freedom to divulge everything to you just now ... perhaps a little hint for you to help you understand better
ask away, and I'll help you to understand better

What About This..
One True Creator And Source Of Everything Have Once Created Good And Evil...


all which are good are created by TrueSource ...
all which are bad are created by those who keeps their distance from TrueSource
so indirectly, TrueSource did create evil

One True Creator And Source Of Everything Have Once Created Human, A Creature Who Can Be Good Or Evil ( What I'm Trying To Say Is That We - Human - are Filled With The Basic Of 'Whatever It Need' To Be Good, Or To Be Evil )..


No, my friend ... all human beings have spark of True Source deep within, it is called HATI NURANI in bahasa ... or inner heart in english ... thus all human being are GOOD ... no matter how bad, filthy or evil someone is, I can always see the spark of True Source within ... thus I cannot hate ...

how can I hate the One I love ??

remember, Yaser
being bad is a choice ...

see ... like in Bani Qoraiza Massacre's case ... Muhammad have the option to show his mercy or to show his brutality ...
and what did he chose ??? ... is that the true will of the True Creator ??

One True Creator And Source Of Everything Also Put A Huge Responsibility For This World And Universe.. ( Do You Agree..? )


Nope ... True Creators loved all ... and what responsibility are you talking about here ... ?? could you elaborate ??

What Would A Creator Do For Human Whose Freedom Of Choice..
Let Them Be....
Guide Them....
Test Them....
Or...?


My friend, you're under illusion that True Source is a being ...
I cannot describe what True Source felt like, thus I can only provide explanation that

All love is coming from True Source
the closer we are to the love from True Source, the better we became ... all lower emotions are no longer exist
like morning mist in front of the summer sun ... not going anywhere, just ceased to be

the farther away we are from the love of True Source ... the worse we became

True Source is the purest love of all ...
now I asked you one question

did you ever fall in love ?? remember, true love forgets himself and only put their lover's happiness as first priority :green:
did you let your lover be - means to let her go astray ?? that she may put herself in harm ?
did you test your lover ??
did you guide your lover to be better person ??

but once more ... can you force your will to her ?? can you respect her choice ??

answer all of it and multiply it by 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, (exp 1,000,000) ... .... times
that's how much we are loved by True Source ...

so much that he gave us the choice ...

Does Creator Create Human And Universe, And Then Sit Back And Watch..? ( Sorry For The Bad Choice :P )

you have to clear up your mind from personification, my friend ...

Love is all around ... like radio waves ... True Source is everywhere ... in every heart, in every being, in everyTHING
the only thing you need to do is TUNE IN ...

and let the love guide you ...

What Would A Creator Do To Good People...?


love them :green:

What Would A Creator Do To Evil People..?


love them :green:



To love means to forget oneself
Help me to forget myself and start to love, O True Source
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby yaser » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:12 pm

OK Then....

Thanks For Your Reply...

I Still Have Tons Of It :turban:

Till Next Time.....
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:18 pm

you're most welcome, Yaser

nice to have discussion with you :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby wartem » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:13 am

bluelotus
ur the best!!!! :finga: :finga: :finga: :heart: :heart: :goodman:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby MegadethX » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:23 am

salah yang bener
u are the best
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby wartem » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:29 am

MegadethX wrote:salah yang bener
u are the best

hehehehe..
maklumlah bos gw gak jago ngomong congcoeng(bahsa ingris)
makasih udah di ralat
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:17 am

wartem wrote:bluelotus
ur the best!!!! :finga: :finga: :finga: :heart: :heart: :goodman:



nah ... saya juga masih sedang belajar
masih jauh to be the best ...

semoga tiap hari semua mahluk makin sabar dan sadar :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:06 am

good morning, yaser

as per your request in your other post, saya post your questions here

Now, Do You Believe In Sin..?


saya cuba jawab agar mudah difahami ...

saya tak percaya dosa ...
tapi saya percaya manusia bisa berbuat salah / kesalahan (CMIIW)

anda tahu bedanya ??

dosa hanya bisa dihapus oleh higher authority ... dan dibalas dengan "pahala"
contoh dalam christian kita tak berdaya hapus dosa, hanya Jesus / Tuhan yang bisa

dalam Islam kita juga diberi konsep pahala ... ke mekka pahala 100,000x ... shalat ini 10x ... lakukan ini sama dengan 1000 bulan puasa ... bunuh kafir dapat surga
ini tak dewasakan manusia, ajar manusia kurang bersyukur, berdagang dengan Tuhan

mari kita bahas satu per satu ...
dosa hanya bisa dihapus oleh Tuhan ...
jadi setelah saya bunuh orang lain, cukup saya doa minta ampun atau saya bilang ke pemuka agama atau dalam kasus muhammad, pembunuh bilang ke muhammad dan dibilang tak ada dosa ... case closed
ini buat orang jadi pengecut ... tak usah tanggungjawab, cukup minta ampun dari Tuhan

yang kedua ... dosa vs pahala
10 kali dosa, 100,000 kali pahala, masih sisa 99,990 pahala ... cukup ke surga
manusia lupa bersyukur atas berkat True Source yang lain, sibuk hitung untung rugi ...
sama kacau dengan diatas

ini adalah pendapat mereka yang tak faham ... dan kecilkan arti Tuhan Maha Adil
anda setuju Tuhan Maha Adil ??

Kalau anda bunuh orang dan minta ampun pada Tuhan, kemudian "Tuhan" ampuni anda ... adilkah Tuhan pada korban yang anda bunuh ??
kalau anda bunuh orang dan kabur lalu berdoa dapat pahala ... untuk cuci dosa anda ... adilkah Tuhan pada korban yang anda bunuh ??

kalau anda serang sebuah kota, bunuh semua pria, rampok harta mereka, perbudak anak-istri mereka ... dan didukung oleh "Tuhan" ... adilkah "Tuhan" itu ??

inilah konsep yang dibuat oleh orang yang tak faham ...

back to topic
apa beda dosa dengan kesalahan ??

kesalahan BISA diperbaiki ... DOSA tidak
kalau anda pukul seseorang, anda bisa minta maaf, anda bisa tolong dia, bisa perbaiki kesalahan anda dan tidak lari ke "ampunan tuhan" atau "cuci dengan pahala"

apa yang anda tabur, itu anda tuai (whatever you sow, you reap) ... True Source sungguh adil

menurut saya manusia umumnya berbuat kesalahan ...
True Source adalah sumber cinta, dia beri kita countless kesempatan untuk tebus kesalahan kita ... dan jadikan itu sebagai pijakan untuk maju lebih baik lagi

ingat, anda harus bayar atas semua kesalahan anda ...

And What Do You Think Of Free Sex...


sex drive adalah strategi evolusi manusia untuk berkembang biak dan teruskan gen (genes) agar manusia tak punah
kalau anda perhatikan, Master-master / Guru yang hebat umumnya tak menikah ... Jesus, Siddhartha ... kenapa ??
kerana sex adalah naluri "human animal" to reproduce ... tak lebih
dan para Guru sudah lampaui itu semua ... mereka sudah tak ada nafsu selain untuk KASIH ...

apa sex perlu ?? perlu ... saya tak munafik bahwa saya perlu sex ... tapi semua ada batasnya
semua kalau berlebih tak baik ... setuju ??
bukan dengan poligami, kawin mut'ah ... dan sebagainya yang disugarcoating dengan "tolong janda", kerana istri haid dan alasan munafik lain ...

Kasih itu indah, Yaser ...
dalam Kasih, kita tak usah repot fikir bagaimana jadi orang baik ... kita sudah jadi orang baik dengan sendiri nya

hidup ini pilihan, mau freesex atau tidak ... saya kembalikan kepada anda ...
kalau anda tanya pendapat saya pribadi

saya tak setuju ... kerana itu akan sakiti hati orang yang saya cintai ... istri saya
kerana itu rawan penularan kuman penyakit ...
kerana itu adalah penyaluran naluri ... bukan akal budi ... bukan KASIH ...

kalau kita hanya ikut naluri, kawin kawin kawin sex sex sex sampai poligami ... apa beda kita dengan monyet ??
anda tahu monyet ?? dalam kawanan ada alpha male yang sex dengan banyak female agar hasil banyak bayi
kalau kita lakukan free sex ... apa beda kita dengan binatang ?? monyet ??

demikian juga dengan marah, benci, iri, dengki dan semua emosi rendah lain ...
kalau seorang masih belum bisa lepas dari ini semua ... tak pantas kita sebut sebagai panutan ...

kerana itu saya tak percaya surga sex muhammad ...

And What Would God Think About Free Sex..?


your question is funny ... saya kan bukan Tuhan ... mana bisa saya jawab ...

let me rephrase it ...

"what do you think God would think about free sex ??"

apa benar ??
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby yaser » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:25 pm

Ooops.. You've Answer Already....

I'm Gonna Read It First...
Sorry For My Last Post In "Wanita Dalam Islam"
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:31 pm

always at your service, yaser

happy to share what I know to you :green:

wish you all the best :green:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:53 pm

Aeon wrote :
hey.. saya liat anda online..

saya mo posting sesuatu ke thread anda yang 'experience with islam'.. tapi mungkin blm sekarang.. lagi sibuk dikit..

mo tanya pertanyaan sederhana dulu..

klu menurut anda Allah tidak adil dengan membuat orang tidak sengaja kena HIV, miskin ga ketulungan, kaya tapi cacat, harus hidup under the bridge downtown, kecanduan narkoba hingga susahkan orang tuanya.. dll.. dll..

dan kenyataan tersebur memang ada di dunia..

sesuatu yang konkrit apa yang tuhan anda lakukan untuk itu..

jika tuhan yang benar adalah tuhan versi anda, kenapa dia tetap membiarkan keadaan seperti itu terjadi..??
bukankah menurut anda dia maha penyayang dan penuh kasih...??

makasih...


interesting questions, Aeon

saya harap anda juga punya open mind untuk dengar jawaban saya
ingat, ini adalah pengalaman saya pribadi, jawaban saya pribadi ... tak perlu dianggap wakili sesuatu atau apapun
dan saya TIDAK memaksa anda untuk percaya dengan saya, tapi saya welcome dengan pertanyaan anda

dasar dari yang saya pahami adalah

Segala yang baik datang dari True Source
Segala yang tidak baik datang dari mereka yang jauhkan diri dari True Source
Segalanya (baik dan buruk) adalah hal yang harus dilalui agar dapat pulang kembali pada True Source

dalam kehidupan ini, saya mendapat gift dari True Source untuk paham beberapa hukum alami yang ada
saya dapat kesempatan melihat kehidupan-kehidupan sebelum masa kehidupan saya sekarang - means reincarnation, reinkarnasi ...

kalau anda ingin tahu masa depan, lihatlah masa sekarang
kalau anda ingin tahu masa lalu, lihatlah masa sekarang

kalau masa kini anda susah, sengsara, miskin ... itulah yang anda kumpul dari masa lalu
kalau masa kini anda senang, makan 3 times / day ... ada harta, serba mudah ... itulah yang anda kumpul dari masa lalu
kalau anda ingin masa depan baik ... mulailah tanam kebaikan dengan TULUS sejak saat ini

apa yang anda tanam, itu anda tuai ... True Source sungguh MAHA ADIL, tak ada racist, tak ada beda antar manusia agama ini dan itu, tak ada favorit agama tertentu ... semuanya sama ... sama-sama dicintai tanpa syarat

kalau hutang anda yang anda buat dari kehidupan lalu banyak ... ya anda harus BAYAR di kehidupan sekarang ...
kalau dulu hutangnya pakai USD, sekarang bisa bayar dengan IDR atau SGD atau JPY ... tapi HARUS BAYAR
kalau dulu hutangnya membunuh, ya sekarang tidak harus dibunuh, tapi hidup miskin, misalnya ...

kalau baby lahir cacat ... itu adalah bayar hutangnya dulu di kehidupan sekarang
kalau orangtua punya baby cacat, BISA saja itu adalah hutangnya di kehidupan dulu, jadi dia harus punya anak cacat (beban mental)

True Source MAHA PENGASIH ... manusia yang jahat, sejahat apapun selalu diberi kesempatan untuk kembali PadaNya
walau harus diulang berkehidupan kehidupan kehidupan, jutaan kehidupan pun ...
kerana itu reinkarnasi bukan menghina, tapi membantu kita memahami MAHA ADIL dan MAHA PENGASIH nya True Source

secondly, ada namanya FREE WILL (KEHENDAK BEBAS ... )
ini yang bedakan manusia dari mahluk binatang dan mahluk lainnya
means manusia itu BISA memilih, misal ketika anda diajak coba narkoba ... itu CHOICE, dan kalau terjadi sesuatu ??

True Source masih cintai anda ... walau sebodoh apa tindakan anda ... tapi ingat ... ANDA HARUS BAYAR :green:

cukup jelas ??

NOTE : bahasa sudah saya permudah agar dapat dipahami dengan baik
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby Nyampah » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:21 pm

mister bluelotus,
maksudnya anda percaya reinkarnasi?
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby saia » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:26 am

@atas

of course he is ... but sorry bluelotus, i afraid i hasn't same line with you bout reincarnated :heart:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby romario » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:47 am

bluelotus wrote:
but I've lost my apetite for heaven ... and lost my fear of hell
just standing here, sharing smiles ...

smiles did not have religion ... so do I :green:


what an inspiring and witty words =D>

congratulation and welcome to humanity, living free from imaginary god/s and fears

please check your pm, i sent you an apostacy gift

:drinkers:
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Re: My experience with Islam

Postby bluelotus » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:55 am

saia wrote:@atas

of course he is ... but sorry bluelotus, i afraid i hasn't same line with you bout reincarnated :heart:



hello saia

there a huge difference between believing (percaya) anda knowing (tahu)

just because you never know it, does not mean it does not exist ...

seorang anak kecil dikata, jangan pegang api, api itu panas ... dia PERCAYA api itu panas
tapi orang yang pernah kena api, lepuh ... dia TAHU api itu panas ...

demikian juga kalau seorang yang tidak tahu api itu panas, dia kata pada anak kecil itu ... api itu dingin
dan si anak akan percaya

saya seorang sceptic, saya takkan percaya sebelum alami sendiri

I am not believing in reincarnation ... I know about it ... I've seen my past lives, clearly as it was yesterday ...
the taste of the wind, the smell of the sweat, the fear in my heart, the wound I've got, the blood, the taste of dying ...

reincarnation is the proof that True Source is TRULY MAHA PENGASIH DAN PENYAYANG ...
no matter how wicked we are, how bad we've become ... there's always total acceptance and forgiveness ...
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