Saya tantang semua Muslim: Buktikan allah swt bukan batu!

Siapa 'sosok' Allah, apa maunya, apa tujuannya ?
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alley_shatree wrote:udah jelas batu itu sbg tanda awal thawaf, batu pojok, tanda Baitullah....kalo ada yg mencium2 itu kembali ke orangnya masing2....emangnya kalo mencium berarti menyembah ?

@atheist
coba aja injek...paling kamu dibilang kurang kerjaan atau malah diamankan ke rumah sakit jiwa....eh tapi kamu kan masih kapir jadi masih najis donk...kagak boleh masuk area Masjidil Haram. :)
tetangga gue muslim gaul, suka main togel (lottre pacuan kuda singapore).

Dia juga demen main pelacur dan makan rawon anjing.

Suatu ketika dia pernah menang togel ratusan juta, duitnya dipake pergi umroh. Kok auwloh nggak kasih azab ya?

Pulang haji masih juga main perempuan dan makan rawon anjing. Gue salut ama bang haji ini. Orangnya asik. Gue suka dudukin alquran dia depannya, dia diam aja. Huahuahua. Muatab pak haji satu ini.
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Alley wrote:udah jelas batu itu sbg tanda awal thawaf, batu pojok, tanda Baitullah....kalo ada yg mencium2 itu kembali ke orangnya masing2....emangnya kalo mencium berarti menyembah ?
Batu itu adalah ALLAH SWT, bukan karena ia diciumi, tapi karena sebelum dicium, ia dipanggil "allah":

Hadis Sahih Muslim 1190
"Tatkala Rasulullah SAW tiba di Mekah, mula-mula beliau datangi Hajar Aswad lalu beliau mencium."

Hadis Sahih Muslim 1150
Sebelum mencium Hajar Aswad itu, Muhammad mengucapkan: "Labbaik allahuma labbaik" yang berarti :
"Ya Allah atas panggilanMu aku datang kepadaMu."


Diperhatikan dari daya tangkapmu atas paparan saya di sini, menunjukkan otakmu ber-IQ sangat rendah. Walau saya cuma lulusan SR (setingkat SD), tapi saya boleh bangga, karena kecerdasan otak saya masih jauh di atasmu. Cobalah kamu renungkan, kenapa dirimu bisa sampai segoblok ini? Karena kamu Islam.

Dan bukan cuma dipanggil allah dan dicium, batu itu juga dihormat dan disujudi:

Dari Ibnu Umar r.a. berkata, saya pernah melihat Umar bin Khattab r.a. mencium hajar aswad dan sujud diatasnya, kemudian kembali lagi mencium (lagi) dan sujud (lagi) diatasnya. Kemudian dia berkata, “Begitulah saya melihat Rasulullah saw. (berbuat).” (Hasan: Irwa-ul Ghalil IV:312 dan al-Bazzar II:23 no:1114).

MUWATTA, Book 20, Number 20.33.113:
Yahya bercerita padaku dari Malik apa yang dia dengar bahwa ketika Rasul Allah SAW telah selesai Tawaf Kabah, sholat dua rokaat, dan ingin berangkat ke Safa dan Marwa, dia akan memberi hormat ke sudut tempat Batu Hitam berada sebelum berangkat.

Karena batu hitam itu adalah allah swt-nya Muhammad, pantesan, sewaktu Muhammad mensucikan Ka'bah, batu hitam itu yang disisakan.

Pantesan pula, Muhammad menyuruh semua pengikutnya di seluruh dunia agar sujud menghadap ke arah batu hitam itu.
guardian angel wrote:Gue gregetan dech ngikutin forum ini. Semua sanggahan dari para muslimers nggak nyambung. Tapi gue yakin seyakin yakinnya bahwa sesungguhnya mereka ngerti tentang apa yang bang dul paparkan mengenai bukti-bukti bahwa muslimers memang nyembah batu, mereka sadar koq, cuman aja mereka malu untuk mengakuinya secara terus terang.
Menurut saya, mereka bukan malu, tapi memang IQ-nya yang jongkok.

Ada sih, beberapa orang yang otaknya agak lumayan, contohnya CahAngon dan PencariTuhan. Mereka bisa menangkap dengan baik maksud tulisan saya, sebaik Anda memahaminya. Tapi melihat model orang seperti Alley ini, tampaknya dia sudah tidak punya urat malu, karena IQ-nya memang benar-benar sangat rendah. :oops:
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iya dasar islam, beraninya cari kesalahan agama laen n ngeklaim sepihak agamanya paling bener. padahal mereka juga nyembah batu, n emangnya Tuhan ada di arab yah?
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alley_shatree wrote:udah jelas batu itu sbg tanda awal thawaf, batu pojok, tanda Baitullah....kalo ada yg mencium2 itu kembali ke orangnya masing2....emangnya kalo mencium berarti menyembah ?

@atheist
coba aja injek...paling kamu dibilang kurang kerjaan atau malah diamankan ke rumah sakit jiwa....eh tapi kamu kan masih kapir jadi masih najis donk...kagak boleh masuk area Masjidil Haram. :)
Loh... katanya ngga ada apa apanya.. kenapa gue ngga bole masuk? Pura di bali aja yang katanya suci gue boleh masuk kok..
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kamu baru masuk ke area Masjidil haram saja badanmu sudah merinding...aura baitullahnya begitu terasa. kalo sampai kamu menginjek Hajar Aswad juga paling di cuekin sama orang yg beribadah disitu...kagak bakal ada yg ngurusin elo disitu kecuali polisi paling kalo lo mengganggu.
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LordKyo wrote:memang banyak yang membuat forum untuk membuktikan Al-Qur'anul Karim itu cuma ayat karangan.. tapi sayangnya.. belum pernah ada yang menang debat soal kebenaran Al-Qur'an.. semua pendapat yang mengatakan Al-Qur'an itu NGIBUL selalu dapat digugurkan..
Alquran memang ngibul, dan itu tak terbantahkan lagi. Hanya kalian para muslim yang berpura-pura tolol seolah menang debat.

Saya beri 1 contoh ayat ngibul dari kitab Arab:

QS 32:4 Allah lah yang menciptakan langit dan bumi dan apa yang ada di antara keduanya dalam enam masa, kemudian Dia bersemayam di atas 'Arsy. Tidak ada bagi kamu selain dari padaNya seorang penolongpun dan tidak (pula) seorang pemberi syafa'at. Maka apakah kamu tidak memperhatikan?

Tapi prakteknya, awloh tidak bersemayam di Arsy, tapi di kota Mekkah, menempel di Ka'bah dalam bentuk batu.

QS 2:144. Sungguh Kami (sering) melihat mukamu menengadah ke langit, maka sungguh Kami akan memalingkan kamu ke kiblat yang kamu sukai. Palingkanlah mukamu ke arah Masjidil Haram. Dan dimana saja kamu berada, palingkanlah mukamu ke arahnya. Dan sesungguhnya orang-orang (Yahudi dan Nasrani) yang diberi Al Kitab (Taurat dan Injil) memang mengetahui, bahwa berpaling ke Masjidil Haram itu adalah benar dari Tuhannya; dan Allah sekali-kali tidak lengah dari apa yang mereka kerjakan.

QS 2:149. Dan dari mana saja kamu keluar (datang), maka palingkanlah wajahmu ke arah Masjidil Haram, sesungguhnya ketentuan itu benar-benar sesuatu yang hak dari Tuhanmu. Dan Allah sekali-kali tidak lengah dari apa yang kamu kerjakan.

QS 2:150. Dan dari mana saja kamu (keluar), maka palingkanlah wajahmu ke arah Masjidil Haram. Dan dimana saja kamu (sekalian) berada, maka palingkanlah wajahmu ke arahnya, agar tidak ada hujjah bagi manusia atas kamu, kecuali orang-orang yang zalim diantara mereka. Maka janganlah kamu takut kepada mereka dan takutlah kepada-Ku (saja). Dan agar Ku-sempurnakan nikmat-Ku atasmu, dan supaya kamu mendapat petunjuk.

Hadits riwayat Ibnu Majah
Rasulullah SAW bersabda: Dibukakan pintu langit dan diperkenankan doa orang muslim ketika melihat Ka'bah.

Hadits Tirmizi
Batu Hitam Hajar Aswad adalah sebagai tempat berdoa yang mustajab...
LordKyo wrote:semisal, ada ayat yang mengatakan "sujudlah kepada hajar aswad, sesungguhnya hajar aswad itu tuhan kita yang esa"..

itu baru bisa dikatakan OTENTIK!!!
Ingatlah pada statusmu, yaitu sebagai korban penipuan Arab. Bagaimana kamu bisa berharap ada pengakuan jujur dari Arab kalau tuhan mereka adalah allah yang berwujud batu hitam? Sebodoh itukah Arab? Apakah kamu pikir Arab senaif dirimu?

Untuk membuktikan ALLAH adalah HAJAR ASWAD, tidak perlu dalil tertulis, tapi DALIL TERSIRAT & FAKTA RIIL DI LAPANGAN.

Apa yang tertulis secara textbook adalah teori, dan bukan fakta.
Dan yang saya miliki saat ini adalah FAKTA. Sudah ada FAKTA, kenapa Anda menuntut TEORI? Teori dipakai mereka untuk menipu orang-orang lugu sepertimu, dan saya menggunakan FAKTA untuk membuka kedok tipu-menipu mereka.

DALIL-DALIL FAKTA (bukan sekedar TEORI):

1) Para muslim memanggil batu hitam itu "allah", sewaktu mereka hendak tawaf.

2) Karena batu hitam itu adalah allah, pantas saja, sewaktu Muhammad mensucikan Ka'bah, dia sisakan batu hitam di sana agar menjadi SESEMBAHAN YG TAUHID, satu-satunya.

3) Karena batu hitam itu adalah allah, pantas saja, muslim di seluruh dunia diperintahkan untuk sujud menyembah ke arah Ka'bah, karena di Ka'bah itu batu hitam allah menempel.

Ini FAKTA, ini lebih kuat dari sekedar kalimat-kalimat basi yang ada dalam Quran. Kenapa dirimu menuntut sesuatu yang basi dan tidak mau mempercayai FAKTA?
LordKyo wrote:sedangkan jawaban kamu atas saya selalu terbantahkan.. dan tidak ada dalil yang mengatakan hajar aswad itu Allah Azza wa jalla
DALIL FAKTA lebih kuat daripada DALIL TEORI.

Ibaratnya seorang maling mengeluarkan bacotan, "Saya tidak mencuri."
Tapi fakta menunjukkan maling itu memang mencuri.

Apakah seorang hakim lebih percaya pada bacotan maling daripada FAKTA yang diberikan Polisi & Jaksa?
LordKyo wrote:perhatikan rukun haji dibawah ini : (mengutip tulisan akhi id_amor)
Tawaf Qudum

Disebut juga Tawaf Dukhul, yaitu tawaf pembukaan atau tawaf selamat datang yang dilakukuan pada waktu jama'ah baru tiba di Mekah.

Nabi Muhammad SAW setiap kali masuk Masjidil Haram lebih dulu melakukan tawaf sebagai ganti shalat Tahiyyatul Masjid. Maka tawaf inipun disebut juga Tawaf Masjidil Haram.

Hukum untuk tawaf Qudum adalah Sunat. maka jika tidak melaksanakan tawaf Qudum tidak membatalkan Ibadah haji ataupun Umrah. Bagi wanita yang sedang haid atau Nifas dilarang melakukan Tawaf Qudum. Bagi wanita yang melaksanakannya tidak perlu lari-lari kecil cukup berjalan biasa.

Tawaf Qudum ini boleh tidak disambung dengan Sa'i, tetapi bila disambung maka Sa'inya sudah termasuk Sa'i haji. Oleh karena itu waktu Tawaf Ifadah jama'ah tidak perlu lagi melakukan Sa'i. Disunatkan menyelendangkan pakaian atas Ihram di bawah ketiak lengan kanan dan ujungnya diatas pundak kiri. kalau mungkin sempatkanlah mengusap dan mengecup Hajar Aswad. atau cukup dengan memberi isyarat dari jauh sambil membaca :

"Allahumma Imaanan Bika Wa Tashdieqan Bikitaabika Wa Wafaaan Bi'ahdika Wattibaa'an Lisunnati nabiyika Sayydinaa Muhammadin Shallalahu Alaihi Wasallam."

Artinya :

"Ya Allah ku ! aku beriman kepada Mu dan membenarkan kitab Mu, dan memenuhi janji Mu serta mengikuti sunnah nabi Mu, yaitu penghulu kami Muhammad SAW"

ditengah-tengah melakukan tawaf itu jama'ah haji diperkenankan membaca do'a :

"Subhaanallah Wal hamdulillah Walaailaaha Illallah, Wallaahu Akbar Walaa Haula Walaa Quwwata Illaabillah. Allahumma Innie Aamantu Bikitaabikalladzi Anzalta Wa Nabiyya Kalladzi Arsalta Faqhfir lie Maaqaddamtu Wama Akh khartu."

Artinya :

"Maha suci Allah, Segala puji bagi Allah tidak ada Allah yang patut disembah kecuali Allah, Allah Maha besar, Tiada daya dan kekuatan kecuali dengan pertolongan Allah. Ya Allahku ! Sesungguhnya aku beriman kepada kitab Mu yang telah Engkau turunkan, dan kepada nabi Mu yang telah Engkau utus, Oleh karena itu ampunilah dosa - dosaku yang telah lalu dan yang akan datang."

Dan ketika sudah sampai di antara Rukun Yamani dan Hajar Aswad supaya membaca :

"Rabbanaa Aatinaa Fiddunyaa Hasanah Wafil Aakhirati Hasanah Waqinaa 'Azaabannar wa Adkhilnaa Ijannata Ma'al Abrar."

Artinya :

"Ya Tuhan kami ! berilah kami kebaikan di dunia dan akhirat, dan lindungilah kami dari siksaan api neraka, dan masukkanlah kami ke dalam surga bersama orang-orang baik."
disadur dari : http://www.dzikir.org/b_haji05.htm
Terima kasih banyak.

Perhatikan bagian-bagian kutipanmu yang saya beri tanda MERAH & ukuran besar.

Perhatikan gambar ilustrasi berikut:

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alley_shatree wrote:kamu baru masuk ke area Masjidil haram saja badanmu sudah merinding...aura baitullahnya begitu terasa. kalo sampai kamu menginjek Hajar Aswad juga paling di cuekin sama orang yg beribadah disitu...kagak bakal ada yg ngurusin elo disitu kecuali polisi paling kalo lo mengganggu.
Hauahuahuaa... oh ya? Bhuahahahaa... Coba ah... bentar lagi gue mo ke sana kok.. tugas kantor :D Iseng ah.. coba masuk.. ntar gue kasih laporan kalo gue balik yakk..
BTW, cuman disana ya yang berasa? Kalo disini... kok ngga berasa yakk? Kenapa ley? Bisa jawab?
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Karena setan yang mengaku-ngaku Allah itu tinggalnya di sana. Pengaruhnya kagak nyampe kesini
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doni wrote:DALIL TERSIRATNYA MANA :lol: :lol: KALAU ALLAH adalah BATU HITAM :lol: :lol:
5 AYAT CUKUP:

QS 7:191. Apakah mereka mempersekutukan (Allah dengan) berhala-berhala yang tak dapat menciptakan sesuatupun? Sedangkan berhala-berhala itu sendiri buatan orang.

QS 17:42. Katakanlah: "Jikalau ada tuhan-tuhan (=patung Al-Latta, Uzza dan Manat) di samping-Nya, sebagaimana yang mereka (=orang Quraish) katakan, niscaya tuhan-tuhan itu mencari jalan kepada Tuhan yang mempunyai 'Arsy."

QS 22:26 "Dan (ingatlah), ketika Kami memberikan tempat kepada Ibrahim di tempat baitullah (dengan mengatakan): "Janganlah kamu memperserikatkan sesuatu pun dengan Aku dan sucikanlah rumah-Ku ini bagi orang-orang yang tawaf, dan orang-orang yang beribadah dan orang-orang yang rukuk dan sujud."

QS 55:27. Dan tetap kekal Dzat Tuhanmu yang mempunyai kebesaran dan kemuliaan.

QS 20:14. Sesungguhnya Aku ini adalah Allah, tidak ada Tuhan (yang hak) selain Aku, maka sembahlah Aku dan dirikanlah shalat untuk mengingat Aku.

5 ayat di atas, semuanya mengarah pada HAJAR ASWAD yang menempel di sudut Ka'bah.
Doni wrote:Bagaimana KALAU POLISI dan JAKSANYA SALAH TANGKAP seperti pernyataan ente ini
Polisi dan Jaksa tidak dapat dikatakan salah tangkap, sebab bukti-bukti yang mereka ajukan adalah bukti-bukti riil (fakta), dan bukan teori (gombalan atau bacotan).

BUKTI-BUKTI RIIL (FAKTA) itu adalah:

1) Para muslim memanggil batu hitam itu "allah" sebelum mereka menghormat dan menciuminya, sewaktu mereka hendak tawaf.

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2) Karena batu hitam itu adalah allah, pantas saja, sewaktu Muhammad mensucikan Ka'bah, dia sisakan batu hitam di sana agar menjadi SESEMBAHAN YG TAUHID, satu-satunya.

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3) Karena batu hitam itu adalah allah, pantas saja, muslim di seluruh dunia diperintahkan untuk sujud menyembah ke arah Ka'bah, karena di Ka'bah itu batu hitam allah menempel.

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Doni wrote:Faktamu sudah gugur,karena Rukun HAJI saja tidak menyebutkan penciuman HAJAR ASWAD
Dari: http://www.dzikir.org/b_haji05.htm

kalau mungkin sempatkanlah mengusap dan mengecup Hajar Aswad atau cukup dengan memberi isyarat dari jauh sambil membaca :

"Allahumma Imaanan Bika Wa Tashdieqan Bikitaabika Wa Wafaaan Bi'ahdika Wattibaa'an Lisunnati nabiyika Sayydinaa Muhammadin Shallalahu Alaihi Wasallam."

Artinya :

"Ya Allah ku ! aku beriman kepada Mu dan membenarkan kitab Mu, dan memenuhi janji Mu serta mengikuti sunnah nabi Mu, yaitu penghulu kami Muhammad SAW"

Perhatikan gambar ilustrasi berikut:

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Doni wrote:Curang ni yeee.. giliran ditanya patung Yesus itu SIMBOLISASI, ga boleh dibantah. Giliran hajar aswad dibilang WUJUD SEBENERNYA
Patung Yesus itu semacam simbol bulan sabit dalam agama palsu Arab.
Sabit ada di mana-mana, hampir setiap masjid di negara manapun, kalau tidak memakai tulisan 4JJL mereka memakai simbol sabit. Sabit adalah simbolisasi allah yang diyakini sebagai sang dewa bulan. Sabit adalah lambang dari sang allah swt.

Nah, bagaimana dengan hajar aswad?
Adakah suatu negara di luar Arab yang memiliki hajar aswad tiruan plus Ka'bahnya untuk dijadikan kiblat sholat bagi para pemuja allah? TIDAK ADA. Itu dikarenakan batu hitam itu adalah SANG TAUHID, wujud sebenarnya dari allah.

LAMBANG ALLAH SWT
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WUJUD NYATA SANG ALLAH
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gini lho buat netter2 muslim yang masih aja nggak mau ngaku kalo hajar aswad itulah allah kalian... bahwa kalian nyembah batu...

om duladi ini udah ngasi buanyak banget FAKTA bahwa kalian umat muslim emang nyembah batu. tapi kalian ENGGAK MERASA kan bahwa kalian nyembah batu?

itu karena kebohongan mamad yang ngomong bahwa allah itu sifatnya 'maha kuasa, maha esa, maha tau, maha suci' dan maha2 yang lainnya.

itu sengaja dikatakan sama mamad supaya kalian NGGAK NYADAR bahwa kalian itu nyembah batu!!

sekali lagi.... seperti yang dikatakan duladi... kalian boleh aja ngomong TEORI ini dan itu sebanyak kalian mau... tapi FAKTA tetap berkata 180 derajat dari TEORI apapun yang kalian katakan!!

dengan kata lain... TEORI kalian tidak lain tidak bukan hanyalah KEBOHONGAN

@duladi...
memang butuh kebesaran hati dari para muslim disini untuk mengakui fakta yang kamu katakan.
tapi para muslim ini memang nggak ada yang besar hatinya... dan yang besar otaknya juga nggak ada...
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bang dul, sudah saatnya bang dul membuat tulisan tentang mengungkap kebenaran allah swt adalah batu hitam hajar aswad. tapi tulisannya jangan diterbitkan di indonesia, cukup bisa di download di internet saja. agar para muslim sadar bahwa mereka menyembah iblis.
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dul-dul waktu hilangnya hajar aswad, lalu muslim tidak sholat menghadap ka'bah????

buktinya muslim masih sholat dengan arah ka'bah dengan ada atau tidak adanya hajar aswad dul!!

bloon kok di pelihara sih!!!

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Ane dukung perjuangan bang Dul asal tetap objektif dan ga ngawur...
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muslim sudah pada kebingungan tidak bisa menjawab lagi. begitu banyak bukti yang sudah dipaparkan, mengapa para muslim masih malu mengaku kalau tuhan mereka ternyata batu hitam.
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Duladi wrote:
5 AYAT CUKUP:

QS 7:191. Apakah mereka mempersekutukan (Allah dengan) berhala-berhala yang tak dapat menciptakan sesuatupun? Sedangkan berhala-berhala itu sendiri buatan orang.

QS 17:42. Katakanlah: "Jikalau ada tuhan-tuhan (=patung Al-Latta, Uzza dan Manat) di samping-Nya, sebagaimana yang mereka (=orang Quraish) katakan, niscaya tuhan-tuhan itu mencari jalan kepada Tuhan yang mempunyai 'Arsy."

QS 22:26 "Dan (ingatlah), ketika Kami memberikan tempat kepada Ibrahim di tempat baitullah (dengan mengatakan): "Janganlah kamu memperserikatkan sesuatu pun dengan Aku dan sucikanlah rumah-Ku ini bagi orang-orang yang tawaf, dan orang-orang yang beribadah dan orang-orang yang rukuk dan sujud."

QS 55:27. Dan tetap kekal Dzat Tuhanmu yang mempunyai kebesaran dan kemuliaan.

QS 20:14. Sesungguhnya Aku ini adalah Allah, tidak ada Tuhan (yang hak) selain Aku, maka sembahlah Aku dan dirikanlah shalat untuk mengingat Aku.

5 ayat di atas, semuanya mengarah pada HAJAR ASWAD yang menempel di sudut Ka'bah.


salam bang dul,
artikel ini saya kira ada relevansinya dengan topic yang dibuat bang dul. selamat membaca....

Question from brother gamil from Sudan

Is Islam a true Religion?
The 2nd of the 10 commandments in the Bible prohibits the making of idols. The Old Testament says that the idol worshipper must be put to death.
When a Muslim prays 5 times a day he should direct himself toward the Black Stone of the Kabah in Makkah. This is while in pilgrimage everyone must worship and honor it, and even tour 7 times around this Black Stone idol.
Muslims in the world honor this Black Stone idol in Kabah more than anything else… Is it not strange, that one of the pillars of Islam, the 2nd religion in the world after Christianity, is a mere black stone idol in Makkah?
If this stone idol disappears by any reason, Islam & world terrorism will end immediately. So, the best way to defend Christianity and to save the world from this false religion is to attack first this black stone idol in Makkah.



Answer :

Salam, Gamil.

Thank you for your question.

Your main point is that Islam encourages idolatry. Nothing could be farther from the truth; because no other religion opposes idolatry as vehemently as Islam.
As for the Black Stone in the Kabah, it is not an idol; and nobody worships it. It is simply 'a black stone' and its chief use in the Kabah during pilgrimage is as a marking stone.

Do Christians worship the picture of Mary or the Cross behind the Altar? These are but symbols. Yet, the Black Stone does not even have that status.
Muslims honor the ten commandments just like Christians. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never claimed that he came to teach a new religion. He taught that his mission was to restore the religion of all prophets of God, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all) to its pristine purity.

This basically means that we humans must not worship any god other than the One and Only Creator of the universe. You know the first of all commandments, according to Jesus is:

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.." (Mark 12: 29)

Here he was actually reiterating the First Commandment of the Torah as revealed to Moses:


"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

The Quran repeatedly and most emphatically states that God is One and Only. You can read this concrete Islamic concept in the Quran:

*{Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.}* (Al-Ikhlas 112:1-4)

Before I explain at length how Muslims view the Black Stone, let me say that it can never be considered as an idol, as it is not the likeness of anything living, and no worship is rendered to it.

First of all, the Black Stone is not mentioned in the Quran. It is only a marker at which point the tawaf (the circumambulation of the Kabah) starts and ends. The traditions speak about kissing or touching the Stone during tawaf; but this is not compulsory. Our scholars are unanimous that waving in that direction is enough.

It is reported that Umar ibn al-Khattab drew near the Black Stone and kissed it, saying:
"No doubt, I know that you are only a stone and can neither benefit nor harm anyone. If I had not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Al-Bukhari)

No Muslim has any doubt about the fact that the Black Stone is not to be worshipped or regarded as anything but a marker. At Hajj time, the whole area around the Kabah is so crowded that most pilgrims cannot even see it. And many pilgrims perform tawaf not on the ground floor of the Kabah, but on the floors above.

This means that they cannot see the Black Stone at all. They start tawaf and end it at the place where there is a marking line on the floor. And, nobody can ever say that their Hajj is incomplete for that reason.

Many critics of Islam make much of this stone, trying to find some sort of justification for their own polytheistic practices. But the founding principle of Islam is the concept of the Oneness of God: la ilaha illa Allah; there is no one that deserves worship or obeisance except the One and Only God.

So, Muslims do not worship anybody--or anything--other than Allah, Almighty. This was the teaching of all prophets of God from Adam to the Last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

If you really want to fight terrorism, you should address political injustice, not attack or ridicule other religion's practices, or even assume things that are not even there.

Thank you. Please keep in touch.

Salam.
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Duladi wrote:
5 AYAT CUKUP:

QS 7:191. Apakah mereka mempersekutukan (Allah dengan) berhala-berhala yang tak dapat menciptakan sesuatupun? Sedangkan berhala-berhala itu sendiri buatan orang.

QS 17:42. Katakanlah: "Jikalau ada tuhan-tuhan (=patung Al-Latta, Uzza dan Manat) di samping-Nya, sebagaimana yang mereka (=orang Quraish) katakan, niscaya tuhan-tuhan itu mencari jalan kepada Tuhan yang mempunyai 'Arsy."

QS 22:26 "Dan (ingatlah), ketika Kami memberikan tempat kepada Ibrahim di tempat baitullah (dengan mengatakan): "Janganlah kamu memperserikatkan sesuatu pun dengan Aku dan sucikanlah rumah-Ku ini bagi orang-orang yang tawaf, dan orang-orang yang beribadah dan orang-orang yang rukuk dan sujud."

QS 55:27. Dan tetap kekal Dzat Tuhanmu yang mempunyai kebesaran dan kemuliaan.

QS 20:14. Sesungguhnya Aku ini adalah Allah, tidak ada Tuhan (yang hak) selain Aku, maka sembahlah Aku dan dirikanlah shalat untuk mengingat Aku.

5 ayat di atas, semuanya mengarah pada HAJAR ASWAD yang menempel di sudut Ka'bah.

Question from brother gamil from Sudan

Is Islam a true Religion?
The 2nd of the 10 commandments in the Bible prohibits the making of idols. The Old Testament says that the idol worshipper must be put to death.
When a Muslim prays 5 times a day he should direct himself toward the Black Stone of the Kabah in Makkah. This is while in pilgrimage everyone must worship and honor it, and even tour 7 times around this Black Stone idol.
Muslims in the world honor this Black Stone idol in Kabah more than anything else… Is it not strange, that one of the pillars of Islam, the 2nd religion in the world after Christianity, is a mere black stone idol in Makkah?
If this stone idol disappears by any reason, Islam & world terrorism will end immediately. So, the best way to defend Christianity and to save the world from this false religion is to attack first this black stone idol in Makkah.



Answer :

Salam, Gamil.

Thank you for your question.

Your main point is that Islam encourages idolatry. Nothing could be farther from the truth; because no other religion opposes idolatry as vehemently as Islam.
As for the Black Stone in the Kabah, it is not an idol; and nobody worships it. It is simply 'a black stone' and its chief use in the Kabah during pilgrimage is as a marking stone.

Do Christians worship the picture of Mary or the Cross behind the Altar? These are but symbols. Yet, the Black Stone does not even have that status.
Muslims honor the ten commandments just like Christians. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never claimed that he came to teach a new religion. He taught that his mission was to restore the religion of all prophets of God, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all) to its pristine purity.

This basically means that we humans must not worship any god other than the One and Only Creator of the universe. You know the first of all commandments, according to Jesus is:

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.." (Mark 12: 29)

Here he was actually reiterating the First Commandment of the Torah as revealed to Moses:


"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

The Quran repeatedly and most emphatically states that God is One and Only. You can read this concrete Islamic concept in the Quran:

*{Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.}* (Al-Ikhlas 112:1-4)

Before I explain at length how Muslims view the Black Stone, let me say that it can never be considered as an idol, as it is not the likeness of anything living, and no worship is rendered to it.

First of all, the Black Stone is not mentioned in the Quran. It is only a marker at which point the tawaf (the circumambulation of the Kabah) starts and ends. The traditions speak about kissing or touching the Stone during tawaf; but this is not compulsory. Our scholars are unanimous that waving in that direction is enough.

It is reported that Umar ibn al-Khattab drew near the Black Stone and kissed it, saying:
"No doubt, I know that you are only a stone and can neither benefit nor harm anyone. If I had not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Al-Bukhari)

No Muslim has any doubt about the fact that the Black Stone is not to be worshipped or regarded as anything but a marker. At Hajj time, the whole area around the Kabah is so crowded that most pilgrims cannot even see it. And many pilgrims perform tawaf not on the ground floor of the Kabah, but on the floors above.

This means that they cannot see the Black Stone at all. They start tawaf and end it at the place where there is a marking line on the floor. And, nobody can ever say that their Hajj is incomplete for that reason.

Many critics of Islam make much of this stone, trying to find some sort of justification for their own polytheistic practices. But the founding principle of Islam is the concept of the Oneness of God: la ilaha illa Allah; there is no one that deserves worship or obeisance except the One and Only God.

So, Muslims do not worship anybody--or anything--other than Allah, Almighty. This was the teaching of all prophets of God from Adam to the Last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

If you really want to fight terrorism, you should address political injustice, not attack or ridicule other religion's practices, or even assume things that are not even there.

Thank you. Please keep in touch.

Salam.
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azizgol wrote:pak Dul, apa arti kata "menyembah" dalam kalimat ini

"Aku penuhi panggilanmu, ya awloh." kemudian membungkuk menyembah dan menciumi BATU HITAM?

apakah maksud pak Dul, menyembah = membungkuk atau
menyembah = mencium, atau
menyembah = membungkuk + mencium ?
klo definisinya spt itu , setiap kita membungkuk + mencium seseorang berarti telah menyembah orang tsb.

sekolah dimana pak dul ?
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Kalau bungkuk didepan orang setiap hari itu kan tidak direncanakan. Hal itu terjadi karena saling menghargai dan itu tidak berarti menyembah. kalau yang di arab sana kan sudah direncanakan untuk menyembah.
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ini tambahan utk duladi

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ini liat aja tambahan tantang dibalik ka'bah,batu hitam,ibadah haji:
http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... ht=#331777
ini bacaannya:
ni link untuk apakah Quran firman Allah http://www.fatherzakaria.net/
filenya http://www.fatherzakaria.net/books/islam/word/15.zip, kotbahnya :
http://www.islameyat.com/english/audio/ ... /qaf_eng28 .wmv

isi ttg batu hitam:

(Episode 58)

The sources of Islam

(The Pagan sources)

The black stone



What is the black stone? Is it a holy stone?

It was mentioned about the black stone In Al-Azhar site on the internet under the title (Islamic concepts):

{It is a stone , black in color with a red tinge , has red dots, about 30 centimeter in length and 10 centimeter in width, it is present in the wall on Al- Ka'bah in its south eastern corner , it has a covering and silver belts}


From where did this black stone came?


In Sonan Al-Tourmozy, the pilgrimage chapter .converse number 886 ;{ narrated Ibn Abe Abbas: the black stone came down from the paradise, it was whiter than milk}

It was said that Gabriel brought it down from paradise, it was also said that it appeared after the flooding of Noah ,and Ibrahim put it in that place as a mark for the beginning of circumambulation

Some people have a scientific explanation for that stone, they said: it is a meteoroid came down from the sky and burned before reaching the earth

The Arabic peninsula is full of such meteoroids, it was also said that it came down from the sky and was glowing before it burned, so they considered it as a holy stone being a strange phenomenon

According to history there were many Ka'bahs and All Ka'bahs have such meteoroids inside them, and Al- Ka'bah of Makkah was the one that contained that black stone


Was that stone a holy stone in the paganism epoch?


Definitely, it was a holy stone to the extent that Al- Ka'bah derived its holiness from that stone within it

In the book of (the methodological way for Arabs) by Mahmoud slim Al-Hoot, page 59, he said:{ the Ka'bah in Makkah was a frame for the black stone, and the other Ka'bahs had also similar character, as they were considered houses of gods, in each of them there was the special stone belonging to that god that came down from the sky}

The sanctifying of that stone was because it came from an unknown world, as this meteoroid came down from the sky with such heavenly celebration


That was also affirmed by the simplified Arabic encyclopedia, page 1097, as it said: the meteor is a small piece of the universal matter entering earth atmosphere in a very fast speed so it burns and looks like a glowing shinning line , that is glowing for a while as a result of the immense friction, it is called the meteoroid Bedouins were sanctifying that miraculous stone in the paganism epoch


But if Bedouins were sanctifying that miraculous stone in the paganism epoch
Why do Muslims sanctify it?

Are there any rituals for sanctifying that stone in the paganism epoch?

Definitely, as it was their worshiping place

In the Islamic encyclopedia, part 22, page 6960, it said: the black stone dated to very ancient epochs; it has very glorious stature in the religious rituals for the ancient Arabs

They were circumambulating around Al- Ka'bah that contained the black stone, it was sanctified since very old time

Muhammad followed that old customs when he settled the rituals of his religion and he considered Al- Ka'bah as the center for those rituals


What about the circumambulation?

They were circumambulating around Al- Ka'bah containing the black stone

We will focus the lights on some very exiting and strange rituals as a way of sanctifying that black stone,

In the book of (the methodological way for Arabs) by Mahmoud slim Al-Hoot, page 123
{One of the rituals of pagan pilgrimage was an exciting and amazing ritual, as they were circumambulating around Al- Ka'bah men and women totally naked}

What was the reason for that nudeness?


In the book of "the legendary in quran" , page 16,17 it said:{ that nudeness was for a reason, as there were sexual worshiping rituals taking place inside that Makkahin godly house in the ancient epochs }

In the book of" the father of prophets Ibrahim", by Muhammad hosny abdul-hammid, published in Cairo, page 92, he said:{ there was a pagan ritual performed by women, as they were touching the black stone by their menstrual blood, as the menstrual blood for the ancient pagan was the secret of birth, as they believed that, woman gives the blood and man gives the semen and the spirit is given by god

They were assimilating the first act done by the moon god (Alh) when he slept with the sun god (Alat)


So they were celebrating that occasion as the gods (the moon and the sun) did before, they were doing the same thing again

(See also" the legendary and the heritage" by Sayed Al-Kemny, page 160,162


This was also mentioned in the book of Rites and denominations {Al-Melal Wal-Nahl) by Abe Al-Kasim Al-Shahrestany, page 247, he said :{ there was a ritual that was dominating that time which was the friction of the black stone , taking into consideration its shape\

And the ward Hajj is derived from Hack (in Arabic language it means to do friction}

(That was also mentioned in the book the legendary in quran, page 17, 19)

As the Arabic peninsula was very wide, and there were little people for that vast land, so they were very concerned about breeding, so the infertile women were performing group marriage during that time, as they were going naked during the pilgrimage and were fractioning their private parts with the blood inside it by the black stone, to have its blessing to get pregnant ,as it represented god that gives the spirit


Did Muhammad sanctify the black stone?


Muhammad had preserved the rituals of circumambulation and turning around Al- Ka'bah exactly as in the paganism epoch

The Islamic encyclopedia is saying: we can conclude from what Muslims are performing now that ritual, how it was done before by the pagans


Muhammad was kissing the black stone as a sign of sanctifying it



In Sonan Al-Behiqy , the book of pilgrimage, converse number 9503 :{ narrated Ibn Abbas : the messenger of God when he was taking the black stone, he was kissing it , putting it on his right check ( wasn't he aware that they were putting it into their private parts touching it with their blood?)

He was circumambulating around the black stone seven turns, three turns jumbling like steenbok, and four turns walking as a respect for the stone

In Mosnad Ahmed, Mosnad Abdullah Ibn Al-Abbas, converse number 283: {the messenger of God came into the mosque and he took the stone, people of korish said they are not walking but jumping like steenbok so he did that three times}




What was the attitude of Caliph Omer Ibn al-Khatab towards the black stone?

In Sahih Al-Bokhary, the pilgrimage chapter, converse number 1590:

{Omar challenged Muhammad's kissing of the black stone, he said when he came to kiss it: I know that you are just a stone, you neither harm nor cause any benefit. I wouldn’t kiss you if I didn't see the messenger of God doing that}

Omer also challenged Mohammed's jumping while walking around Al- Ka'bah saying: do we do that as hypocrisy for the pagan? (Sahih Al-Bokhary, the pilgrimage chapter, converse number 1605)


Narrated Zoubir Ibn Salem: Omer said to the stone: I know that you are just a stone do you neither harm nor cause any benefit, I wouldn’t take you if I didn't see the prophet taking you , we were doing that as hypocrisy for the pagan , now they had been demolished by God , but as the prophet did that we have to do it

We knew the reason why that stone was sanctified by the pagan, but why did Muhammad sanctify it?? That deserves thinking

Was there any single holy reason for that? And if Muhammad's respect for the black stone was a sort of hypocrisy to win the pagan as Omer said , is that befitting a prophet to share with pagans in worshiping their idols? Actually there are hundreds of question marks about that

Mohammed said in a converse that the stone came down from the sky and the quran said those stones came down from sky were for punishment as in:

The elephant chapter (Surat Al-Feel):"Haven't you seen how your Lord dealt with the owners of the elephant. Didn't he make their plot go astray? And sent against them birds, in flocks, striking them with stones of Sijjîl."


Stones were considered from Satan as in many chapters as the pilgrimage chapter (Surat Al-Hajj), the Spoils of War chapter (Surat Al-Anfal), and The Winds that Scatter chapter (Surat Adh-Dhariyat)

So the black stone is now worshiped by Muslims as an idol,

There was an article in Al-Ahram (pyramids) newspaper on 15/8/2004 by Dr. Ahmed Showky Ibrahim saying: we are not kissing the black stone as a costumed ritual, but as obedience for Al-mighty God's commandment

Would Al-mighty God command to perform pagan rituals? Is there any commandment from God to do that?

That was an agreement between the prophet and Makkah to preserve the pilgrimage with all its rituals

And about the throwing of stones (Ramy Al-jamarat) Dr. Ahmed said: that was in the place where Satan tried to prevent Ibrahim fro slaughtering his son!!! Is it possible to stone Satan?

Dr. Ahmed added: the black stone while it was in paradise, it had eyes, mouth and lips, God said to him open your mouth and eat the papers

What were those papers?

It was said that; when God created Adam, he took out of his back every human being he will create thereafter, he said to them: isn't me your God? They replied yes, he said to them then testify by that, and he took the treaties of their testimonies and ordered the angels to put those papers in the mouth of the black stone


Is that stone alive or dead?

Did that stone have a mouth, eyes and lips? And was he fed by the treaties?

Did any Muslim, who went to Makkah, see the eyes and mouth of the black stone?

Where is the legendary from the truth in that?

Millions are going every year to Makkah circumambulating around a stone and they said that Muhammad had terminated the pagan religion, while they are performing a pagan worshiping till now
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Post by daniel-ntl »

dari postingan saya di atas sangat menarik bahwa bentuknya batu hitam itu memang seperti vagina,tujuannya utk fertilitas pagan arab.juga muhammad cium2 dan gosok2 pipinya di batu itu,padahal batu itu udah gosok2 pake vagina yg ada darah mens-nya.

baca aja di atas,nanti tau juga sumbernya sejarah ini dari buku2 apa dan kesaksian siapa2 aja.....
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daniel-ntl wrote:dari postingan saya di atas sangat menarik bahwa bentuknya batu hitam itu memang seperti vagina,tujuannya utk fertilitas pagan arab.juga muhammad cium2 dan gosok2 pipinya di batu itu,padahal batu itu udah gosok2 pake vagina yg ada darah mens-nya.

baca aja di atas,nanti tau juga sumbernya sejarah ini dari buku2 apa dan kesaksian siapa2 aja.....
Orang berhaji itu dilarang keras berhubungan dgn Istri, mikir mesum aja dilarang...kog bisa2nya mikir hajar aswad itu spt vagina seh.
kalo pikirannya mesum dan kotor kayak kamu....nanti tiap ketemu lobang pikirannya kayak vagina.

@duladi

kalo Hajar aswad itu yg disembah kenapa ditarohnya dipojok dul ? dan kenapa mesti ada bagungan kabah ?....ini kita bicara pake logika guoblokmu ya.
kenapa kalo memang yg disembah hajar aswad...kog ngga ditaroh aja di etalase dan ditaroh ditengah2 ? jadi semua orang dari berbagai arah bisa melihatnya.
ok kenapa ditarohnya dipojok dan kenapa pake ada bangunan kubus Kabah segala kalo memang tujuannya mau nyembah Hajar aswad ?
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