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Postby ali5196 » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:26 am

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Status of religious freedom in Malaysia
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The status of religious freedom in Malaysia is a controversial issue. Islam is the official state religion and the Constitution of Malaysia provides for freedom of religion. However, questions including whether Malays can convert from Islam and whether Malaysia is an Islamic state or secular state remains unresolved.

Conversion from Islam

Muslims who wish to convert from Islam face severe obstacles. For Muslims, particularly ethnic Malays, the right to leave the Islamic faith and adhere to another religion is a controversial question, and in practice it is very difficult for Muslims to change religions. The legal process of conversion is unclear; in practice it is very difficult for Muslims to change their religion legally.

In 1999 the High Court ruled that secular courts have no jurisdiction to hear applications by Muslims to change religions. According to the ruling, the religious conversion of Muslims lies solely within the jurisdiction of Islamic courts.

In April 2001, a High Court judge rejected the application of a Malay woman who argued that she had converted to Christianity, and requested that the term "Islam" be removed from her identity card. The judge ruled that an ethnic Malay is defined by the federal Constitution as "a person who professes the religion of Islam." The judge also reaffirmed the 1999 High Court ruling and stated that only an Islamic court has jurisdiction to rule on the woman’s supposed renunciation of Islam and conversion to Christianity.

These rulings makes conversion of Muslims nearly impossible in practice.

The issue of Muslim apostasy is very sensitive. In 1998 after a controversial incident of attempted conversion, the Government stated that apostates (i.e., Muslims who wish to leave or have left Islam for another religion) would not face government punishment so long as they did not defame Islam after their conversion. However, whether the very act of conversion was an "insult to Islam" was not clarified at the time.

In April 2000, the state of Perlis passed a Shari’a law subjecting Islamic "deviants" and apostates to 1 year of "rehabilitation" (under the Constitution, religion, including Shari’a law, is a state matter). Leaders of the opposition Islamic party, PAS, have stated that the penalty for apostasy should be death.

Loss of right to marry

Azlina Jailani was a Muslim who converted to Christianity adopting the name Lina Joy. She was denied the right to register her marriage with the Registrar of Marriages. She is currently going through the secular courts to seek a a declaration that she is free to practise the faith of her choice, and have the word 'Islam' dropped from her identity card. Her legal case is based on the freedom of religion clause in the constitution.

Torture by police

Joshua Jamaluddin was incarcerated under the ISA for converting to Christianity. He later detailed his torture during his incarceration. Now he is an activist for allowing greater religious freedom in Malaysia.

Illegal imprisonment by family members

Aishah was captured and imprisoned by her own family members for wanting to convert before marrying her boyfriend. Eventually she escaped and has since left the country.
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Loss of right to work

Hilmi Mohd. Noor in his book "Circumcised Heart" describes his experiences during his detention resulting from religious persecution by the Malaysian authorities. Concurrently, there was lobbying by some Muslims in his company to get his job terminated.

Christian proselytization

Proselytizing of Muslims by members of other religions is not technically prohibited by federal law. It is however prohibited in most states and can lead to lengthy jail sentences and many strokes of the rotan (whipping). Most Christian and a few other religious groups in Malaysia put a standard disclaimer on literature and advertisements stating "For non-Muslims only".

In 2002 the government banned the Bible in Malay (Al Kitab) and in Iban (bap Kudus). Other materials such as books or tapes translated into Bahasa Melayu (local Malay) or Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian Malay) are also discouraged. However, Malay-language Christian materials are available. Some states have laws that prohibit the use of Malay-language religious terms such as usage of the term "Allah" for God by Christians, but the authorities do not enforce them actively. The distribution of Malay-language Christian materials faced few restrictions in East Malaysia prior to the banning of the Bup Kudus. The Kudus uses the term "Allah Taala" for God. The ban has since been rescinded. The then Home Minister Abdullah Badawi claimed it was the work of an overzealous bureaucrat and he had then repealed the ban personally.

In recent years, visas for foreign clergy no longer are restricted, and most visas were approved during the period covered by this report. Beginning in March 2000, representative non-Muslims were invited to sit on the immigration committee that approves such visa requests.
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Places of worship

The government generally respects non-Muslims' right of worship; however, state governments carefully control the building of non-Muslim places of worship and the allocation of land for non-Muslim cemeteries. Approvals for such permits sometimes are granted very slowly. After a violent conflict in Penang between Hindus and Muslims in March 1998, the government announced a nationwide review of unlicensed Hindu temples and shrines. However, implementation was not vigorous and the program was not a subject of public debate.

The new pre-planned capital of Malaysia, Putrajaya, features a grand mosque as a prominent feature of the planned community. No land has been gazetted for places of worship for any other faith.

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Postby wachdiegay » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:36 am

So..what is the point li ????

You should email the PM for protest dunk :lol: :lol:
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Postby ali18115 » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:52 pm

wachdiegay wrote:So..what is the point li ????

You should email the PM for protest dunk :lol: :lol:


Usah dilayan bung wachdiegay. Entry wikipedea itu sentiasa berubah dan ternyata digunakan oleh mereka sebagai propoganda negatif keatas sesiapa yang mereka tidak suka. Lihat aja di seksyen "discussion" yang sudah mirip forum ini. Sesiapa saja bisa membuat tuduhan kemudian diajak membuktikan yang tidak pernah ada, and at the meantime tuduhan2 mereka yang mengada-adakan terus kekal di main page dengan harapan mereka2 yang tidak tahu atau was-was termakan fitnah. Kami tidak mengindahkannya. Kata apa saja yang mereka mahu, kami tetap hidup makmur aman dan damai diantara semua bangsa dan agama berdasarkan 109:6 "Untukmulah agamamu dan untukkulah agamaku".
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Postby ali5196 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:29 am

Orang dongo yg ngga bisa diskusi diam aja lah !

BUKTIKAN DONG BAHWA NON-MUSLIM DI MALAYSIA HAKNYA SAMA DGN MUSLIM ! NGGAK BISA KHAN ELU ??? ELU BISANYA CUMA BERPUTAR2 DOANG !

KALAU NGGAK BISA DEBAT DIAM AJA LAH ! ORANG DISINI JUGA UDAH MALES NGELADENIN ELU2 YG BISANYA CUMA OMONG KOSONG.
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Postby ali18115 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:18 am

Mengapa pula kamu mahu memanggil diri kamu sendiri DONGO??? Sedangkan buktinya gampang saya berikan :

Di Malaysia kaum2 pribumi seperti Kadazan, Bidayuh, Semang, Iban dan kaum2 yang diklasifikasikan sebagai "Orang2 Asli" yang masih kebanyakkannya non-Muslim mendapat hak2 yang lebih dari orang2 Muslim. Dan dibawah konstitusi Malaysia hak2 mereka terjamin dan tidak bisa dipertikaikan. Bangsa Melayu itu asalnya dari kaum2 "Orang Asli" itu juga tetapi menukar nama bangsanya kepada Melayu setelah memeluk Islam. Sepertinya bangsa Minangkabau di Sumatera.
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Postby ali5196 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:01 pm

SO, anda sekarang menjadi wakil rakyat non-Muslim ? How touching !

Kenapa kita tidak tanya langsung sama mereka ? Why don't you ask the Ibans, the Kadazans themselves, how THEY feel living amongst Muslims and not how MUSLIMS think they shld feel ??

Lagi2 kau mengelak pertanyaan2 paling penting:

1. Konstitusi Malaysia mengatakan ethnic Malay = Muslim.
Ya atau Tidak ?

2. Kasus Lina Joy : tidak bisa ganti agama karena sbg orang etnik Malay ia dianggap otomatis Muslim.
Ya /tidak ?

3. Mereka yg ganti agama akan di-harrass, termasuk dipaksa ikut re-indoktrinasi (rehabilitasi) agar kembali memeluk Islam.
Ya/tidak ?

4.Diskriminasi terhdp non-muslim re. alokasi tempat ibadah, penyebaran agama dan Injil dicap "only for non-muslims".
Ya/Tidak ?

Just give me straight answers. If you go bolak balik with yr words, it means that you are full of omong kosong.
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Postby ali18115 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:37 pm

ali5196 wrote:SO, anda sekarang menjadi wakil rakyat non-Muslim ? How touching !


How dongo can you get ? You didn't expect I could have such a rebuttal because you were so self-centered thinking you were indisputable as mr. know-it-all about other people's country and administration. Think again err... i.e. if you have the capacity.

ali5196 wrote:Kenapa kita tidak tanya langsung sama mereka ? Why don't you ask the Ibans, the Kadazans themselves, how THEY feel living amongst Muslims and not how MUSLIMS think they shld feel ??


Go on ask them. Ask them why they and their parties join the national coalition. As them why they voted the current goverment.

ali5196 wrote:Lagi2 kau mengelak pertanyaan2 paling penting:


Mengelak??? Witness that I have answered your questions below.

ali5196 wrote:1. Konstitusi Malaysia mengatakan ethnic Malay = Muslim.
Ya atau Tidak ?


Ya.

ali5196 wrote:2. Kasus Lina Joy : tidak bisa ganti agama karena sbg orang etnik Malay ia dianggap otomatis Muslim.
Ya /tidak ?


Tidak, lina joy bisa ganti ugama. Ya, lina joy dianggap otomatis muslim kerana ibu/bapa nya memperakui lina joy berbangsa Melayu dan berugama Islam sama seperti mereka semasa kelahirannya. Lina joy juga telah menerima semua keistimewaan Melayu diatas perakuan itu dari kecil.

ali5196 wrote:3. Mereka yg ganti agama akan di-harrass, termasuk dipaksa ikut re-indoktrinasi (rehabilitasi) agar kembali memeluk Islam.
Ya/tidak ?


Ya, rehibilitasi. No, harassment. Kembali memeluk Islam atau tidak, itu terpulang kepada mereka. Kalau mahu jadi warga Malaysia harus juga mengikut ketetapan undang2nya yang mengatakan rehabilitasi itu diharuskan.

ali5196 wrote:4.Diskriminasi terhdp non-muslim re. alokasi tempat ibadah, penyebaran agama dan Injil dicap "only for non-muslims".
Ya/Tidak ?


Tidak, tidak ada diskriminasi. Mendirikan mesjid/surau juga bukan bisa sembarangan di Malaysia.

Now that I have answered your question, answer mine :

1. What axactly is lina not happy about Islam ?

2. What axactly is lina not happy about Malaysia?
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Postby ali5196 » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:10 pm

Ali 8115, anda buta apa buta ?? Begitu banyak kasus terletak didepan muka, anda masih juga mengelak.

LIHATLAH KONTRADIKSI DLM JAWABANMU !

1) fAKTA YG KAU AKUI SENDIRI : UUD Malaysia bilang etnik Malaysia = Muslim.

2) FAKTA YG KAU AKUI SENDIRI : pengadilan tidak mengijinkan Lina Joy mengganti agamanya di KTPnya.

3) TAPI anda JUGA mengatakan ia bebas memilih agamanya. TETAPI kau bilang kemudian : rehabilitasi kembali kedalam Islam diharuskan ????

JADI : MANA KEBEBASAN AGAMA YG KAU MAKSUD ITU ?? :oops:
Man, YOU ARE BLIND, CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AND YOU ARE SERIOUSLY CONFUSED. ELU UDAH TERJEBAK, MASIH SOMBONG LAGI !
I FEEL SO SORRY FOR YOU !!

ORANG **** DAN BUTA SPT ELU MASIH BERANI JUGA BERTANYA MENGAPA LINA JOY TIDAK BAHAGIA DGN ISLAM ?? PERNAH DENGAR TENTANG HAK AZASI MANUSIA ???? HUMAN RIGHTS ??? APA HAK PENGADILAN MEMAKSA ORANG utk TETAP MEMELUK ISLAM ?


Gua copy jawaban elu biar elu nggak bisa ganti diam2 !

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject:

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ali5196 wrote:
SO, anda sekarang menjadi wakil rakyat non-Muslim ? How touching !


How dongo can you get ? You didn't expect I could have such a rebuttal because you were so self-centered thinking you were indisputable as mr. know-it-all about other people's country and administration. Think again err... i.e. if you have the capacity.

ali5196 wrote:
Kenapa kita tidak tanya langsung sama mereka ? Why don't you ask the Ibans, the Kadazans themselves, how THEY feel living amongst Muslims and not how MUSLIMS think they shld feel ??


Go on ask them. Ask them why they and their parties join the national coalition. As them why they voted the current goverment.

ali5196 wrote:
Lagi2 kau mengelak pertanyaan2 paling penting:


Mengelak??? Witness that I have answered your questions below.

ali5196 wrote:
1. Konstitusi Malaysia mengatakan ethnic Malay = Muslim.
Ya atau Tidak ?


Ya.

ali5196 wrote:
2. Kasus Lina Joy : tidak bisa ganti agama karena sbg orang etnik Malay ia dianggap otomatis Muslim.
Ya /tidak ?


Tidak, lina joy bisa ganti ugama. Ya, lina joy dianggap otomatis muslim kerana ibu/bapa nya memperakui lina joy berbangsa Melayu dan berugama Islam sama seperti mereka semasa kelahirannya. Lina joy juga telah menerima semua keistimewaan Melayu diatas perakuan itu dari kecil.

ali5196 wrote:
3. Mereka yg ganti agama akan di-harrass, termasuk dipaksa ikut re-indoktrinasi (rehabilitasi) agar kembali memeluk Islam.
Ya/tidak ?


Ya, rehibilitasi. No, harassment. Kembali memeluk Islam atau tidak, itu terpulang kepada mereka. Kalau mahu jadi warga Malaysia harus juga mengikut ketetapan undang2nya yang mengatakan rehabilitasi itu diharuskan.

ali5196 wrote:
4.Diskriminasi terhdp non-muslim re. alokasi tempat ibadah, penyebaran agama dan Injil dicap "only for non-muslims".
Ya/Tidak ?


Tidak, tidak ada diskriminasi. Mendirikan mesjid/surau juga bukan bisa sembarangan di Malaysia.

Now that I have answered your question, answer mine :

1. What axactly is lina not happy about Islam ?

2. What axactly is lina not happy about Malaysia?
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Postby ali18115 » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:23 am

ali5196 wrote:Ali 8115, anda buta apa buta ?? Begitu banyak kasus terletak didepan muka, anda masih juga mengelak.

LIHATLAH KONTRADIKSI DLM JAWABANMU !

1) fAKTA YG KAU AKUI SENDIRI : UUD Malaysia bilang etnik Malaysia = Muslim.


Perlembagaan Malaysia TIDAK bilang etnik MALAYSIA = Muslim. Kamu mahu tipu siapa?

ali5196 wrote:2) FAKTA YG KAU AKUI SENDIRI : pengadilan tidak mengijinkan Lina Joy mengganti agamanya di KTPnya.


Dimana ada saya akui seperti itu ? Lina can change the religion on her IC and to do that she has to go thru the proper chanel and procedures set by the law of Malaysia. She chosed not to adhere to the law, that her problem.

ali5196 wrote:3) TAPI anda JUGA mengatakan ia bebas memilih agamanya. TETAPI kau bilang kemudian : rehabilitasi kembali kedalam Islam diharuskan ????


Rehabilitation is part if the procedures set by the law of Malaysia. Even her parents wants he to attend the rehabilitation. She can still opt to leave Islam after the rehabilitation, masih bebas memilih. As far as I am concern, Lina is just being big-headed and stubborn.

ali5196 wrote:JADI : MANA KEBEBASAN AGAMA YG KAU MAKSUD ITU ?? :oops:
Man, YOU ARE BLIND, CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AND YOU ARE SERIOUSLY CONFUSED. ELU UDAH TERJEBAK, MASIH SOMBONG LAGI !
I FEEL SO SORRY FOR YOU !!


I don't need your apologies. You can keep your "sorry".

ali5196 wrote:ORANG **** DAN BUTA SPT ELU MASIH BERANI JUGA BERTANYA MENGAPA LINA JOY TIDAK BAHAGIA DGN ISLAM ?? PERNAH DENGAR TENTANG HAK AZASI MANUSIA ???? HUMAN RIGHTS ??? APA HAK PENGADILAN MEMAKSA ORANG utk TETAP MEMELUK ISLAM ?


Malaysian has her law and constitution sets by Malaysian, agreed by Malaysians, for Malaysians, NOT just for lina. And who are you to tell the Malaysians what is good for them and their country.

And as far as I am concern. you have not answered my questions :


1. What axactly is lina not happy about Islam ?

2. What axactly is lina not happy about Malaysia?


ali5196 wrote:Gua copy jawaban elu biar elu nggak bisa ganti diam2 !

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ali5196 wrote:
SO, anda sekarang menjadi wakil rakyat non-Muslim ? How touching !


How dongo can you get ? You didn't expect I could have such a rebuttal because you were so self-centered thinking you were indisputable as mr. know-it-all about other people's country and administration. Think again err... i.e. if you have the capacity.

ali5196 wrote:
Kenapa kita tidak tanya langsung sama mereka ? Why don't you ask the Ibans, the Kadazans themselves, how THEY feel living amongst Muslims and not how MUSLIMS think they shld feel ??


Go on ask them. Ask them why they and their parties join the national coalition. As them why they voted the current goverment.

ali5196 wrote:
Lagi2 kau mengelak pertanyaan2 paling penting:


Mengelak??? Witness that I have answered your questions below.

ali5196 wrote:
1. Konstitusi Malaysia mengatakan ethnic Malay = Muslim.
Ya atau Tidak ?


Ya.

ali5196 wrote:
2. Kasus Lina Joy : tidak bisa ganti agama karena sbg orang etnik Malay ia dianggap otomatis Muslim.
Ya /tidak ?


Tidak, lina joy bisa ganti ugama. Ya, lina joy dianggap otomatis muslim kerana ibu/bapa nya memperakui lina joy berbangsa Melayu dan berugama Islam sama seperti mereka semasa kelahirannya. Lina joy juga telah menerima semua keistimewaan Melayu diatas perakuan itu dari kecil.

ali5196 wrote:
3. Mereka yg ganti agama akan di-harrass, termasuk dipaksa ikut re-indoktrinasi (rehabilitasi) agar kembali memeluk Islam.
Ya/tidak ?


Ya, rehibilitasi. No, harassment. Kembali memeluk Islam atau tidak, itu terpulang kepada mereka. Kalau mahu jadi warga Malaysia harus juga mengikut ketetapan undang2nya yang mengatakan rehabilitasi itu diharuskan.

ali5196 wrote:
4.Diskriminasi terhdp non-muslim re. alokasi tempat ibadah, penyebaran agama dan Injil dicap "only for non-muslims".
Ya/Tidak ?


Tidak, tidak ada diskriminasi. Mendirikan mesjid/surau juga bukan bisa sembarangan di Malaysia.

Now that I have answered your question, answer mine :

1. What axactly is lina not happy about Islam ?

2. What axactly is lina not happy about Malaysia?


Thats GREAT!!! Keep it, read it and understand it.
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Postby abdulah » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:59 pm

To Ali18115,

Bagaimana dengan kasus kontroversial pemakaman seorang pria Hindu (M.Moorthy) , dimana pemakamannya dilakukan secara paksa sepihak oleh pemerintah M'sia dengan ritus agama onta Arab (Islam).
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Postby ali5196 » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:08 pm

percuma nanya dia. Otaknya udah kebelit ! :oops:
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Postby Dingdong » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:25 pm

Islam memang lucu......dipikir mereka mengontrol apa yang ada dihati manusia....
Jika muslim mau convert terus percaya ..bukan Tuhan Auloh...kok mau diatur manusia.....

GILA....................

Islam..memang dari Iblis yang takut kalau temennya dineraka berkurang
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Postby ali18115 » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:30 pm

abdulah wrote:To Ali18115,

Bagaimana dengan kasus kontroversial pemakaman seorang pria Hindu (M.Moorthy) , dimana pemakamannya dilakukan secara paksa sepihak oleh pemerintah M'sia dengan ritus agama onta Arab (Islam).


Sudah selesai dengan aman. Akhirnya semua itu kerana si-balu menyalah sangka bahawa dia tidak akan mendapat pension dan harta warisan simati jika disahkan sebagai Islam. Selepas diberitahu sibalu tidak akan kehilangan semua itu, dia melepaskannya sahaja. Itu saja. So, whats your problem?
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Postby ali5196 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:07 am

Selesai dengan aman ? Selesai dgn aman ?

ELu nggak baca surat kabar di negara elu sendiri, apa ?? Orang2 non-muslim berdemo terus menerus menuntut persamaan hak. Koran2 terus membahas masalah ini. Tapi elu cuma menganggapnya selesai ???

Maklum elu memang robot Islam: nggak bisa lihat tanda2 jaman : cannot see the writing is on the wall. Orang Malaysia semakin tidak suka Islam, semakin lantang bersuara ... dan Muslim Malaysia tahu persis bahwa Islam hanya bisa bertahan di Malaysia lewat diskriminasi dan hak2 istimewa. That's all. Lebih dari itu Muslim Malaysia spt PENIS LOYO !

http://indonesian.knowislam.info/forum/ ... php?t=1211
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Re: MALAYSIA: kebebasan beragama ??? ****

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by ali18115 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:18 am
Mengapa pula kamu mahu memanggil diri kamu sendiri DONGO??? Sedangkan buktinya gampang saya berikan :

Di Malaysia kaum2 pribumi seperti Kadazan, Bidayuh, Semang, Iban dan kaum2 yang diklasifikasikan sebagai "Orang2 Asli" yang masih kebanyakkannya non-Muslim mendapat hak2 yang lebih dari orang2 Muslim. Dan dibawah konstitusi Malaysia hak2 mereka terjamin dan tidak bisa dipertikaikan. Bangsa Melayu itu asalnya dari kaum2 "Orang Asli" itu juga tetapi menukar nama bangsanya kepada Melayu setelah memeluk Islam. Sepertinya bangsa Minangkabau di Sumatera.

Kebohongan melampau saya adalah orang asli dan jelas pernyataan ini adalah kebohongan melampau.. Hak keistimewaan kami hanya omomng kosong belaka... Hak keistimewaan kami hanya akan diperolehi secara utuh apabila kami ini memeluk islam kerna bilamana kami ini masih non-islam hak keistimewaan kami adalah bersyarat penuh apapun yg kami pohoni jika dalam waktu yg sama jika ada muslim itu juga mohon akan otomatik permohonan kami di kesampingkan dgn buta2...

Ali18115 jika ngko bukan rakyat asli di Mlaysia buat pernyataan sesuai yg ngko ketahui berdasarkan perspektif yg ngko itu bukan orang asli di Malaysia.. FAHAM!!!...
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