TOKOH SAINS ISLAM
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Menantang SAINS DALAM QURAN
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6713
Quran mengatakan :
bumi datar
bumi tidak bergerak
bulan dan matahari adalah lampu yang menghias atap langit
langit adalah atap yang tidak dapat ditembus dan berdiri diatas tonggak/pilar tidak nampak
meteor adalah missiles yang dilemparkan kepada jin
bulan dan matahari bergerak dalam "dome in an arch"
matahari tenggelam dalam kolam keruh
BUMI DATAR
Terjemahan Quran dlm bahasa indonesia:
http://www.hashkalionline.de/qurani/ind ... ura15.html
[15.19] Dan Kami telah menghamparkan bumi dan menjadikan padanya gunung-gunung dan Kami tumbuhkan padanya segala sesuatu menurut ukuran.
015.019
YUSUFALI: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Waal-arda madadnahawaalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli shay-in mawzoonin. وَالارضَ مَدَدْنَهَا
مَدَدْ = madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade , lengthen
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... f%f3%cf%fa
[20.53] Yang telah menjadikan bagimu bumi sebagai hamparan dan Yang telah menjadikan bagimu di bumi itu jalan-jalan, dan menurunkan dari langit air hujan. Maka Kami tumbuhkan dengan air hujan itu berjenis-jenis dari tumbuh-tumbuhan yang bermacam-macam.
020.053
YUSUFALI: "He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-ardamahdan wasalaka lakum feeha subulan waanzala mina alssama-imaan faakhrajna bihi azwajan min nabatinshatta. الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمْ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا
مَهْدًا = mahdan = (Noun) cradle.or bed, (verb) flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... a%cf%f0%c7
[43.10] Yang menjadikan bumi untuk kamu sebagai tempat menetap dan Dia membuat jalan-jalan di atas bumi untuk kamu supaya kamu mendapat petunjuk.
043.010
YUSUFALI: (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-ardamahdan wajaAAala lakum feeha subulan laAAallakum tahtadoona. الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمْ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا
مَهْدًا = mahdan = (Noun) cradle.or bed, (verb) flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off
[50.7] Dan Kami hamparkan bumi itu dan Kami letakkan padanya gunung-gunung yang kokoh dan Kami tumbuhkan padanya segala macam tanaman yang indah dipandang mata,
050.007
YUSUFALI: And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
Waal-arda madadnahawaalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli zawjin baheejin وَالارضَ مَدَدْنَهَا
مَدَدْ = madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade , lengthen
[51.48] Dan bumi itu Kami hamparkan; maka sebaik-baik yang menghamparkan (adalah Kami).
Waal-arda farashnahafaniAAma almahidoona.وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَهَا فَنِعْمَ الْمَهِدُونَ
فَرَشَْ = farasha = provide with furniture , flatten , outspread , pervade , circulate , cement , grade , unwind , stretch , expand , flat , range , reach , ram , spread out , lengthen , sprawl , unfold , level off , roll out , level
الْمَهِدُونَ from مَهِدُ = flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... =%e3%e5%cf
[71.19] Dan Allah menjadikan bumi untukmu sebagai hamparan, (kata 'karpet' kok nggak tercakup dlm versi bhs Indonesianya ?)
071.019
YUSUFALI: "'And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),
WaAllahu jaAAala lakumu al-ardabisatan وَاللَّهُ جَعَلَ لَكُمْ الْأَرْضَ بِسَاطًا
بِسَاطًا = bisaatan = drugget , carpet , rug
from the verb بسط = outspread , flatten , flat , even , ram , grade , level off , outstretch , pave , level , smoothen , roll , cement
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... 7%d8%f0%c7
[78.6] Bukankah Kami telah menjadikan bumi itu sebagai hamparan?
078.006
YUSUFALI: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,
Alam najAAali al-arda mihadan أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ الأرْضَ مِهَادًا
مهاد = flat land , flat , plain , ramming
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... 7%cf%f0%c7
[79.30] Dan bumi sesudah itu dihamparkan-Nya.
079.030
YUSUFALI: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
Dlm ayat ini, ada Muslim yg mengatakan bahwa Quran mengatakan bahwa bumi 'berbentuk telur.' Mereka mengatakan bahwa 'dahaha' = berbentuk telur, tapi ini sama sekali salah.
Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha وَالأرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا
دَحَا = daha=spread out , level off , level. The last ha = هَا in dahaha means this. So dahaha actually means spread out this, level off this, level this.
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... =%cf%cd%c7
[88.20] Dan bumi bagaimana ia dihamparkan ?
088.020
YUSUFALI: And at the Earth, how it is spread out?
Wa-ila al-ardi kayfa sutihat وَإِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَيْفَ سُطِحَتْ
Perhatikan kata سَطَّحَ (?). Kalau kami mencari katanya dgn 'word search' di internet dlm Quran Arab, anda akan menemukan kata سطحت , bentuk feminin bagi سَطَّحَ
سَطَّحَ = outspread , unfold , unroll , roll , lengthen , level , range , pave , pervade , circulate , grade , reach , even , level off , spread out , prostrate , plane , outstretch, flat , flatten , even , smoothen.
[91.6] dan bumi serta penghamparannya,
091.006
YUSUFALI: By the Earth and its (wide) expanse:
PICKTHAL: And the earth and Him Who spread it,
SHAKIR: And the earth and Him Who extended it,
Waal-ardi wama tahaha وَالأرْضِ وَمَا طَحَاهَا
[2.22] Dialah Yang menjadikan bumi sebagai hamparan bagimu dan langit sebagai atap, dan Dia menurunkan air (hujan) dari langit, lalu Dia menghasilkan dengan hujan itu segala buah-buahan sebagai rezeki untukmu; karena itu janganlah kamu mengadakan sekutu-sekutu bagi Allah, padahal kamu mengetahui.
002.022
YUSUFALI: Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).
الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ
الأَرْضَ فِرَاشاً وَالسَّمَاء بِنَاء وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَخْرَجَ
بِهِ مِنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ رِزْقاً لَّكُمْ فَلاَ تَجْعَلُواْ لِلّهِ أَندَاداً وَأَنتُمْ
تَعْلَمُونَ
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda firashan waalssamaa binaan waanzala mina alssama-i maan faakhraja bihi mina alththamarati rizqan lakum fala tajAAaloo lillahi andadan waantum taAAlamoona
Saya menemukan kesalahan dlm terjemahan bhs Inggrisnya. Kata 'langit' atau 'canopy' diambil dari kata binaa atau binaan( بِنَاء ). Padahal artinya dlm bahasa Arab, bina atau binaan berarti GEDUNG. Jadi langit adalah gedung bertingkat tinggi diatas bumi. Ada tujuh lapisan atau tingkatan pada gedung ini yg disebut langit. Langit2 ini dibangun atas fondasi 'datar' yg disebut 'bumi.'
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_2 ... d=building
Tafsir Ibn Kathir mengatakan hal yang sama:
http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=1494Ayat2 ini menunjukkan bahwa Allah mulai mencipta dgn menciptakan buni, lalu ia membuat langit kedalam 7 lapisan. Ini biasanya cara memulai mendirikan bangunan, dgn lantai dasar dulu dan baru meningkat ke lantai2 diatasnya.
Juga, ayat yg mengatakan bahwa mtahari terbenam dlm kolam keruh mendukung pendapat bahwa bumi = datar menurut Quran.
018.086
YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
In this next verse we are told that its only the mountains who disrupt the earth from being completly flat.
018.047
YUSUFALI: One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.
Another very strong argument is how the ramadan gets all fucked up because of todays timezones. A flat earth would NOT have timezones.
See this thread: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6402
Muslim Defence
"Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day And He merges Day into Night?" [31:29]
"He created the heavens And the earth In true (proportions): He makes the Night Overlap the Day, and the Day Overlap the Night." [39:5]
"That is because Allah merges the night into the day, and He merges the day into the night. And verily, Allah is All-Hearer, All-Seer. [22:61]"
Muslim claim: "Merging here means that the night slowly and gradually changes to day and vice versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the earth was flat, there would have been a sudden change from night to day and from day to night."
This claim is false, the gradual shift from day to night and vice versa would still happen on a flat earth model. The only diffrence is that the flat earth model would be lit up at the same time, there would be no timezones just the same night and day for everyone.
You can do the experiment yourself. All you need is a dark room a table and an flashlight. Then simply let the flashlight rise slowly above the egde of the table, just like a sunrise, and you will see gradual change from darkness to light. So verse 31:29, 39:5 and 22:61, tells us nothing of the earths shape they are just mere observations any man can do.
Muslim claim: "Verse 79:30 decribes the earth as eggshaped, more precisely the egg of an ostrich, because of the word dahaha"
This claim is very popular among muslims, but its very wrong. Lets take a look at verse 79:30.
[079.030] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha
وَالأرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا
دَحَا = daha=spread out , level off , level. The last ha = هَا in dahaha means this. So dahaha actually means spread out this, level off this, level this.
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... =%cf%cd%c7
Does "Dahaha" really mean egg-shaped?
In Arabic, each word must be derived from its root. The root usually consists of three letters that can be manipulated, by adding vowels, prefixes and suffixes in order to produce different words with different meanings.
For example, "ka-ta-ba" (to write) is the root for many words such as kitab (book), maktaba (library), katib (author), maktoob (written), kitabat (writings) etc...
Let's now take the word you mentioned to mean egg of an ostrich, "Duhiya". This word is NOT a root. It is a noun and is derived from "da-ha-wa", the same root that the verb "dahaha" comes from.
Furthermore, Duhiya doesn't even mean the egg of an ostrich! This is what the most respected dictionaries have to say on this subject:
From Lisan Al Arab:
Quote:
الأُدْحِيُّ و الإدْحِيُّ و الأُدْحِيَّة و الإدْحِيَّة و الأُدْحُوّة مَبِيض النعام في الرمل , وزنه أُفْعُول من ذلك , لأَن النعامة تَدْحُوه برِجْلها ثم تَبِيض فيه وليس للنعام عُشٌّ . و مَدْحَى النعام : موضع بيضها , و أُدْحِيُّها موضعها الذي تُفَرِّخ فيه .ِ
Translation: "Al-udhy, Al-idhy, Al-udhiyya, Al-idhiyya, Al-udhuwwa:The place in sand where an ostrich lays its egg. That's because the ostrich spreads out the earth with its feet then lays its eggs there, an ostrich doesn't have a nest."
As for the meaning for the verb "dahaha", it's unanimously agreed on by all Arabic dictionaries:
Al Qamoos Al Muheet:
Quote:
(دَحَا): الله الأرضَ
(يَدْحُوهَا وَيَدْحَاهَا دَحْواً) بَسَطَها
"Allah daha the Earth: He spread it out."
Al Waseet:
Quote:
دَحَا الشيءَ: بسطه ووسعه. يقال: دحا اللهُ الأَرض
"To daha something: means to spread it out. For example: Allah daha the Earth."
Lisan Al Arab:
Quote:
الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . دَحَا الأَرضَ يَدْحُوها دَحْواً بَسَطَها . وقال الفراء في قوله والأَرض بعد ذلك دَحاها قال : بَسَطَها ; قال شمر : وأَنشدتني أَعرابية : الحمدُ لله الذي أَطاقَا
بَنَى السماءَ فَوْقَنا طِباقَا
ثم دَحا الأَرضَ فما أَضاقا
قال شمر : وفسرته فقالت دَحَا الأَرضَ أَوْسَعَها ; وأَنشد ابن بري لزيد بن عمرو بن نُفَيْل : دَحَاها , فلما رآها اسْتَوَتْ
على الماء , أَرْسَى عليها الجِبالا
و دَحَيْتُ الشيءَ أَدْحاهُ دَحْياً بَسَطْته , لغة في دَحَوْتُه ; حكاها اللحياني . وفي حديث عليّ وصلاتهِ , اللهم دَاحِيَ المَدْحُوَّاتِ يعني باسِطَ الأَرَضِينَ ومُوَسِّعَها , ويروى ; دَاحِيَ المَدْحِيَّاتِ . و الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . يقال : دَحَا يَدْحُو و يَدْحَى أَي بَسَطَ ووسع
"To daha the earth: means to spread it out."
Then it mentions a couple of Arabic poems that confirm this meaning. I won't translate the rest but anyone who can read Arabic will find this to be the definitive proof that Daha means to spread out.
Also, Ibn Kathir agrees with me in his commentary on the Quran:
Quote:
(30. And after that He spread the earth,)
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=79&tid=56944
Conclusion: While verse 015.019, 020.053, 043.010, 050.007, 051.048, 071.019, 078.006, 079.030, 088.020 and 091.006 ALL clearly states that the earth is flat. And not a single verse in the koran tells or even hints us that the shape of the earth is anything else than flat, the conclusion is clear; according to the Koran the earth is flat as a pancake.