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SAINS dalam QURAN ***

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SAINS dalam QURAN ***

Postby ali5196 » Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:57 pm

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Menantang SAINS DALAM QURAN

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6713

Quran mengatakan :
bumi datar
bumi tidak bergerak
bulan dan matahari adalah lampu yang menghias atap langit
langit adalah atap yang tidak dapat ditembus dan berdiri diatas tonggak/pilar tidak nampak
meteor adalah missiles yang dilemparkan kepada jin
bulan dan matahari bergerak dalam "dome in an arch"
matahari tenggelam dalam kolam keruh

BUMI DATAR

Terjemahan Quran dlm bahasa indonesia:
http://www.hashkalionline.de/qurani/ind ... ura15.html

[15.19] Dan Kami telah menghamparkan bumi dan menjadikan padanya gunung-gunung dan Kami tumbuhkan padanya segala sesuatu menurut ukuran.

015.019
YUSUFALI: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

Waal-arda madadnahawaalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli shay-in mawzoonin. وَالارضَ مَدَدْنَهَا


مَدَدْ = madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade , lengthen

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... f%f3%cf%fa
[20.53] Yang telah menjadikan bagimu bumi sebagai hamparan dan Yang telah menjadikan bagimu di bumi itu jalan-jalan, dan menurunkan dari langit air hujan. Maka Kami tumbuhkan dengan air hujan itu berjenis-jenis dari tumbuh-tumbuhan yang bermacam-macam.

020.053
YUSUFALI: "He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.

Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-ardamahdan wasalaka lakum feeha subulan waanzala mina alssama-imaan faakhrajna bihi azwajan min nabatinshatta. الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمْ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا


مَهْدًا = mahdan = (Noun) cradle.or bed, (verb) flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... a%cf%f0%c7

[43.10] Yang menjadikan bumi untuk kamu sebagai tempat menetap dan Dia membuat jalan-jalan di atas bumi untuk kamu supaya kamu mendapat petunjuk.

043.010
YUSUFALI: (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);

Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-ardamahdan wajaAAala lakum feeha subulan laAAallakum tahtadoona. الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمْ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا


مَهْدًا = mahdan = (Noun) cradle.or bed, (verb) flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off

[50.7] Dan Kami hamparkan bumi itu dan Kami letakkan padanya gunung-gunung yang kokoh dan Kami tumbuhkan padanya segala macam tanaman yang indah dipandang mata,

050.007
YUSUFALI: And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-

Waal-arda madadnahawaalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli zawjin baheejin وَالارضَ مَدَدْنَهَا


مَدَدْ = madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade , lengthen

[51.48] Dan bumi itu Kami hamparkan; maka sebaik-baik yang menghamparkan (adalah Kami).

Waal-arda farashnahafaniAAma almahidoona.وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَهَا فَنِعْمَ الْمَهِدُون
َ

فَرَشَْ = farasha = provide with furniture , flatten , outspread , pervade , circulate , cement , grade , unwind , stretch , expand , flat , range , reach , ram , spread out , lengthen , sprawl , unfold , level off , roll out , level

الْمَهِدُونَ from مَهِدُ = flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... =%e3%e5%cf


[71.19] Dan Allah menjadikan bumi untukmu sebagai hamparan, (kata 'karpet' kok nggak tercakup dlm versi bhs Indonesianya ?)

071.019
YUSUFALI: "'And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),

WaAllahu jaAAala lakumu al-ardabisatan وَاللَّهُ جَعَلَ لَكُمْ الْأَرْضَ بِسَاطًا


بِسَاطًا = bisaatan = drugget , carpet , rug
from the verb بسط = outspread , flatten , flat , even , ram , grade , level off , outstretch , pave , level , smoothen , roll , cement

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... 7%d8%f0%c7
[78.6] Bukankah Kami telah menjadikan bumi itu sebagai hamparan?
078.006
YUSUFALI: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,
Alam najAAali al-arda mihadan أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ الأرْضَ مِهَادًا


مهاد = flat land , flat , plain , ramming
http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... 7%cf%f0%c7

[79.30] Dan bumi sesudah itu dihamparkan-Nya.
079.030
YUSUFALI: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);


Dlm ayat ini, ada Muslim yg mengatakan bahwa Quran mengatakan bahwa bumi 'berbentuk telur.' Mereka mengatakan bahwa 'dahaha' = berbentuk telur, tapi ini sama sekali salah.

Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha وَالأرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا

دَحَا = daha=spread out , level off , level. The last ha = هَا in dahaha means this. So dahaha actually means spread out this, level off this, level this.

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... =%cf%cd%c7
[88.20] Dan bumi bagaimana ia dihamparkan ?
088.020
YUSUFALI: And at the Earth, how it is spread out?

Wa-ila al-ardi kayfa sutihat وَإِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَيْفَ سُطِحَتْ


Perhatikan kata سَطَّحَ (?). Kalau kami mencari katanya dgn 'word search' di internet dlm Quran Arab, anda akan menemukan kata سطحت , bentuk feminin bagi سَطَّحَ

سَطَّحَ = outspread , unfold , unroll , roll , lengthen , level , range , pave , pervade , circulate , grade , reach , even , level off , spread out , prostrate , plane , outstretch, flat , flatten , even , smoothen.


[91.6] dan bumi serta penghamparannya,
091.006
YUSUFALI: By the Earth and its (wide) expanse:
PICKTHAL: And the earth and Him Who spread it,
SHAKIR: And the earth and Him Who extended it,

Waal-ardi wama tahaha وَالأرْضِ وَمَا طَحَاهَا


[2.22] Dialah Yang menjadikan bumi sebagai hamparan bagimu dan langit sebagai atap, dan Dia menurunkan air (hujan) dari langit, lalu Dia menghasilkan dengan hujan itu segala buah-buahan sebagai rezeki untukmu; karena itu janganlah kamu mengadakan sekutu-sekutu bagi Allah, padahal kamu mengetahui.
002.022
YUSUFALI: Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).

الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ
الأَرْضَ فِرَاشاً وَالسَّمَاء بِنَاء وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَخْرَجَ
بِهِ مِنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ رِزْقاً لَّكُمْ فَلاَ تَجْعَلُواْ لِلّهِ أَندَاداً وَأَنتُمْ
تَعْلَمُونَ

Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda firashan waalssamaa binaan waanzala mina alssama-i maan faakhraja bihi mina alththamarati rizqan lakum fala tajAAaloo lillahi andadan waantum taAAlamoona


Saya menemukan kesalahan dlm terjemahan bhs Inggrisnya. Kata 'langit' atau 'canopy' diambil dari kata binaa atau binaan( بِنَاء ). Padahal artinya dlm bahasa Arab, bina atau binaan berarti GEDUNG. Jadi langit adalah gedung bertingkat tinggi diatas bumi. Ada tujuh lapisan atau tingkatan pada gedung ini yg disebut langit. Langit2 ini dibangun atas fondasi 'datar' yg disebut 'bumi.'

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_2 ... d=building


Tafsir Ibn Kathir mengatakan hal yang sama:
Ayat2 ini menunjukkan bahwa Allah mulai mencipta dgn menciptakan buni, lalu ia membuat langit kedalam 7 lapisan. Ini biasanya cara memulai mendirikan bangunan, dgn lantai dasar dulu dan baru meningkat ke lantai2 diatasnya.

http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=1494

Juga, ayat yg mengatakan bahwa mtahari terbenam dlm kolam keruh mendukung pendapat bahwa bumi = datar menurut Quran.


018.086
YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

In this next verse we are told that its only the mountains who disrupt the earth from being completly flat.

018.047
YUSUFALI: One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.

Another very strong argument is how the ramadan gets all fucked up because of todays timezones. A flat earth would NOT have timezones.
See this thread: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6402

Muslim Defence

"Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day And He merges Day into Night?" [31:29]
"He created the heavens And the earth In true (proportions): He makes the Night Overlap the Day, and the Day Overlap the Night." [39:5]
"That is because Allah merges the night into the day, and He merges the day into the night. And verily, Allah is All-Hearer, All-Seer. [22:61]"

Muslim claim: "Merging here means that the night slowly and gradually changes to day and vice versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the earth was flat, there would have been a sudden change from night to day and from day to night."

This claim is false, the gradual shift from day to night and vice versa would still happen on a flat earth model. The only diffrence is that the flat earth model would be lit up at the same time, there would be no timezones just the same night and day for everyone.

You can do the experiment yourself. All you need is a dark room a table and an flashlight. Then simply let the flashlight rise slowly above the egde of the table, just like a sunrise, and you will see gradual change from darkness to light. So verse 31:29, 39:5 and 22:61, tells us nothing of the earths shape they are just mere observations any man can do.

Muslim claim: "Verse 79:30 decribes the earth as eggshaped, more precisely the egg of an ostrich, because of the word dahaha"

This claim is very popular among muslims, but its very wrong. Lets take a look at verse 79:30.

[079.030] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

وَالأرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا

دَحَا = daha=spread out , level off , level. The last ha = هَا in dahaha means this. So dahaha actually means spread out this, level off this, level this.

http://dictionary.ajeeb.com/idrisidic_1 ... =%cf%cd%c7

Does "Dahaha" really mean egg-shaped?

In Arabic, each word must be derived from its root. The root usually consists of three letters that can be manipulated, by adding vowels, prefixes and suffixes in order to produce different words with different meanings.
For example, "ka-ta-ba" (to write) is the root for many words such as kitab (book), maktaba (library), katib (author), maktoob (written), kitabat (writings) etc...

Let's now take the word you mentioned to mean egg of an ostrich, "Duhiya". This word is NOT a root. It is a noun and is derived from "da-ha-wa", the same root that the verb "dahaha" comes from.
Furthermore, Duhiya doesn't even mean the egg of an ostrich! This is what the most respected dictionaries have to say on this subject:

From Lisan Al Arab:

Quote:
الأُدْحِيُّ و الإدْحِيُّ و الأُدْحِيَّة و الإدْحِيَّة و الأُدْحُوّة مَبِيض النعام في الرمل , وزنه أُفْعُول من ذلك , لأَن النعامة تَدْحُوه برِجْلها ثم تَبِيض فيه وليس للنعام عُشٌّ . و مَدْحَى النعام : موضع بيضها , و أُدْحِيُّها موضعها الذي تُفَرِّخ فيه .ِ


Translation: "Al-udhy, Al-idhy, Al-udhiyya, Al-idhiyya, Al-udhuwwa:The place in sand where an ostrich lays its egg. That's because the ostrich spreads out the earth with its feet then lays its eggs there, an ostrich doesn't have a nest."

As for the meaning for the verb "dahaha", it's unanimously agreed on by all Arabic dictionaries:

Al Qamoos Al Muheet:
Quote:
(دَحَا): الله الأرضَ
(يَدْحُوهَا وَيَدْحَاهَا دَحْواً) بَسَطَها


"Allah daha the Earth: He spread it out."

Al Waseet:
Quote:
دَحَا الشيءَ: بسطه ووسعه. يقال: دحا اللهُ الأَرض


"To daha something: means to spread it out. For example: Allah daha the Earth."

Lisan Al Arab:
Quote:
الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . دَحَا الأَرضَ يَدْحُوها دَحْواً بَسَطَها . وقال الفراء في قوله والأَرض بعد ذلك دَحاها قال : بَسَطَها ; قال شمر : وأَنشدتني أَعرابية : الحمدُ لله الذي أَطاقَا

بَنَى السماءَ فَوْقَنا طِباقَا

ثم دَحا الأَرضَ فما أَضاقا

قال شمر : وفسرته فقالت دَحَا الأَرضَ أَوْسَعَها ; وأَنشد ابن بري لزيد بن عمرو بن نُفَيْل : دَحَاها , فلما رآها اسْتَوَتْ

على الماء , أَرْسَى عليها الجِبالا

و دَحَيْتُ الشيءَ أَدْحاهُ دَحْياً بَسَطْته , لغة في دَحَوْتُه ; حكاها اللحياني . وفي حديث عليّ وصلاتهِ , اللهم دَاحِيَ المَدْحُوَّاتِ يعني باسِطَ الأَرَضِينَ ومُوَسِّعَها , ويروى ; دَاحِيَ المَدْحِيَّاتِ . و الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . يقال : دَحَا يَدْحُو و يَدْحَى أَي بَسَطَ ووسع


"To daha the earth: means to spread it out."
Then it mentions a couple of Arabic poems that confirm this meaning. I won't translate the rest but anyone who can read Arabic will find this to be the definitive proof that Daha means to spread out.

Also, Ibn Kathir agrees with me in his commentary on the Quran:
Quote:
(30. And after that He spread the earth,)


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=79&tid=56944

Conclusion: While verse 015.019, 020.053, 043.010, 050.007, 051.048, 071.019, 078.006, 079.030, 088.020 and 091.006 ALL clearly states that the earth is flat. And not a single verse in the koran tells or even hints us that the shape of the earth is anything else than flat, the conclusion is clear; according to the Koran the earth is flat as a pancake.
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Postby ali5196 » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:05 pm

A Qur’anic Understanding of the Universe
Written by: THHuxley

Among the more bizarre arguments used by Islamic apologists is the claim that the Qur’an contains scientific information that could not have been known 1400 years ago. Needless to say, the slightest bit of critical review invariably shows such claims to be entirely specious. There does not exist in the Qur’an any correct information that was not already known to ancient civilizations that long preceded the birth of Muhammad.

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Postby ali5196 » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:13 pm

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt ... 6658#26658
The Qur'an refers to seven heavens:

Quote:
071.015
YUSUFALI: "'See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another,
PICKTHAL: See ye not how Allah hath created seven heavens in harmony,
SHAKIR: Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens ,~ one above another,

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Postby ali5196 » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:22 pm

QURAN PREDICTED LAND DECREASING

INTRODUCTION
Dr Al Zeiny, PhD, claims a ‘so-called’ proof of Quranic Science by positing the proposition that the Quran correctly predicted the geological fact that land is decreasing due to the movements of tectonic plates. He cites verses 13:41 and 21:44 as evidence.

INTRODUCTION
Dr Al Zeiny, PhD, claims a ‘so-called’ proof of Quranic Science by positing the proposition that the Quran correctly predicted the geological fact that land is decreasing due to the movements of tectonic plates. He cites verses 13:41 and 21:44 as evidence.

ANALYSIS
Quote:
Quran and Modern Science
Dr. Al Zeiny, Ph.D. in Civil Engineering
Koranic School Graduate
Assistant Professor of Civil Engineering
University of Evansville
http://www2.evansville.edu/msa/PagesFor ... cience.pps

Land is decreasing due to the movements of tectonic plates.

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Postby ali5196 » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:24 pm

QURAN PREDICTED BLACK HOLES AND PULSARS

INTRODUCTION
Harun Yahya makes many claims of Quranic Science. This article seeks to debunk two such claims, namely that the Quran predicted black holes and pulsars.

I will show the absurdity of the black hole claim, while showing the pulsar claim to be conjectural and devoid of factual basis. In doing so, I will also show Harun Yahya’s self-contradiction as he used the same Quranic verse to ‘prove’ both the black hole and the pulsar. Now, even to the uninitiated, it would seem impossible for something to be both a black hole and a pulsar. However, Islamists do not appear to be inhibited by such constraints of logic.


ANALYSIS
Quote:
http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/rama ... _day30.php
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_37.html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm

BLACK HOLES

The 20th century saw a great many new discoveries regarding celestial phenomena in the universe. One of these entities, which has only recently been encountered, is the Black Hole. These are formed when a star which has consumed all its fuel collapses in on itself, eventually turning into a black hole with infinite density and zero volume and an immensely powerful magnetic field. We are unable to see black holes even with the most powerful telescope, because their gravitational pull is so strong that light is unable to escape from them. However, such a collapsed star can be perceived by means of the effect it has on the surrounding area. In Surat al-Waqi'a, Allah draws attention this matter in this way, by swearing upon the position of stars:

And I swear by the stars' positions-and that is a mighty oath if you only knew. (Qur'an, 56:75-76)

This verse doesn’t say anything about a collapsed star. Only the position of the stars. It is the conjecture of the Islamist that the verse refers to collapsed stars. In fact, some translations allude to shooting or falling stars, i.e. meteors.

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QURAN DESCRIBES GENDER DETERMINATION BY SPERM

INTRODUCTION
Various Islamists make the usual Islamic polemic about how Quran can be proved by modern scientific knowledge, using the old canard about how the Quran is the only ancient book that states that gender is determined by the sperm. In this, they may point out the ignorance of the Greeks who thought gender was determined by the relative strengths of sperm from the male and female parents as Hippocrates imagined. http://www.aquaire.clara.co.uk/

This article does not seek to prove that the ancient Egyptians shared some aspects of our modern understanding of gender determination and reproduction. It merely aims to show that the Quran was not the first religious text to suggest that gender is determined by the semen of the male parent.

THE ISLAMIST CLAIM
An example of the Islamists making the claim that the Quran is the only ancient book that correctly outlines gender determination is Dr Al Zeiny, Assistant Professor of Civil Engineering, University of Evansville.

Quote:
Until fairly recently, it was thought that a baby's sex was determined by the mother's cells. Or at least, it was believed that the sex was determined by the male and female cells together. The Quran is the only ancient book that states that sex is determined by the sperms.

"He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of a sperm which has been ejected." (The Qur'an, 53:45-46)

This is repeated by Dr. Zakir Naik of the Islamic Research Foundation.

Quote:
The sex of a fetus is determined by the nature of the sperm and not the ovum. The sex of the child, whether female or male, depends on whether the 23rd pair of chromosomes is XX or XY respectively. Primarily sex determination occurs at fertilization and depends upon the type of sex chromosome in the sperm that fertilizes an ovum. If it is an ‘X’ bearing sperm that fertilizes the ovum, the fetus is a female and if it is a ‘Y’ bearing sperm then the fetus is a male. “That He did create In pairs – male and female, From a seed when lodged (In its place).” [Al-Qur’aan 53:45-46]

The Arabic word nutfah means a minute quantity of liquid and tumnâ means ejaculated or planted. Therefore nutfah specifically refers to sperm because it is ejaculated. The Qur’aan says: “Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (In lowly form)? “Then did he become A clinging clot; Then did (Allah) make And fashion (him) In due proportion. “And of him He made Two sexes, male And female.” [Al-Qur’aan 75:37-39]

Here again it is mentioned that a small quantity (drop) of sperm (indicated by the word nutfatan min maniyyin) which comes from the man is responsible for the sex of the fetus.

Mothers-in-law in the Indian subcontinent, by and large prefer having male grandchildren and often blame their daughters-in-law if the child is not of the desired sex. If only they knew that the determining factor is the nature of the male sperm and not the female ovum! If they were to blame anybody, they should blame their sons and not their daughters-in-law since both the Qur’aan and Science hold that it is the male fluid that is responsible for the sex of the child!

ANALYSIS
The question is: Are the Islamists correct in asserting that the Quran is the only ancient book that states that gender is determined by the sperm of the male parent?

I think not. At least some of the ancient Egyptians clearly believed that the gender of progeny is determined by the sperm of the male parent. http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoic ... ality.html

Quote:
Atem is he who masturbated in Iunu (On, Heliopolis). He took his phallus in his grasp that he might create orgasm by means of it, and so were born the twins Shu and Tefnut.

-- Pyramid Text 1248-49

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CONCLUSION
It is apparent that some of the ancient Egyptians believed that gender is created by the sperm from the male parent, and reproduction is via male and female union. This belief predated the Quran by about 2,900 years as evidenced by the pyramid text of Pharaoh Pepi I, 2332-2283 BCE.
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Postby ali5196 » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:26 pm

QURAN AND EMBRYOLOGY

INTRODUCTION
There are propagations of the Quranic ‘so-called’ Embryology by such luminaries as Dr Keith Moore and Dr Maurice Bucaille. These works are aped by such Islamic scholars as Dr Al Zeiny, Dr Zakir Naik, Dr Ibrahim Syed, Dr. Sharif Kaf Al-Ghazal, and the ubiquitous Harun Yahya aka Adnan Oktar. A good additional material is provided by Dr Omar Abdul Rehman in which he goes into even greater detail in his attempt to validate the Quranic ‘human reproduction’ verses with modern scientific facts. http://www.aquaire.clara.co.uk/

There are many excellent debunkings of the Quranic Embryology Pseudoscience (“QEP”). A short list would include these:

http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/embryo.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CJ/CJ533.html
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Science/embryo.html
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt ... xley#26725

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CONCLUSION
The Quranic Pseudoscience Embryology can be seen to be false due to the following points:
1. The Quran itself omits mention of the ovum in human reproduction, with doctrinal evidence that it regards the progeny to be the resulting union between the seed from the male parent and the female parent as tilth. As tilth do not provide genetic material to the seed, it is abundantly clear that the Quran regards the nutfah (sperm) as the diploid seed.

2. The Quran includes an initial dust stage that cannot be reconciled with modern embryology.

3. The missing stages of verse 40:67 contradict the other embryology verses.

4. The stage of bone formation is in error, even assuming that izhaam means both bone and cartilage.

5. The Quranic view of cell differentiation at the Mudgha stage is incorrect, as modern embryology has discovered cell differentiation occurring before and after the putative ‘Mudgha’ stage.

6. The QEP claim that Quran correctly predicted the beginning of the fetal stage is debunked because the transition between the embryo and the fetus is arbitrary.

7. The QEP claim that the Quran correctly states the least period of conception at 24 weeks is in error, as according to modern medical knowledge this period is closer to 21-22 weeks or even less with advanced medical science, and at least 30 weeks without modern medical assistance.
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Postby ali5196 » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:07 pm

with thanks to Adadeh

METEOR BUAT TEMBAK JIN :
http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... .php?t=619

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/si ... _stars.htm

Meteor Terbang Digunakan sebagai Misil untuk Menembak Jin

Sama seperti orang2 Bedouin pengikutnya, Muhammad percaya hal2 takhayul seperti makhluk2 halus dan hantu yang dia sebut sebagai Jin. Para Jin ini katanya terbuat dari api dan berdiri di atas pundak Jin lain, bertumpuk-tumpuk sampai ke surga untuk mendengar gossip di surga. Tapi bagian yang paling menggelikan adalah Sang Nabi percaya bahwa bintang2 dan meteor2 terbang di langit adalah misil (peluru proyektil) yang dilemparkan untuk menembak para Jin yang lagi mendengarkan gosip di surga.

Q 72:8
dan sesungguhnya kami telah mencoba mengetahui (rahasia) langit, maka kami mendapatinya penuh dengan penjagaan yang kuat dan panah-panah api,

Q 72:9
dan sesungguhnya kami dahulu dapat menduduki beberapa tempat di langit itu untuk mendengar-dengarkan (berita-beritanya). Tetapi sekarang barangsiapa yang (mencoba) mendengar-dengarkan (seperti itu) tentu akan menjumpai panah api yang mengintai (untuk membakarnya).

Muhammad mengulangi khayalannya lagi:

Q. 37: 6-10
Sesungguhnya Kami telah menghias langit yang terdekat dengan hiasan, yaitu bintang-bintang,
Dan telah memeliharanya (sebenar-benarnya) dari setiap syaitan yang sangat durhaka,
Syaitan syaitan itu tidak dapat mendengarkan (pembicaraan) para malaikat dan mereka dilempari dari segala penjuru.
Untuk mengusir mereka dan bagi mereka siksaan yang kekal,
Akan tetapi barangsiapa (di antara mereka) yang mencuri-curi (pembicaraan); maka ia dikejar oleh suluh api yang cemerlang.

Dan

Q. 67: 5
Sesungguhnya Kami telah menghiasi langit yang dekat dengan bintang-bintang, dan Kami jadikan bintang-bintang itu alat-alat pelempar syaitan, dan Kami sediakan bagi mereka siksa neraka yang menyala-nyala.

Muhammad membayangkan jagad raya seperti yang dikisahkan di dongeng para peri. Baginya bumi itu rata dan matahari terbit dari satu ujung dan terbenam di ujung lain ke dalam kolam keruh. Dalam bahasa Arab, kata “sama” bisa berarti surga dan langit. Dan bagi Muhammad, sama dengan pengikut2nya yang primitif, tidak ada perbedaan antara kedua hal itu. Dia menyatakan surga (langit) terdiri dari tujuh lapisan dan bintang2 terletak di lapisan terbawah, lebih bawah daripada letak Bulan. Dia pikir bintang2 hanyalah lampu2 yang menghiasi surga bagian bawah dan bintang2 ini juga digunakan sebagai misil (peluru proyektil) untuk menembak para Jin yang suka ingin tahu. Dapatkah orang jaman sekarang menerima dongeng yang dipercayai orang2 primitif itu? Bintang2 terbang/suluh2 api/panah api itu bukanlah bintang, tapi batu2 meteor yang menyala saat mereka masuk ke dalam atmosfir Bumi. Tapi Muhammad tidak bisa melihat perbedaannya. Bagi dia meteor itu adalah bintang.

Betapapun konyolnya ayat2 ini, orang2 Muslim jaman sekarang masih percaya bahwa Jin itu benar2 ada. Kisah para Jin ini ditulis di Qur’an dan bagi mereka, Qur’an merupakan perkataan Allah. Jadi mana mungkin salah? Ada pula Hadis yang menegaskan cerita di atas.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 432
Dikisahkan oleh 'Aisha:
Aku mendengar Rasul Allah berkata, “Para malaikat turun dari langit dan berkata tentang hal ini atau itu di Surga. Para Setan diam2 mendengarkan hal ini, dan turun (ke bumi) untuk mengilhami para ahli nujum dengan itu (gosip dari langit), dan para ahli nujum itu sendiri nantinya akan menambahkan seratus kebohongan (dari gosip tsb. ).

Hadis serupa dikisahkan di Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Buku 93, Nomer 650.
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Re: SAINS dalam QURAN ***

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Re: SAINS dalam QURAN ***

Postby Tuanku » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:47 pm

lhah kalian sendiri menyembah jin kok gak percaya kl jin itu ada, bisa kualat nanti...
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Re: SAINS dalam QURAN ***

Postby cekixkix » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:34 pm

Kheknya kalian kagak percaya klo sumber sains adalah Al Qu'ran...
Gue punya sumber hebat, neehhh kalian baca sendiri.... mudah-mudahan nyang mpunya blog tidak tidur... Cekixkix...kix...kix... ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

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Postby iluvboy.blogspot » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:25 pm

Dasar muslim, muslim emang udah kehilangan akal sehat dan hati nurani, yg dibahas apa yg dijadiin referensi apa, hapus tu ayat di quran yg bilang bulan bercahaya #-o
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Postby iluvboy.blogspot » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:12 pm

Maksud lo gw kristen, udah jelas lo orangnya asbun, ga penting banget nganggap omongan lo penting, liat ni:

10:5

huwa alladzii ja'ala alsysyamsa dhiyaa-an waalqamara nuuran waqaddarahu manaazila lita'lamuu 'adada alssiniina waalhisaaba maa khalaqa allaahu dzaalika illaa bialhaqqi yufashshilu al-aayaati liqawmin ya'lamuuna

Dia-lah yang menjadikan matahari bersinar dan bulan bercahaya dan ditetapkan-Nya manzilah-manzilah (tempat-tempat) bagi perjalanan bulan itu, supaya kamu mengetahui bilangan tahun dan perhitungan (waktu). Allah tidak menciptakan yang demikian itu melainkan dengan hak [669]. Dia menjelaskan tanda-tanda (kebesaran-Nya) kepada orang-orang yang mengetahui.

Dan pada ayat yg lain tertulis: cahaya allah, apakah dapat diartikan sebagai: sinar dari benda lain yg dipantulkan oleh allah :lol:

24:35

allaahu nuuru alssamaawaati waal-ardhi matsalu nuurihi kamisykaatin fiihaa mishbaahun almishbaahu fii zujaajatin alzzujaajatu ka-annahaa kawkabun durriyyun yuuqadu min syajaratin mubaarakatin zaytuunatin laa syarqiyyatin walaa gharbiyyatin yakaadu zaytuhaa yudhii-u walaw lam tamsas-hu naarun nuurun 'alaa nuurin yahdii allaahu linuurihi man yasyaau wayadhribu allaahu al-amtsaala lilnnaasi waallaahu bikulli syay-in 'aliimun

Allah (Pemberi) cahaya (kepada) langit dan bumi. Perumpamaan cahaya Allah, adalah seperti sebuah lubang yang tak tembus [1040], yang di dalamnya ada pelita besar. Pelita itu di dalam kaca (dan) kaca itu seakan-akan bintang (yang bercahaya) seperti mutiara, yang dinyalakan dengan minyak dari pohon yang berkahnya, (yaitu) pohon zaitun yang tumbuh tidak di sebelah timur (sesuatu) dan tidak pula di sebelah barat(nya) [1041], yang minyaknya (saja) hampir-hampir menerangi, walaupun tidak disentuh api. Cahaya di atas cahaya (berlapis-lapis), Allah membimbing kepada cahaya-Nya siapa yang dia kehendaki, dan Allah memperbuat perumpamaan-perumpamaan bagi manusia, dan Allah Maha Mengetahui segala sesuatu.

25:61

tabaaraka alladzii ja'ala fii alssamaa-i buruujan waja'ala fiihaa siraajan waqamaran muniiraan


Maha Suci Allah yang menjadikan di langit gugusan-gugusan bintang dan Dia menjadikan juga padanya matahari dan bulan yang bercahaya.


33: 46

wadaa'iyan ilaa allaahi bi-idznihi wasiraajan muniiraan

dan untuk jadi penyeru kepada Agama Allah dengan izin-Nya dan untuk jadi cahaya yang menerangi.
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