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orang ***** !ninja-racer wrote: gini... elu bilang islam itu sumber kejahatan. lu tambahin lg darimana menyimpulkannya? (tanpa jawaban)
jwbn gw dari kebencian & kedengkian yg mendalam. itulah awalnya.
pura2 **** apa giman neh?
lihat http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... 692#112692
aku tanya elu nanggapin mana, di simpulin langsung udah tertutup hatinya ...
BAWAHNYA baru gua bilang ...
untuk membuktikan, omonganmu ... "bingung2 deh lu. makanya org2 seperti elu sdh pasti ditutup pintu hatinya untuk menerima kebenaran." ... enak di jadikan untuk tambahan untuk omongan apa aja ....krn itu, islam adalah sumber kejahatan ...
darimana saya bisa menyimpulkan itu .... ?
"bingung2 deh lu. makanya org2 seperti elu sdh pasti ditutup pintu hatinya untuk menerima kebenaran."
contohnya: kalau aku bilang kalimat "islam sumber kejahatan" ... untuk mengantisipasi pertanyaan elu: apa buktinya ... gua tambahin aja kecap elu ... udah tertutup pintu hatinya, .... bla ... bla ... bla ...
lihat lagi link di atas ... lihat postingmu sebelumnya ... lihat elu nge-quote enggak bener ... gua kira, satu block tulisanku elu jawab gitu ... gua tanya ini untuk jawaban yg mana, eh, malah di kasih kecapnya muhammad (hati tertutup ....) ...!
begonya muhammad jangan di terusin gitu!
udah taqqiya, ... udah memproyeksikan kesalahan orang lain (di kira agama kristen itu asal telan aja - tanpa kasih ayat lagi ... padahal di quran & hadist sendiri bilang: jangan banyak tanya -> mirip tekniknya si muh) ... sekarang kebegoannya muhammad di terusin ...
belajar nge-quote yg bener ...
katanya tidak ada asap kalau tidak ada api ...bukankah ffi ladang penghinaan umat muslim.
selama gw melek internet, inilah forum paling sadis, biadab, dan tak bermoral yang menghujat islam. tapi selangkah pun sy gak akan surut utk melayani hinaan, cacian ataupun apa aja yang menyudutkan islam.
kalo perlu bikin gathering biar bisa face to face utk diskusi yang lebih beradab.
wassalam,
menganggapi komentarmu pertama .... elu enggak seneng langsung di kasih kecap: tertutup hatinya + tidak bisa melihat kebenaran (untuk menjawab kenapa saya bilang, islam sumber kejahatan) ? memang bener lho, elu udah tertutup hatinya ...gini... elu bilang islam itu sumber kejahatan. lu tambahin lg darimana menyimpulkannya? (tanpa jawaban)
sama ... gua tanya, jangan cuma di kasih kecap, tertutup hatinya ...
Tenang mas, akan saya baca baik2 copy paste anda.petrus wrote:kak.....agar dibaca dengan cermat, agar tidak malu2in dan wasted time dalam diskusi yang sudah didiskusikan orang2 berulang ulang kali.
Mas coba anda buka dan baca ayat2 Alkitab yg disebutin (Numbers 31:35-40 dan Numbers 31:35-40), ada gak disebutin perintah untuk menyetubuhi anak2 apalagi yg berumur 3 tahun???2- The Pedophilic Verses against 3-years old girls:
The pedophilic Biblical verses are Numbers 3d: 17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40............from the Jewish Talmud explaining the pedophilia that took place against the 3-years old slave girls under the direct command of Moses.
Kalo memang kitab Talmud menyebutkan ttg anak2 berusia 3 tahun, tunjukan dong jangan cuman ngomong doang tapi tidak disertai bukti2.
Kalo cuman asal ngomong sih semua orang juga bisa mas...
Yg saya minta bukti.....kalo benar sudah ada bukti-bukti sejarah yg menyatakan bahwa seorang kakek-kakek tua bangka mengawini anak-anak berusia 6 tahun dan peristiwa itu terjadi sebelum si "RAJA PHEDOPHIL" Muhamad mengawini Aisha maka saya akan mencabut julukan saya pada Muhamad yaitu : BAPA SEGALA ORANG PEDOPHILIA.
Buat para jahadis, belalah tuhan kalian si allah swt (sweet child o m ine). Melalui treat ini telah terbukti dia telah berbohong, dia bukanlah YAHWE seperti yg dikatannya. Dengan terbuktinya kebohongan si allah swt berarti terbukalah kedok agama Islam, agama Islam dan Muhamad adalah alat allah swt untuk menyesatkan dunia.
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dasar nasrani biadab... ternyata sama saja dengan YAHUDI yang sudah membunuh Nabi Isa as.orang ***** !
lihat http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... 692#112692
aku tanya elu nanggapin mana, di simpulin langsung udah tertutup hatinya ...
BAWAHNYA baru gua bilang ...
krn itu, islam adalah sumber kejahatan ...
darimana saya bisa menyimpulkan itu .... ?
"bingung2 deh lu. makanya org2 seperti elu sdh pasti ditutup pintu hatinya untuk menerima kebenaran."
semua omongan orang dgn enaknya dipelintirin (tipikal paulus sang penjahat), makanya jangan menyimpulkan dan memBEO aja...
harusnya elu-elu orang malu sama Islam krn kita sangat menghormati Nabi Isa as. Dasar otak kerdil dan ngga punya nyali aja makanya elu2 orang takut sama YAHUDI yang jelas2 pembunuh tuhanmu!!!
sekali pengecut tetap pengecut...untuk membuktikan, omonganmu ... "bingung2 deh lu. makanya org2 seperti elu sdh pasti ditutup pintu hatinya untuk menerima kebenaran." ... enak di jadikan untuk tambahan untuk omongan apa aja ....
contohnya: kalau aku bilang kalimat "islam sumber kejahatan" ... untuk mengantisipasi pertanyaan elu: apa buktinya ... gua tambahin aja kecap elu ... udah tertutup pintu hatinya, .... bla ... bla ... bla ...
lihat lagi link di atas ... lihat postingmu sebelumnya ... lihat elu nge-quote enggak bener ... gua kira, satu block tulisanku elu jawab gitu ... gua tanya ini untuk jawaban yg mana, eh, malah di kasih kecapnya muhammad (hati tertutup ....) ...!
begonya muhammad jangan di terusin gitu!
udah taqqiya, ... udah memproyeksikan kesalahan orang lain (di kira agama kristen itu asal telan aja - tanpa kasih ayat lagi ... padahal di quran & hadist sendiri bilang: jangan banyak tanya -> mirip tekniknya si muh) ... sekarang kebegoannya muhammad di terusin ...
belajar nge-quote yg bener ...
hehehehe... salah lagi kan lu... mikir deh apa kesalahan elu..katanya tidak ada asap kalau tidak ada api ...
ngga perlu muter2...menganggapi komentarmu pertama .... elu enggak seneng langsung di kasih kecap: tertutup hatinya + tidak bisa melihat kebenaran (untuk menjawab kenapa saya bilang, islam sumber kejahatan) ? memang bener lho, elu udah tertutup hatinya ...
sama ... gua tanya, jangan cuma di kasih kecap, tertutup hatinya ...
QS. Al-Baqarah 6-7 cari tau sendiri artinya, kalo ngga ketemu ntar gw kasi tau deh...
Wassalam,
Allow boca Kecil.... gw nantangin lo kalo mw maki Yesus jgn di rumah lo ( jgn di indonesia ) tp gw saranin lo kl mw maki Yesus silahkan Ke Amerika dan sbgnya ( negara Kristen )bocah wrote:DATANG KE RUMAH GW..DI JL.OTTO ISKANDARDINATA.JAKARTA-TIMUR......BIAR GW MAKI SI yesus.....
Sok hebat bgt lo...KLO PERLU SATU GEREJA SEKALIAN....KLO PERLU PAUS NYA SEKALIAN.....
Makanan Enak...?RUMAH GW BANYAK MAKANAN ENAK.....
Gw udah bosan makan makanan Enak...
Hampir setiap hari mama gw masak makanan yang enak² ( hong-ba,Daging rusa goreng,Babi rebus,Kakap Merah bakar,dan masih bnyk lagi
)akhirnya elu bisa belajar nge-quote dng benar ...ninja-racer wrote: dasar nasrani biadab... ternyata sama saja dengan YAHUDI yang sudah membunuh Nabi Isa as.
semua omongan orang dgn enaknya dipelintirin (tipikal paulus sang penjahat), makanya jangan menyimpulkan dan memBEO aja...
harusnya elu-elu orang malu sama Islam krn kita sangat menghormati Nabi Isa as. Dasar otak kerdil dan ngga punya nyali aja makanya elu2 orang takut sama YAHUDI yang jelas2 pembunuh tuhanmu!!!
ampir aja gua miss komen elu ini, kalau enggak elu perbaiki ...
kecap elu sendiri, enggak kamu terima ...
elu udah tertutup hatinya ... allah telah menutup hatimu dng dustanya, shg kamu tidak bisa melihat kejahatan di islam ...
coba, kalau allah, dng segala tricknya telah mengunci hatimu, bukankah kamu merasa bahwa tidak ada yg bisa menyadarkan ?
kalau allah yg jahat itu, yg ternyata membohongi elu ... bukankah hal ini klop dng pernyataan anda ... enggak ada yg bisa menyadarkan elu ....
Tuhan Yesus, elu anggap sbg manusia biasa... inikah hormat ?
hanya nabi, yg lebih rendah dari muhammad ... inikah hormat ... ?
mana yg lebih hormat .... ?
tahu enggak, kalian mestinya malu ... apalagi elu, yg kelihatannya (mungkin saya salah orang) bilang tidak ada pertentangan antara hadist dan quran ...
kalian sendiri mencatat muhammad itu pedofile ...
malah quran anda sendiri yg bilang muhammad itu tukang bunuh ... dan tukang tipu, yg memperbolehkan orang nipu, dsb ...
kalau saya mempunyai pendapat, bahwa semua di quran ttg pedofile (dsb) dan semua di quran ttg perintah membunuh, perintah menipu adalah kebohongan orang islam (bukan omongan muhammad & allah), bukankah saya lebih 'menghormati' muhammad ... ?
kelewatan gara2x quote anda yg ngawur ... inikah pengecut ?sekali pengecut tetap pengecut...
dasar islam ...
ngaca ... elu sendiri salah, masih aja enggak ngaku, masih aja nunjuk2x orang ...hehehehe... salah lagi kan lu... mikir deh apa kesalahan elu..
gua tahu artinya: kalau allah mengunci hati, enggak ada yg bisa membukakan ...ngga perlu muter2...
QS. Al-Baqarah 6-7 cari tau sendiri artinya, kalo ngga ketemu ntar gw kasi tau deh...
Wassalam,
kalau allah itu Tuhan, memang bener ... allah yg kejam semacam ini; tentu tidak ada yg bisa mengalahkan kekuatannya ... seberapa hebatnya dakwah elu, enggak mungkin bisa membuka kunci hati oleh allah ...
tapi ini semua cuma kecapnya muhammad ... hanya krn dia tidak bisa meyakinkan orang yg rasional, pengikutnya yg udah buta di hati tentu menginginkan penjelasan, kenapa agama yg 'baik' ini kagak di terima oleh orang2x waras ...
kenapa sih, kalian ber-dakwah ?
kenapa muhammmad berdakwah ?
kalau di beri peringatan, atau tidak sama aja, ngapain gitu beri peringatan !
jadi, semua ini salah allah elu ...
kalau aja, hati semua orang kafir tidak di kunci2x segala; kagak ada FFI, kagak ada penghujatan ....
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MO_ISHA wrote: Tenang mas, akan saya baca baik2 copy paste anda.
Mas coba anda buka dan baca ayat2 Alkitab yg disebutin (Numbers 31:35-40 dan Numbers 31:35-40), ada gak disebutin perintah untuk menyetubuhi anak2 apalagi yg berumur 3 tahun???
Kalo memang kitab Talmud menyebutkan ttg anak2 berusia 3 tahun, tunjukan dong jangan cuman ngomong doang tapi tidak disertai bukti2.
Kalo cuman asal ngomong sih semua orang juga bisa mas...
Yg saya minta bukti.....kalo benar sudah ada bukti-bukti sejarah yg menyatakan bahwa seorang kakek-kakek tua bangka mengawini anak-anak berusia 6 tahun dan peristiwa itu terjadi sebelum si "RAJA PHEDOPHIL" Muhamad mengawini Aisha maka saya akan mencabut julukan saya pada Muhamad yaitu : BAPA SEGALA ORANG PEDOPHILIA.
Sebenarnya lelah aku dengan perangai kedengkian anda tapi kalau anda mengingini bukti sejarah adalah sbb:
Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible:
The Quotes and Proofs for Pedophilia Please pay attention to the bolded and underlined parts below:
The following was taken from http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... daism.html regarding Numbers 31:17-18 in the Bible:
"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"
Children
Sometimes one has to read a passage twice to believe what has been written in the Sacred Books of Judaism: what has been decreed the way to a holy life by the "sages of blessed memory... whose words are the natural sounds of Judaism" [131]:
Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]
R. Nahman bar Isaac said. "They made the decree that a gentile child should be deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15], so that an Israelite child should not hang around with him and commit pederasty [as he does]."
For said R. Zira, "I had much anguish with R. Assi, and R. Assi with R. Yohanan, and R. Yohanan with R. Yannai, and R. Yannai with R. Nathan b. Amram, and R. Nathan b. Amram with Rabbi [on this matter]: 'From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]'? And he said to me, 'On the day on which he is born.' But when I came to R. Hiyya, he said to me, 'From the age of nine years and one day.' And when I came and laid the matter before Rabbi, he said to me, 'Discard my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya, who declared, "From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]? From the age of nine years and one day."'
[37A] Since he is then suitable for having sexual relations, he also is deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [of Lev.15]."
Said Rabina, "Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety."
That is self-evident!
Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]
The basis for these rulings is the following Mishnaic passage of Tractate Niddah (filth):
A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."
And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility.
If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.
(Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]
Thus, one "of the many important issues worked out in the Mishnah concerns proper conduct with women," [135] and the "entire society of Judaism – that is, the community formed by the Torah – found in the Talmud those modes of thought and inquiry, those media of order and value, that guided the formation of public affairs and private life as well." [136]
While it is reassuring to see there was at least some limit as to what the sages would declare holy and moral, this ruling had severe implications on the interpretation of other topics as well. The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).
[This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man...
But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood." [137]
According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]
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SIMPLE...JELAS2 DISEBUT YUDAISM...SO KENAPA ENTE MASIH OOT KE KRISTEN ???Petrus234 wrote:
Sebenarnya lelah aku dengan perangai kedengkian anda tapi kalau anda mengingini bukti sejarah adalah sbb:
Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible:
The Quotes and Proofs for Pedophilia Please pay attention to the bolded and underlined parts below:
The following was taken from http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... daism.html regarding Numbers 31:17-18 in the Bible:
"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"
Children
Sometimes one has to read a passage twice to believe what has been written in the Sacred Books of Judaism: what has been decreed the way to a holy life by the "sages of blessed memory... whose words are the natural sounds of Judaism" [131]:
Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]
R. Nahman bar Isaac said. "They made the decree that a gentile child should be deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15], so that an Israelite child should not hang around with him and commit pederasty [as he does]."
For said R. Zira, "I had much anguish with R. Assi, and R. Assi with R. Yohanan, and R. Yohanan with R. Yannai, and R. Yannai with R. Nathan b. Amram, and R. Nathan b. Amram with Rabbi [on this matter]: 'From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]'? And he said to me, 'On the day on which he is born.' But when I came to R. Hiyya, he said to me, 'From the age of nine years and one day.' And when I came and laid the matter before Rabbi, he said to me, 'Discard my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya, who declared, "From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]? From the age of nine years and one day."'
[37A] Since he is then suitable for having sexual relations, he also is deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [of Lev.15]."
Said Rabina, "Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety."
That is self-evident!
Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]
The basis for these rulings is the following Mishnaic passage of Tractate Niddah (filth):
A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."
And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility.
If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.
(Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]
Thus, one "of the many important issues worked out in the Mishnah concerns proper conduct with women," [135] and the "entire society of Judaism – that is, the community formed by the Torah – found in the Talmud those modes of thought and inquiry, those media of order and value, that guided the formation of public affairs and private life as well." [136]
While it is reassuring to see there was at least some limit as to what the sages would declare holy and moral, this ruling had severe implications on the interpretation of other topics as well. The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).
[This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man...
But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood." [137]
According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]
Tolong dong ayat Al Qur'an nya yang mengatakan Allah itu YAHWE nya anda itu?...MO_ISHA wrote: Buat para jahadis, belalah tuhan kalian si allah swt (sweet child o m ine). Melalui treat ini telah terbukti dia telah berbohong, dia bukanlah YAHWE seperti yg dikatannya. Dengan terbuktinya kebohongan si allah swt berarti terbukalah kedok agama Islam, agama Islam dan Muhamad adalah alat allah swt untuk menyesatkan dunia.
cup...cup...cup....jangan ngambek gitu ya cah....mendingan terima kenyataan deh.....duh kacian benget ini bocah....kaga bisa nerima kenyataan bahwa apa yg diyakininya selama ini adalah suatu kesalahan....bocah wrote:SORI NICH...SI AUTHORNYA GA ADA ILMUNYA....CARA...MENTERJEMAHKAN HADIST ATAU PUN AL-QURAN ITU HARUS PUNYA ATURAN....NYA.....JANGAN SEENAK JIDATNYA AJA.......KLO GA BISA...BELAJAR DUNG.....SURUH SI yesus TURUN DARI SURGA....DATANG KE RUMAH GW..DI JL.OTTO ISKANDARDINATA.JAKARTA-TIMUR......BIAR GW MAKI SI yesus.....gimana..TUCH...NGASIH ILMU SAMA UMATNYA...KO...KYA GITU...CARA...MENGARTIKAN HADIST KO GA JELAS......SORI AZA YACH....SEBETULNYA.....YG DI DUSTAKAN ITU OTAK LUCH.....MAKANYA KLO PNYA OTAK ITU TARUH DI KEPALA JANGAN DI *****.....LUTAU GA YANG NAMANYA DUSTA!!!!!!BUKTI LUCH ITU DI ATAS DUSTA...OTAK..LU SENDIRI.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................................JADI TOLONG...SI AUTHOR YG **** ITU KLO GA TAU....DATANG AZA KE RUMAH GW.......KLO PERLU SATU GEREJA SEKALIAN....KLO PERLU PAUS NYA SEKALIAN.....HEEEEEE...RUMAH GW BANYAK MAKANAN ENAK.....HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAAA...
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ninja-racer
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mau di telusuri, di posting kita, siapa yg mulai menghina duluan ?ninja-racer wrote:@midgard
kalo org2 seperti elu Allah tdk akan membuka mata hati anda krn penghinaan2 dr anda sdh seperti kata2 yg keluar dr iblis..
... salah, kagak mau ngaku (spt ttg quote), memproyeksikan kesalahan ke orang lain ...
muhammad banget sih, anda ini ...
saya enggak spt bbrp orang Kristen lain, yg enggak membalas :)
saya membalas, supaya anda sadar dan berdialog dng respect ke lawan bicara ...
pernyataan sama, bisa aja saya lontarkan ...
YHVH tidak membuka mata hati elu, krn anda menghina Paulus, menghina pengorbanan Tuhan Yesus ... dan memihak pada agama iblis, meskipun kelihatan sekali bedanya ...
- taqqiya (dan teman2x) vs jujur
- membungkus wanita, poligami, pedofile, kawin kontrak (lupa istilah keren islamnya) vs jangan berzina
- moralnya muhammad yg menjadi standard tertinggi vs moral Yesus ...
- orang lain mati krn agama anda (jilhad) vs diri sendiri mati, krn agama (tidak menghindari dng taqqiya) -> martir
- tidak ada mukjizat vs banyak sekali mukjizat
- dari malaikat vs dari Roh Kudus (Tuhan)
- omongan (tidak bisa di buktikan) vs tertulis (terbukti)
- tauhid vs echad (konsep ke-Tuhan Yahudi - yaitu satu yg majemuk)
- jangan banyak tanya (udah saya kasih ayat quran & hadist, males cari) alias telan aja vs silahkan tanya ...
- membungkam orang yg mengkritik vs silahkan ngomong (spt DaVinci code)
- dsb
tidakkah anda bisa membedakan, agama yg dulu, yg ada banyak bukti; dng agama sabotase-nya muhammad ... (misalnya spt argument saya ttg allah & kabbah yg sama sekali tidak di kenal oleh agama Yahudi & Kristen)
islam sengaja (atau tidak) mengambil banyak sudut berlawanan dng agama Tuhan ...
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KingofBandit-Jing
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makanya islam tuh palsu. coba aja, ada ayat kayak berilah muhammad nabimu tempat yang layak seperti yang telah engakau janjikan ( aku ga hapal ) , artinya muhammad tuh nabi palsu. masa umatnya yang ngedoain dia masuk sorga?? kasian deh orang islam nabinya aja masuk nerak, apalagi pengikutnya ?? wuih ngeri banget.
Setauku Tuhan itu Maha Kasih, jangankan orang yang gak ngerti, yang jelas2 ngerti dan melawan Dia pun akan diampuni kalau mau bertobat. Jadi aneh kalo ada statemen Allah mengunci hati. Ortu aja sedih hatinya kalau anaknya melawan, apalagi Tuhan yang kadar kasihNya MAHA.ninja-racer wrote:@midgard
kalo org2 seperti elu Allah tdk akan membuka mata hati anda krn penghinaan2 dr anda sdh seperti kata2 yg keluar dr iblis..
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ninja-racer
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siapa bilang Tuhan tidak bisa mengunci mata hati kita..luv_nice wrote: Setauku Tuhan itu Maha Kasih, jangankan orang yang gak ngerti, yang jelas2 ngerti dan melawan Dia pun akan diampuni kalau mau bertobat. Jadi aneh kalo ada statemen Allah mengunci hati. Ortu aja sedih hatinya kalau anaknya melawan, apalagi Tuhan yang kadar kasihNya MAHA.
contohnya: dlm islam org yg sampai akhir hayatnya dlm kegelapan maka org itu artinya ga mndpt hidayah (walaupun dia islam, apalg kafir), tapi dlm agama elu org mati dalam keadaan mabuk, atau berzinah tetap sdh ada ya penebus dosanya... makanye kgk akan nyambung2 smp kiamat datang pa'ul... hehehe
apa buktinya kamu dapat hidayah ?ninja-racer wrote: siapa bilang Tuhan tidak bisa mengunci mata hati kita..
contohnya: org yg sampai akhirnyanya dlm kegelapan maka org itu artinya ga mndpt hidayah, tapi dlm agama elu org mati dalam keadaan mabuk, atau berzinah tetap sdh ada ya penebus dosanya... makanye kgk akan nyambung2 smp kiamat datang... hehehe
dlm ukuran lia eden, elu belum dapat hidayah yg sebenar2x-nya ... elu cuma kira aja dapat hidayah ...
padahal mati dlm keadaan penuh taqqiya, kawin kontrak (pelacuran yg dng kedok agama), jilhad, dsb ... mengira kalau udah melakukan kebaikan di tanah mekah, atau pada bulan2x tertentu, pahalanya berkali2x lipat ... (ribuan kali)
ngomong di kuci mata hati, emang gampang ... semua agama bisa aja ngomong demikian ... tanpa bukti ...
hati gua di kunci oleh allah, hati elu di kunci oleh allahnya si lia eden ...
ini semua adalah sort cut untuk memberi alasan aja ... sama seperti ... "hush, jangan tanya ... nanti murtad elu" -- 5:101-102
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ninja-racer
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@midgard
lia eden diambil ukuran, itu mah gak msk itungan gw.
bukti gw dapat hidayah? insya Allah setiap hari sholat 5 waktu, mengerjakan yg sunnah, ngaji, dtg ke majelis taklim, menghindari hal2 yg sesat seperti ajaran pa'ul ente itu.
Subhanallah walhamdulillah walailahillalah wallahuakbar...
wafatkan aku dlm keadaan khusnul khatimah ya Allah... Amin...
sedangkan pa'ul ente ngajarin kgk ada pahala & balasannya kan? kasian... org2 spt golongan ente inilah yg ngerusak bumi Allah krn merasa suci bisa lgsg ke Surga tanpa hisab.
lia eden diambil ukuran, itu mah gak msk itungan gw.
bukti gw dapat hidayah? insya Allah setiap hari sholat 5 waktu, mengerjakan yg sunnah, ngaji, dtg ke majelis taklim, menghindari hal2 yg sesat seperti ajaran pa'ul ente itu.
Subhanallah walhamdulillah walailahillalah wallahuakbar...
wafatkan aku dlm keadaan khusnul khatimah ya Allah... Amin...
sedangkan pa'ul ente ngajarin kgk ada pahala & balasannya kan? kasian... org2 spt golongan ente inilah yg ngerusak bumi Allah krn merasa suci bisa lgsg ke Surga tanpa hisab.