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quran 40:29 perkataan musa???

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quran 40:29 perkataan musa???

Postby kufirandproud » Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:17 pm

saya mau tanya kepada seluruh muslim2 tentang quran 40:29 kita simak terjemahan versi depag nya=
40:29] (Musa berkata): "Hai kaumku, untukmulah kerajaan pada hari ini dengan berkuasa di muka bumi. Siapakah yang akan menolong kita dari azab Allah jika azab itu menimpa kita!" Fir'aun berkata: "Aku tidak mengemukakan kepadamu, melainkan apa yang aku pandang baik; dan aku tiada menunjukkan kepadamu selain jalan yang benar".

terlihat depag menambahkata dgn tanda kurung= (musa berkata)
agar memberitahukan bahwa itu adalah perkataan musa.tp coba anda kita lihat ayat sebelumnya di quran 40:28
Dan seorang laki-laki yang beriman di antara pengikut-pengikut Fir'aun yang menyembunyikan imannya berkata: "Apakah kamu akan membunuh seorang laki-laki karena dia menyatakan: "Tuhanku ialah Allah padahal dia telah datang kepadamu dengan membawa keterangan-keterangan dari Tuhanmu. Dan jika ia seorang pendusta maka dialah yang menanggung (dosa) dustanya itu; dan jika ia seorang yang benar niscaya sebagian (bencana) yang diancamkannya kepadamu akan menimpamu". Sesungguhnya Allah tidak menunjuki orang-orang yang melampaui batas lagi pendusta.

kalau tanda kurung diawal ayat 29 dihapus .maka seharusnya ucapan ayat 28 adalah sambungan dr ayat 29.berarti bukan musa yg berbicara melainkan si laki2 beriman dr pengikut firaun.
bahkan (krn sy ga bs bhs arab jd mohon dicek apakah benar pernyataan saya ini) diayat 29 dlm bhs arab tdk ada tulisan musa berkata=
يا قوم لكم الملك اليوم ظاهرين في الأرض فمن ينصرنا من بأس الله إن جاءنا , قال فرعون ما أريكم إلا ما أرى وما أهديكم إلا سبيل الرشاد
>> bagian mana ada tulisan musa berkata dlm quran 40:29 bhs arab tsbt??silakan buktikan !!

ucapan saya disetujui oleh ibn katsir dlm tafsir quran disurah dan ayat tersebut:
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... temid=96#1
The Story of Musa and Fir`awn Print E-mail

Allah consoles His Prophet Muhammad for the disbelief of his people and gives him the glad tidings of good consequences and victory in this world and the Hereafter, as happened to Musa bin `Imran, peace be upon him, whom Allah sent with clear proof and definitive evidence. Allah says:

﴿بِـَايَـتِنَا وَسُلْطَانٍ مُّبِينٍ﴾

(with Our Ayat, and a manifest authority). Authority means proof and evidence.

﴿إِلَى فِرْعَوْنَ﴾

(to Fir`awn), who was the king of the Copts of Egypt.

﴿وَهَـمَـنَ﴾

(Haman) who was his adviser.

﴿وَقَـشرُونَ﴾

(and Qarun) who was the richest trader among the people of his time.

﴿فَقَالُواْ سَـحِرٌ كَـذَّابٌ﴾

(but they called (him): "A sorcerer, liar!'') means, they rejected him and thought he was a sorcerer, a madman and an illusionist who was telling lies about having been sent by Allah. This is like the Ayah:

﴿كَذَلِكَ مَآ أَتَى الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ مِّن رَّسُولٍ إِلاَّ قَالُواْ سَـحِرٌ أَوْ مَجْنُونٌ - أَتَوَاصَوْاْ بِهِ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ طَـغُونَ ﴾

(Likewise, no Messenger came to those before them but they said: "A sorcerer or a madman!'' Have they transmitted this saying to these Nay, they are themselves a people transgressing beyond bounds!) (51:52-53)

﴿فَلَمَّا جَآءَهُمْ بِالْحَقِّ مِنْ عِندِنَا﴾

(Then, when he brought them the Truth from Us,) means, with definite evidence that Allah had sent him to them,

﴿قَالُواْ اقْتُلُواْ أَبْنَآءَ الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ مَعَهُ وَاسْتَحْيُواْ نِسَآءَهُمْ﴾

(they said: "Kill with him the sons of those who believe and let their women live;) This was a second command from Fir`awn to kill the males of the Children of Israel. The first command had been as a precaution against the emergence of a man like Musa, or an act intended to humiliate this people or reduce their numbers or both. The second command was for the second reason, to humiliate the people so that they would regard Musa as a bad omen. they said:

﴿أُوذِينَا مِن قَبْلِ أَن تَأْتِيَنَا وَمِن بَعْدِ مَا جِئْتَنَا قَالَ عَسَى رَبُّكُمْ أَن يُهْلِكَ عَدُوَّكُمْ وَيَسْتَخْلِفَكُمْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ فَيَنظُرَ كَيْفَ تَعْمَلُونَ﴾

("We (Children of Israel) had suffered troubles before you came to us, and since you have come to us.'' He said: "It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you successors on the earth, so that He may see how you act'') (7:129). Qatadah said, this was one command after another.

﴿وَمَا كَـيْدُ الْكَـفِرِينَ إِلاَّ فِى ضَلَـلٍ﴾

(but the plots of disbelievers are nothing but in vain!) means, their schemes and intentions -- to reduce the numbers of the Children of Israel lest they prevail over them -- were doomed to failure.

﴿وَقَالَ فِرْعَوْنُ ذَرُونِى أَقْتُلْ مُوسَى وَلْيَدْعُ رَبَّهُ﴾

(Fir`awn said: "Leave me to kill Musa, and let him call his Lord!...'') Fir`awn, may Allah curse him, resolved to kill Musa, peace be upon him, i.e., he said to his people, `let me kill him for you.'

﴿وَلْيَدْعُ رَبَّهُ﴾

(and let him call his Lord!) means, `I do not care.' This is the utmost in offensive stubbornness.

﴿إِنِّى أَخَافُ أَن يُبَدِّلَ دِينَكُـمْ أَوْ أَن يُظْهِرَ فِى الاٌّرْضِ الْفَسَادَ﴾

(I fear that he may change your religion, or that he may cause mischief to appear in the land!) means, Musa; Fir`awn was afraid that Musa would lead his people astray and change their ways and customs. As if Fir`awn would be concerned about what Musa might do to his people! The majority understood this as meaning, `he will change your religion and cause mischief to appear in the land.'

﴿وَقَالَ مُوسَى إِنِّى عُذْتُ بِرَبِّى وَرَبِّكُـمْ مِّن كُلِّ مُتَكَبِّرٍ لاَّ يُؤْمِنُ بِيَوْمِ الْحِسَابِ ﴾

(Musa said: "Verily, I seek refuge in my Lord and your Lord from every arrogant who believes not in the Day of Reckoning!'') means, when he heard that Fir`awn had said,

﴿ذَرُونِى أَقْتُلْ مُوسَى﴾

(Leave me to kill Musa,) Musa, peace be upon him, said, "I seek refuge and protection with Allah from his evil and the evil of those like him.'' So he said:

﴿إِنِّى عُذْتُ بِرَبِّى وَرَبِّكُـمْ﴾

(Verily, I seek refuge in my Lord and your Lord) -- those who were being addressed here --

﴿مِّن كُلِّ مُتَكَبِّرٍ﴾

(from every arrogant) means, from every evildoer,

﴿لاَّ يُؤْمِنُ بِيَوْمِ الْحِسَابِ﴾

(who believes not in the Day of Reckoning!) It was reported in the Hadith narrated from Abu Musa, may Allah be pleased with him, that when the Messenger of Allah was afraid of some people, he would say:

«اللْهُمَّ إِنَّا نَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ شُرُورِهِمْ، وَنَدْرَأُ بِكَ فِي نُحُورِهِم»

(O Allah, we seek refuge in You from their evil and we seek Your help in repulsing them.)

﴿وَقَالَ رَجُلٌ مُّؤْمِنٌ مِّنْ ءَالِ فِرْعَوْنَ يَكْتُمُ إِيمَـنَهُ أَتَقْتُلُونَ رَجُلاً أَن يَقُولَ رَبِّىَ اللَّهُ وَقَدْ جَآءَكُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَـتِ مِن رَّبِّكُمْ وَإِن يَكُ كَـذِباً فَعَلَيْهِ كَذِبُهُ وَإِن يَكُ صَـدِقاً يُصِبْكُمْ بَعْضُ الَّذِى يَعِدُكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَهْدِى مَنْ هُوَ مُسْرِفٌ كَذَّابٌ - يقَومِ لَكُمُ الْمُلْكُ الْيَوْمَ ظَـهِرِينَ فِى الاٌّرْضِ فَمَن يَنصُرُنَا مِن بَأْسِ اللَّهِ إِن جَآءَنَا قَالَ فِرْعَوْنُ مَآ أُرِيكُمْ إِلاَّ مَآ أَرَى وَمَآ أَهْدِيكُمْ إِلاَّ سَبِيلَ الرَّشَادِ ﴾

(28. And a believing man of Fir`awn's family, who hid his Faith said: "Would you kill a man because he says: `My Lord is Allah,' and he has come to you with clear signs from your Lord And if he is a liar, upon him will be (the sin of) his lie; but if he is telling the truth, then some of that (calamity) wherewith he threatens you will befall on you.'' Verily, Allah guides not one who is a transgressor, a liar!) (29. "O my people! Yours is the kingdom today, you being dominant in the land. But who will save us from the torment of Allah, should it befall us'' Fir`awn said: "I show you only that which I see, and I guide you only to the path of right policy!'')


lanjutan penjelasan ibn katsir dihalaman berikutnya:
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=96
Musa was supported by a believing Man from Fir`awn's Family Print E-mail

The well-known view is that this believing man was a Coptic (Egyptian) from the family of Fir`awn. As-Suddi said, he was a cousin ﴿son of the paternal uncle﴾ of Fir`awn. And it was said that he was the one who was saved along with Musa, peace be upon him. Ibn Jurayj reported that Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, said "No one from among the family of Fir`awn believed apart from this man, the wife of Fir`awn, and the one who said,
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diperjelas oleh ibn katsir bahwa perkataan diayat 29 adalah dr org dr keluarga firaun tersebut .BUKAN MUSA !!!pelototin neh=
Then this believer warned his people that they would lose the blessings Allah bestowed upon them and that the vengeance of Allah would befall them:

﴿يقَومِ لَكُمُ الْمُلْكُ الْيَوْمَ ظَـهِرِينَ فِى الاٌّرْضِ﴾

(O my people! Yours is the kingdom today, you being dominant in the land.) means, `Allah has blessed you with this kingdom, dominance in the land, power and authority, so take care of this blessing by giving thanks to Allah and believing in his Messenger, and beware of the punishment of Allah if you reject His Messenger.'

﴿فَمَن يَنصُرُنَا مِن بَأْسِ اللَّهِ إِن جَآءَنَا﴾

(But who will save us from the torment of Allah, should it befall us) means, `these soldiers and troops will not avail you anything and will not ward off the punishment of Allah, if He decides to punish us.' Fir`awn said to his people, in response to the advice of this righteous man who was more deserving of kingship than Fir`awn:

﴿مَآ أُرِيكُمْ إِلاَّ مَآ أَرَى﴾

(I show you only that which I see,) meaning, `I only tell you and advise you to do that which I think is good for myself, too


jadi apa motivasi depag mempersesatkan pemikiran islam2 indonesia dgn penambahan tanda kurung yg sangat menyesatkan itu??

nb:saya mengundang bung hillman tuk menganalisa trit ini krn beliau ahli bhs arab yg saya ketahui di member FFI ini(sudah sy inbox)

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Re: quran 40:29 perkataan musa???

Postby Dreamsavior » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:29 pm

Topik ini mengundang pertanyaan yang jauh lebih fundamental....

Apakah rekan-rekan muslim bisa mengenal Tuhan Yang Maha Pengasih dengan lebih baik dengan hanya mengandalkan Quran?

Karena dalam kasus Musa pun ... Quran tidak bisa memberikan informasi yang akurat dan mudah dimengerti.

Buktinya ... organisasi agama Islam yang paling bonafid di Indonesia ... yang diserahi tanggung jawab untuk menerjemahkan AlQuran pun ternyata masih memasukkan banyak interpolasi dalam terjemahannya yang bertentangan dengan pendapat ulama lain.

Lha terus ... bagaimana nasib orang-orang awam? Mereka dapat cerita Musa yang akurat dari mana? Masa mereka mengandalkan Al-Kitab yang menurut mereka "sudah dipalsukan"??
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