Semua kafir pasti menganggap Aisha masih anak-anak ??

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mikimos dan foxhound wrote: As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary. The child must be at least five years younger in the case of adolescent pedophiles.






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buk miki dan pak foxhound sewaktu SD pernah belajar ilmu sosial kan?

Masih ingat pelajaran mengenai penggolongan dan tingkatan kebutuhan dasar manusia ?

Ngerti gak artinya primary or exclusive dalam referensi diatas ?

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Metalizer wrote: buk miki dan pak foxhound sewaktu SD pernah belajar ilmu sosial kan?
Masih ingat pelajaran mengenai penggolongan dan tingkatan kebutuhan dasar manusia ?
Ngerti gak artinya primary or exclusive dalam referensi diatas ?
Metal
Seinget ku kamu yang protes kalau dikasih referensi2 dalam bahasa Inggris... emang menurutmu apa arti primary & exclusive di atas? Jangan2 ngaco lagi...

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Metalizer wrote:buk miki dan pak foxhound sewaktu SD pernah belajar ilmu sosial kan?

Masih ingat pelajaran mengenai penggolongan dan tingkatan kebutuhan dasar manusia ?

Ngerti gak artinya primary or exclusive dalam referensi diatas ?

Metal
.... Udah direply sama Pak Foxhound ...
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Ayo Met, saya juga nunggu :lol:


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Jems .. apa perlu kupanggil si Netral .. dia jago loh Jerman , Prancis , Belanda , Inggris , Sunda , Indonesia ... ehh Mandarin dan Arabnya pun mayan kok

Dia keok sama kristen cuma gara gara ga bisa Ibrani dan Yunani ajah :rolling:

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Metalizer wrote:buk miki dan pak foxhound sewaktu SD pernah belajar ilmu sosial kan?

Masih ingat pelajaran mengenai penggolongan dan tingkatan kebutuhan dasar manusia ?

Ngerti gak artinya primary or exclusive dalam referensi diatas ?

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mikimos wrote:
.... Udah direply sama Pak Foxhound ...
:green:

Ayo Met, saya juga nunggu :lol:


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pak foxhound memang sudah mereplay tapi belum menjawab.

Buk miki sendiri kenapa tidak menjawab ?:lol:

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buk miki dan pak foxhound sewaktu SD pernah belajar ilmu sosial kan?

Masih ingat pelajaran mengenai penggolongan dan tingkatan kebutuhan dasar manusia ?

Ngerti gak artinya primary or exclusive dalam referensi diatas ?

Metal
Foxhound wrote:

Seinget ku kamu yang protes kalau dikasih referensi2 dalam bahasa Inggris...

pak foxhound...saya protes bukan karena saya tidak mengerti b.Inggris...Tapi saya protes karena pak foxhound setiap menampilkan referensi berbahasa inggris selalu tidak menerjemahkanya ke bhs indonesia...Kan kasian ntuh netter2 yang kagak ngerti bhs inggris...Yang saya protes itu etika pak foxhound dalam berdiskusi...
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emang menurutmu apa arti primary & exclusive di atas? Jangan2 ngaco lagi...

lho saya kan tanya pak foxhund duluan...Kok malah balik nanya...Jangan2 pak foxhound lagi yang ngaco...

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Jems wrote:pak foxhound memang sudah mereplay tapi belum menjawab.

Buk miki sendiri kenapa tidak menjawab ?:lol:
Lha tadi saya mau post, hampir sama kayak yang di post beliau... Ternyata K' Fox udah post.
Ya masak saya harus post juga kalo toh isi postingannya sama.. mempertanyakan pengertianmu atas tulisan yang anda kutip tadi. Nanti merengek "kafir hobinya ngeroyok, ngulang2 pertanyaan yang sama, huh..."
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Metalizer wrote: pak foxhound...saya protes bukan karena saya tidak mengerti b.Inggris...Tapi saya protes karena pak foxhound setiap menampilkan referensi berbahasa inggris selalu tidak menerjemahkanya ke bhs indonesia...Kan kasian ntuh netter2 yang kagak ngerti bhs inggris...Yang saya protes itu etika pak foxhound dalam berdiskusi...
Kalau yang nggak ngerti, biar mereka protes sendiri, kamu yang protes berarti kamu yang ndak ngerti. Emang ada syarat harus pake bahasa indonesia?
foxhound wrote: emang menurutmu apa arti primary & exclusive di atas? Jangan2 ngaco lagi...
Metalizer wrote:lho saya kan tanya pak foxhund duluan...Kok malah balik nanya...Jangan2 pak foxhound lagi yang ngaco...
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Metalizer wrote: buk miki dan pak foxhound sewaktu SD pernah belajar ilmu sosial kan?
Masih ingat pelajaran mengenai penggolongan dan tingkatan kebutuhan dasar manusia ?
Ngerti gak artinya primary or exclusive dalam referensi diatas ?
Saya sih curiga aja, apa hubungannya primary exclusive dengan kebutuhan primer sekunder? Dari caramu bertanya kan menimbulkan syak prasangka.

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Foxhound wrote: Saya sih curiga aja, apa hubungannya primary exclusive dengan kebutuhan primer sekunder? Dari caramu bertanya kan menimbulkan syak prasangka.

knowledgenya sama...

Jika kebutuhan primer hidup manusia adalah pangan, maka seorang pedofilia juga dikenali dari karakternya yang menjadikan orientasi sex kepadi anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primernya dalam hal berhubungan sex.

Primary = primer = dasar atau priority

sama sekali tidak sesuai dengan karakter muhammad, sepanjang riwayat hidup muhammad faktanya tidak ada catatan yang menunjukkan bahwa muhammad menjadikan hubungan sex terhadap anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primer sexuality.

Selain Aisyah, rata2 semua istri2 muhammad tercatat berusia di atas 20 tahun.

Dengan demikian berdasarkan referensi ini :
mikimos dan foxhound wrote: As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary.
prilaku muhammad tidak bisa dimasukkan dalam kategori pedofilia.
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CRESCENT-STAR wrote:kalian begitu panik ternyata hukum Musa memperbolehkan anak kecil disetubuhi. bung semua terlihat langsung sempoyongan, shg kekasaran merebak disetiap kata.
Mari kita uji logika jongkok mu

Anggaplah MUSA PEDOPIL ... Lantas , haruskah muhammad IKUT JADI PEDOPIL

Lalu mengapa fula ketika Musa mbelah laut .. muhammad MAMPUNYA CUMA mbelah vagina ](*,)

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duren wrote:Mari kita uji logika jongkok mu
Anggaplah MUSA PEDOPIL ... Lantas , haruskah muhammad IKUT JADI PEDOPIL
Lalu mengapa fula ketika Musa mbelah laut .. muhammad MAMPUNYA CUMA mbelah vagina ](*,)
di postingan mana saya mengatakan Musa pedofil dan Talmud mengajarkan pedofil. saya masih berbaik sangka bahwa ini adalah hasil survey lingkungan 3000 tahun yg lalu.

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@Bung CS
Terus bagaimana caranya untuk berbaik sangka dengan si kakek muhammad menggauli bocah 9 th dan menceritakan bahwa rasanya seperti tharid???

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Foxhound wrote:Saya sih curiga aja, apa hubungannya primary exclusive dengan kebutuhan primer sekunder? Dari caramu bertanya kan menimbulkan syak prasangka.
Metalizer wrote: knowledgenya sama...

Jika kebutuhan primer hidup manusia adalah pangan, maka seorang pedofilia juga dikenali dari karakternya yang menjadikan orientasi sex kepadi anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primernya dalam hal berhubungan sex.

Primary = primer = dasar atau priority

sama sekali tidak sesuai dengan karakter muhammad, sepanjang riwayat hidup muhammad faktanya tidak ada catatan yang menunjukkan bahwa muhammad menjadikan hubungan sex terhadap anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primer sexuality.

Selain Aisyah, rata2 semua istri2 muhammad tercatat berusia di atas 20 tahun.

Dengan demikian berdasarkan referensi ini :

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary.

prilaku muhammad tidak bisa dimasukkan dalam kategori pedofilia.
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Sungguhan kan..... ngomongnya aja gede.... ternyata....

Met! "Primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children"... kamu bisa jelaskan primary nya, kenapa nggak jelasin "exclusive" nya? berani mati!!

Primary or exclusive,

Primary itu artinya yang utama, yang juga artinya apabila seseorang punya sexual interest bermacam2, anak kecil, sesama jenis, orang tua, dll, tetapi primarynya adalah anak kecil, dia termasuk pedophile

Exclusive, artinya, dia hanya punya sexual interest ke anak kecil saja....

Di kasus Muhammad, bukan exclusive, tetapi primary.... apa benar primarynya anak kecil? Ya tentu... siapa favorite Muhammad?

lebih jelasnya lagi saya kutip ulang

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MUHAMMAD, PEDOFILIA DAN IMPLIKASI MORAL

Kita punya bukti-bukti melimpah bahwa Muhammad menikahi Aisyah di saat usianya baru 6 tahun, dan menyetubuhinya di usia 9 tahun.

SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)


Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)


Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88


SAHIH MUSLIM

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309; see also 3310)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)

SUNAN ABU DAWUD

Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

JIJIKNYAAAA...... :lol: :lol:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915)


SUNAN IBN-I-MAJAH
1876. ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said: Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriage with me while I was (yet) a six years [sic] old girl. Then we arrived at Medina and stayed with Banu Harith b. Khazraj. I fell victim to fever; then my hair (of the head fell off (and became scattered). Then they became plenty and hanged down upto [sic] the earlobes. My mother ‘Umm Ruman came to me while I was (playing) in a swing alongwith [sic] my play-mates. She (the mother) called me loudly. I went to her and I did not know what he [sic] wanted. She seized my hand and stopped me at the door of the house and I was hearing [sic] violently until the agitation of my heart was over. Then she took some water and wiped it over my face and head. Then she admitted me to the house when some woman [sic] of Ansar were present in the house. They said, "You have entered with blessings and good fortune." Then she (the mother) entrusted me to them. So they embellished me and nothing frightened me but Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (when he came there) in the morning and they (the women) entrusted me to him. On that day, I was a nine years [sic] old girl."
1877. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said, "The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) married ‘A’isha while she was a seven years [sic] old girl and took him [sic] to his house as a bride when she was nine years old and he parted with her (after his demise) when she was eighteen years old."
(Sunan Ibn-I-Majah, Imam Abdullah Muhammad B. Yazid Ibn-I-Maja Al-Qazwini, English version by Muhammad Tufail Ansari [Kazi Publications, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore Pakistan, first edition, 1995], volume III, pp. 133-134)


IBN HISHAM
He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, tenth impression 1995], p. 792)

MARTIN LINGS
During the same year that followed Khadijah’s death, the Prophet dreamed that he saw a man who was carrying someone wrapped in a piece of silk. The man said to him: "This is thy wife, so uncover her." The Prophet lifted the silk and there was ‘A’ishah. But ‘A’ishah was only six years old, and he had passed his fiftieth year. Moreover Abu Bakr had promised her to Mut‘im for his son Jubayr. The Prophet simply said to himself: "If this be from God, He will bring it to pass." …
Meantime Abu Bakr approached Mut‘im, who was persuaded without difficulty to forgo the marriage of ‘A’ishah to his son; and, some months after the marriage of Sawdah, ‘A’ishah also became the Prophet’s wife, through a marriage contracted by him and her father, at which she herself was not present. She said afterwards, that she had her first inkling of her new status when one day she was playing with her friends outside, not far from their house, and her mother came and too her by the hand and led her indoors, telling her that henceforth she must not go out to play, and that her friends must come to her instead. ‘A’ishah dimly guessed the reason, though her mother did not immediately tell her that she was married; and apart from having to play in their courtyard instead of in the roads, her life continued as before.
(Lings, Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources [Inner Traditions, International, Ltd.; Rochester Vermont, 1983], pp. 105-106)

The Prophet and his daughters now went to live with Sawda in her new house; and after a month or two it was decided that ‘A’ishah’s wedding should take place. She was then only nine years old, a child of remarkable beauty, as might have been expected from her parentage…

Aisyah Masih Bermain Boneka ketika ‘Dibawa Pulang’ untuk Tidur dengan Muhammad
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house AS A BRIDE WHEN SHE WAS NINE, AND HER DOLLS WERE WITH HER; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)

Aisyah Belum Puber!
Al-Khattaabee said: From this Hadeeth it is understood that playing with dolls (al-banaat) is not like the amusement from other images (suwar) concerning which the threat (wa'eed) of punishment is mentioned. The only reason why permission in this was given to 'Aa'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) is because SHE HAD NOT, AT THAT TIME, REACHleased with her) was a fourteen year old girl at the time of the Battle of Khaibar - either exactly fourteen years old, or having just passed her fourteenth year [and entering into the fifteenth year], or approaching it (the fourteenth year).

As foED THE AGE OF PUBERTY
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[al-Haafiz says:] I say: To say with certainty, [that she was not yet at the age of puberty] is questionable, though it might possibly be so. This, because 'Aa'isha (may Allah be pr her age at the time of the Battle of Tabook - she had by then definitely reached the age of puberty. Therefore, THE STRONGEST VIEW is that of those who said: "It was in Khaibar" [i.e. WHEN SHE WAS NOT YET AT THE AGE OF PUBERTY], and made reconciliation (jam') [between the apparent contradictory rulings, of permissibility of dolls, in particular, and the prohibition of images, in general] with what al-Khattaabee said (above) (The Beneficial Response Concerning the Islamic Ruling of Pictures/Images, by Shaykh Abdul-Azeez Ibn Abdullah Ibn Baaz, rendered in English by Abu Muhammad Abdur-Ra'uf Shakir)

Narrated Urwa bin Al-Musayyab, Alqama bin Waqqas and Ubaidullah bin Abdullah:
About the story of 'Aisha and their narrations were similar attesting each other, when the liars said what they invented about 'Aisha, and the Divine Inspiration was delayed, Allah's Apostle sent for 'Ali and Usama to consult them in divorcing his wife (i.e. 'Aisha). Usama said, "Keep your wife, as we know nothing about her except good." Buraira said, "I cannot accuse her of any defect except that she is still A YOUNG GIRL who sleeps, neglecting her family's dough which the domestic goats come to eat (i.e. she was too simpleminded to deceive her husband)." Allah's Apostle said, "Who can help me to take revenge over the man who has harmed me by defaming the reputation of my family? By Allah, I have not known about my family anything except good, and they mentioned (i.e. accused) a man about whom I did not know anything except good." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 805)


… Buraira said, 'No, by Allah Who has sent you with the Truth, I have never seen in her anything faulty except that she is a girl of IMMATURE AGE, who sometimes sleeps and leaves the dough for the goats to eat.' … (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 829)

'A'isha said… The women in those days were light of weight and they did not wear much flesh, as they ate less food; so they did not perceive the weight of my haudaj as they placed it upon the camel as I was A YOUNG GIRL at that time… Barira said: By Him Who sent thee with the truth, I have seen nothing objectionable in her but only this much that she is A YOUNG GIRL and she goes to sleep while kneading the flour and the lamb eats that… (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6673)

Sudah bertahun-tahun Aisyah dinikahi oleh Muhammad dan ia masih dinilai belum puber. Pertanyaan: apa urusan seorang kakek berumur 54 tahun mengawini anak perempuan kecil semacam ini?

APA KRITERIA PEDOFILIA?

Asosiasi Psikolog Amerika (APA) mendefinisikan pedofilia sebagai ketertarikan seksual terhadap anak-anak laki-laki atau perempuan atau keduanya, baik yang berada pada masa pra puber maupun puber awal:

The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (F65.4) defines pedophilia as "a sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."[23]
The APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition, Text Revision gives the following as its "Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia":[24]
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
The APA diagnostic criteria do not require actual sexual activity with a pre-pubescent youths. The diagnosis can therefore be made based on the presence of fantasies or sexual urges alone, provided the subject meets the remaining criteria. "For individuals in late adolescence with Pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified, and clinical judgment must be used." (p. 527 DSM).[25]


Jurnal-jurnal psikologi biasanya merefer pendapat Krafft-Ebing dan Rene Guyon

Seksolog Krafft-Ebing (1840-1902) melihat pedofilia sebagai pelarian masturbasi bagi laki-laki remaja yang masih takut dengan wanita dewasa sekaligus sensasi bagi pria dewasa yang mengalami keterbelakangan mental.

saw paedophilia as predominantly the last resort of the jaded debauchee in search of new sensations, and also a practice of young men frightened of the adult female and weakened by masturbation, or else a manifestation of mental deficiency. Krafft-Ebing differentiated ‘violation’ from rape as such, applying it to various forms of sexual assault without penetration. He considered that some cases manifested a particular psychopathology, sometimes due to drunkenness or epilepsy, but that in a few instances it was an actual perversion brought about by a morbid disposition.

Muhammad mengalami keterbelakangan mental?? :lol: :lol:

René Guyon (1876-1963), a French legal scholar and philosopher of sexual relations, made a case in his works on sexual ethics that children not only were not injured by sexual activity but that it was actually beneficial, arguing that the repression of children's sexuality had deleterious effects in later life. Like later apologists for paedophilia, he elided the desirability of children not being traumatically punished for their own sexual explorations, and the need for them to have some form of sex education, with the rather different issue of adult sexual access to children. The relationship between children and adults is not an equal one, given that adults are physically larger and stronger and have power and authority over them. It is questionable whether behaviour perceived by adults as sexual and seductive has such a meaning for the child.

APAKAH MUHAMMAD MEMENUHI KRITERIA SEBAGAI PEDOFIL?

Berdasarkan kriteria APA diatas, Muhammad dapat digolongkan sebagai penderita pedofilia karena menyukai anak-anak dan memunyai hasrat seksual terhadap mereka.

Muhammad punya ketertarikan terhadap anak-anak:
For the last three years scarcely a day had passed by without one or more of ‘A’ishah’s friends coming to play with her in the courtyard adjoining her father’s house. Her removal to the Prophet’s house changed nothing in this respect. Friends now came every day to visit her in her own apartment – new friends made since her arrival in Medina and also some of the old ones whose parents, like hers, had emigrated. "I would be playing with my dolls," she said, "with the girls who were my friends, and the Prophet would come in and they would steal out of the house and he would go out after them and bring them back, for he was pleased for my sake to have them there." Sometimes he would say "Stay where ye are" before they had time to move. He would also join in their games sometimes, FOR HE LOVED CHILDREN [Sam- meaning Aisha was only a child like them] and had often played with his own daughters. The dolls of puppets had many different roles. "One day," said ‘A’ishah, "the Prophet came in when I was playing with the dolls and he said: ‘O ‘A’ishah, whatever game is this?’ I said: ‘It is Solomon’s horses,’ and he laughed." But sometimes as he came in he would simply screen himself with his cloak so as not to disturb them. (Lings, Martin. Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources [Inner Traditions, International, Ltd.; Rochester Vermont, 1983, pp. 132-134)

Muhammad punya ketertarikan seksual terhadap Aisyah (bahkan di saat puasa!)
Muhammad biasa mencium Aisyah dan menghisap lidahnya di saat sedang puasa.

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380)

Alasan Muhammad menikahi anak perempuan yang masih perawan seperti Aisyah adalah agar ia bisa bermain-main dengannya!!Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
I was accompanying the Prophet on a journey and was riding a slow camel that was lagging behind the others… When we approached Medina, I started going (towards my house). The Prophet said, "Where are you going?" I said, "I have married a widow." He said, "Why have you not married a virgin to fondle with each other?" I said, "My father died and left daughters, so I decided to marry a widow (an experienced woman) (to look after them)." He said, "Well done." … (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 38, Number 504)

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:
While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16)

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron." He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins AND FOR FONDLING THEM?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17)
:shock: :shock:

Bahkan Muhammad Suka Melirik Gadis-gadis Kecil!
Muhammad also had eyes for an infant girl, promising to marry her when she grows up. Ibn Ishaq places this event during the time of the Battle of Badr in 624 AD when Muhammad was roughly 54 years old. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah diterjemahkan oleh Guillaume, pp. 310-312)

IMPLIKASI MORAL

1. Muhammad berhadapan dengan etika universal segala zaman (apalagi modern). Pantaskah, seorang yang mengaku dirinya ‘nabi’, mengawini anak di bawah umur? Apa urusan kakek gaek berusia 54 tahun mengawini anak perempuan kecil yang belum puber dengan alasan untuk dapat ‘bermain-main’?

2. Dampak destruktif yang ditimbulkan terhadap si anak perempuan, baik psikologis maupun fisik.

Penulis Wade Davis dalam bukunya One River hal. 228, (Simon & Schuster), mengemukakan tentang bahaya rusaknya tulang pinggul anak perempuan yang dipaksakan berhubungan seks dengan pria dewasa karena struktur anatomi yang belum terbentuk sempurna.

"These were Loayza's concubines, Indian children who grew into adolescence physically deformed, their hips weak and permanently dislocated from intercourse."
"Sexual contact between children and adults: A life course perspective."


Selanjutnya:

Browning, Christopher R; Laumann, Edward O

Citation: American Sociological Review, v62n4, pp.540-560, Aug 1997
Number: 03374356 Features: Table; Illustration; References
Copyright: American Sociological Association 1997

"Research interest in the long-term effects of sexual contact between female children and adults has increased dramatically in the last two decades. Two sets of issues have driven this enhanced attention. The first concerns the nature and extent of the impact these experiences have on subsequent well-being in adulthood. Empirical research has offered evidence of the severe and wide ranging effects of adult-child sex by documenting its associations with a host of later "symptoms," such as low self-esteem, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction."
"In each reduced model (Model 1), we see that adult-child sexual contact is significantly associated with the outcome considered. Women who experienced adult-child sexual contact were 1.6 times as likely to report sexual desire dysfunction, 2.1 times as likely to report sexual response dysfunction, 2.4 times as likely to report high dysfunction, 1.6 times as likely to report low overall well being, 1.7 times as likely to report low relationship satisfaction, and had more sexual activities that they found appealing compared with those who had no coupled sexual experiences as children. For every outcome except high dysfunction and number of sex acts found appealing, the introduction of the sexual trajectory variables (Models 2 and 3) renders the adult-child sexual contact coefficient insignificant, indicating that the effects of adult-child sex on adult outcomes are largely indirect, mediated through sexual trajectories."

3. Pernikahan Muhammad-Aisyah mendorong munculnya fatwa-fatwa yang menjustifikasi perkawinan dengan anak-anak di bawah umur.
Sandra Mackey dalam "Saudis, Inside the Desert Kingdom" menulis pada hal.161:

"Girls are considered marriageable from the time they reach puberty. The lower class marries very young. The ages for marriage and first pregnancy on Tarut Island, off the east coast, were published in a rare study on women that I unearthed from a library. In the group as a whole, the mean age for marriage was fourteen, with the first pregnancy occurring at sixteen. Out of 193 girls, 3 married as young as ten. Among the Bedouins and the rural poor, a girl can be the second of two wives, married to a man older than her father, the mother of several children, and suffering from severe depression by the age of eighteen."

Miriam Ali dalam "Without Mercy", diterbitkan oleh Warner Books, 1995 menceritakan pengalaman anak-anak perempuannya, Nadia dan Zana, yang diculik dan dijadikan istri-istri orang di Yaman. Keduanya masih di awal usia remaja:

page 123: Gowan (a man who purchased one of Miriam's daughters) laughed in my face. "They are not your daughters Miriam, they are ours (because the men purchased the girls). Mine and Abdul Khada. I paid good money for Nadia to bear children for my son, as Abdul Khada paid for Zana....Muthana (Miriam's husband) knows this. He knew this when we struck our deal. He has no problem with it........."Do you think I would allow this, the sale of my own daughters?" What is it to do with you Miriam? This is man's business, nothing for a woman to concern herself with."

page 300: I discovered that I wasn't the only one to have suffered at the hands of a Shamiri. I now knew at least 5 other mothers who have had their children taken to Yemen. This had accounted for at least 10 other children, the majority of them female. I knew that there were many more like them.
Zana had met so many girls taken from the Midlands (England), taken by force who were now in Yemen. One was a petite blonde from Derby. She was 9 years old when she was taken and had already three miscarriages when she became pregnant a forth time. This time the child had been stillborn. The death of this little baby had taken the child-mother's sanity. She was 12 years old. Another, also 12 years old, often chatted to Zana, telling her she could still count to 10 in English. She told Zana how desperate she was to go home to England. As they talked together, she suckled a child at her breast.

page 387: It's the Islam mom, I am Muslim, I can't come home with you. He said he would bring me, but it is not up to me, if -- if I can come home or not, it is up to him. I want to come home, but....."

page 390: "Imagine if you will, that this is your life, that this has happened to your own flesh and blood. Imagine a strange man touching her, beating her, raping her, impregnating her then laughing smugly in her face as she suffers."

"Please don't forget me, please don't leave me here too long, please." --- Nadia Muhsen, Taiz, Yemen. Feburary, 1992.



Kemudian dari PRINCESS, karya JEAN SASSON

page 74: In Saudi Arabia, the appearance of the first menses means that it is time to select the first veil and abaaya.

page 75: A child enters the store, but a woman emerges, veiled, and on that day, of marriageable age. Her life changes in that split second.


BAGONG JUGA NIH MUHAMMAD! NABI KOK KELEWAT MANUSIAWI!!

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Metalizer wrote:Jika kebutuhan primer hidup manusia adalah pangan, maka seorang pedofilia juga dikenali dari karakternya yang menjadikan orientasi sex kepadi anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primernya dalam hal berhubungan sex.
Udah diketawain sama K' Fox...
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"a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children" --> satu frase ini bisa2nya disimpulkan oleh Metalizer menjadi "kebutuhan primer" hanya karena ada kata "primary" di situ....
memang bener prasangka K' Fox (dan saya sendiri)... dan makin mencurigakan kalau Metalizer memang agak jeblok dalam Bahasa Inggris Image

Kalau dipisah jadinya kan gini to, Met:
  • # a primary sexual interest in prepubescent children --> ketertarikan seksual terutama pada anak2
    # an exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children --> ketertarikan seksual semata-mata/hanya pada anak2
Mudeng sekarang, Jems? Image

Btw sekali2 sebelum kepedean ngeklaim alibi basi muslim bahwa Muhammad juga menikahi perempuan2 usia 20-an nan cantik2 untuk menunjukkan Muhammad tidak mengidap pedofil, baca dulu artikel2 mengenai pedofil seperti ini misalnya:
  • Ada beberapa macam pedofilia antara lain:

    1. Pedofilia tipe eksklusif (Fixated):
    seseorang yang hanya tertarik pada anak-anak kecil, umumnya tidak memiliki rasa ketertarikan dengan orang dewasa. Mereka kebanyakan seorang laki-laki dewasa dan cenderung menyukai anak laki-laki. Hal ini disebabkan karena mereka tumbuh melalui hubungan yang erat antar sesama anak laki-laki. Pedofilia tipe ini biasanya melakukan aktivitas di tempat-tempat dimana banyak anak laki-laki berkumpul seperti tempat olah raga, atau daerah dekat perumahan.

    2. Pedofilia tipe non eksklusif (Regressed):
    Seseorang yang tidak hanya tertarik pada anak kecil tetapi pada orang dewasa. Umumnya mereka adalah laki-laki dewasa yang sudah menikah dengan seorang wanita dewasa juga, dan tetap memiliki ketertarikan terhadap anak perempuan berusia antara 8-10 tahun. Mereka memandang anak kecil sebagai pengganti orang dewasa, dan memperlakukan mereka layaknya orang dewasa. Perilaku penyimpangan seksual pertama terhadap anak-anak biasanya terjadi secara mendadak dan tidak direncanakan.
    (miki: Muhammad posisinya disini nih.... Image)

    3. Cross sex pedofilia:
    seorang laki-laki yang suka menyentuh secara seksual anak perempuan. Biasanya tipe ini termasuk kedalam tipe pedofilia regressed. Mereka biasanya berteman dengan anak-anak perempuan dan perlahan-lahan melakukan aktivitas seksual dengan cara merayu dan bukan dengan jalan memaksa anak tersebut. Aktivitas mereka termasuk menyentuh secara seksual anak kecil, dan menyuruh anak tersebut melakukan hal yang sama terhadap mereka dan kemungkinan melakukan stimulasi oral tetapi mereka jarang sekali melakukan hubungan seksual.
    (miki: Muhammad juga disini lagi.... Image)

    4. Same sex pedofilia:
    Banyak penderita pedofilia yang melakukan hubungan seksual atau memiliki fantasi seksual kepada anak kecil yang berkelamin sama, dan mereka tidak melakukan hubungan seksual dengan orang dewasa yang berkelamin berbeda, namun mereka menolak jika disebut seorang homoseksual. Umumnya usia anak laki-laki yang rentan dianiaya secara seksual oleh pedofilia tipe ini adalah antara 10-12 tahun. Aktivitas seksual yang biasanya dilakukan berupa meraba-raba tubuh anak, masturbasi, stimulasi oral oleh anak-laki-laki dan seks anal dimana pria dewasa yang berperan aktif.
    (miki: loh?! Disini lagi2 Muhammad juga ikut.... Image)
    MUHAMMAD MENCIUM ALAT KELAMIN ANAK LAKI2
    MUHAMMAD DOYAN NGISAP LIDAH BOCAH

    5. Pedofilia perempuan:
    Mayoritas penderita pedofilia adalah kaum pria, namun juga dapat ditemukan pada perempuan. Namun demikian penderita pedofilia wanita biasanya tidak terlalu menonjol karena rasa kasih sayang wanita terhadap anak-anak terlihat sebagai sikap keibuan. Anak laki-laki tidak memiliki pandangan negatif bila berhubungan seksual dengan wanita dewasa oleh karena itu tidak ada yang melaporkan jika hal ini terjadi. Jika terdapat pelaporan mengenai pelecehan seksual maka biasanya hal itu terjadi antara anak laki-laki berusia sekitar 12 tahun dengan seorang wanita berusia 20 tahunan. Wanita tersebut biasanya sudah dikenal baik oleh korban seperti teman dari orang tua korban, tetangga maupun orang yang mengasuh korban sehari-harinya.
Jems, junjungan anda memang pedofiiiiiiiiiiiil betul.
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Metalizer wrote:
knowledgenya sama...



Jika kebutuhan primer hidup manusia adalah pangan, maka seorang pedofilia juga dikenali dari karakternya yang menjadikan orientasi sex kepadi anak kecil
sebagai kebutuhan primernya dalam hal berhubungan sex.



Primary = primer = dasar atau priority



sama sekali tidak sesuai dengan karakter muhammad, sepanjang riwayat hidup muhammad faktanya tidak ada catatan yang menunjukkan bahwa muhammad menjadikan hubungan sex terhadap anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primer sexuality.



Selain Aisyah, rata2 semua istri2 muhammad tercatat berusia di atas 20 tahun.



Dengan demikian berdasarkan referensi ini :



As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary.



prilaku muhammad tidak bisa dimasukkan dalam kategori pedofilia.
Foxhound wrote:




Met! "Primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children"... kamu bisa jelaskan primary nya, kenapa nggak jelasin "exclusive" nya? berani mati!!
apanya yang berani mati ?
:stun:
rencana saya memang mau membahasnya secara bertahap, mau membahas dari segi makna "primary"nya dulu...Anda saja yang tergesa2
Foxhound wrote: Primary itu artinya yang utama, yang juga artinya apabila seseorang punya sexual interest bermacam2, anak kecil, sesama jenis, orang tua, dll, tetapi primarynya adalah anak kecil, dia termasuk pedophile
exactly...!!!

Dengan demikian, artinya apabila seseorang punya sexual interest bermacam2, anak kecil, sesama jenis, orang tua, dll, tetapi primarynya tidak terhadap anak kecil, maka dia tidak termasuk pedophile

anggaplah catatan sejarah tentang perkawinan muhammad dgn gadis belia benar adanya, tapi itu tidak cukup mengantarkan muhammad termasuk ke dalam kategori pengidap pedofilia...Karna primary muhammad tidak terhadap anak kecil, tapi primary muhammad lebih banyak kepada wanita dewasa...
Foxhound wrote: Exclusive, artinya, dia hanya punya sexual interest ke anak kecil saja....
another exactly !!!

Muhammad terbukti tidak hanya punya sexual interest ke anak kecil saja....Bahkan Muhammad lebih banyak mengawini wanita2 janda yang tergolong berumur tua.
Foxhound wrote: Di kasus Muhammad, bukan exclusive, tetapi primary....
salah !!!

Yang benar adalah interesting muhammad terhadap anak kecil itu tidak bersifat primary dan exclusive...Karna itu kategori pedofilia yang dituduhkan kepada muhammad menjadi gugur...
Foxhound wrote: apa benar primarynya anak kecil? Ya tentu... siapa favorite Muhammad?
wrong answer !!!

Primary muhammad jelas tertuju kepada wanita dewasa...Semua janda2 yang dinikahi berusia dewasa, dan satu lagi yang penting...Muhammad terbukti tetap mempertahankan pernikahanya dengan Aisyah sampai Aisyah berumur 20 an lebih...Jika muhammad hanya interest kepada umur Aisyah yang belia, maka muhammad pasti sudah menceraikanya sebelum umur 20 an.
foxhound wrote: lebih jelasnya lagi saya kutip ulang..Bla bla bla bla bla
Pak foxhound...Kembali anda mengeluarkan ciri khas anda, kalau sudah mulai terpojok anda biasanya langsung memenuh2i post sampai setengah halaman.

Di awal kan anda sudah mengutip defenisi pedofilia dari sumber wiki...Jadi tidak ada lagi urgenya anda memenuh2i post dengan menambah defenisi pedofilia dari sumber2 lain seperti APA (asosiasi psikolog america)

hadist2 atau sirat yang menceritakan usia Aisyah pun tidak urgen lagi anda kutip ulang disini...Karna walaupun dan andaikatapun riwayat itu benar, tetap tidak akan bisa mengantarkan prilaku muhammad masuk ke dalam kategori pedofilia.

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ky nyaa Muhamad sembarang ajaa tuch...dr Aisha yg belia sampe janda2 tua SELAMA MASIH BERJENIS KELAMIN WANITA,,yaa embatt ajaa terus... :heart:

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Metalizer wrote:Jika kebutuhan primer hidup manusia adalah pangan, maka seorang pedofilia juga dikenali dari karakternya yang menjadikan orientasi sex kepadi anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primernya dalam hal berhubungan sex.
mikimos wrote:

Udah diketawain sama K' Fox...




orang yang tertawa ga jelas tandanya cuma mau menghibur diri...Saya curiga, buk miki ini pasti lagi menghibur diri...
mikimos wrote: "a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children" --> satu frase ini bisa2nya disimpulkan oleh Metalizer menjadi "kebutuhan primer" hanya karena ada kata "primary" di situ....

memang bener prasangka K' Fox (dan saya sendiri)... dan makin mencurigakan kalau Metalizer memang agak jeblok dalam Bahasa Inggris




buk miki ternyata tidak mudeng dengan kata "or" pada frase di atas...
mikimos wrote: Kalau dipisah jadinya kan gini to, Met:
  • # a primary sexual interest in prepubescent children --> ketertarikan seksual terutama pada anak2




apa bedanya dengan kalimat saya yang ini ? :
Metalizer wrote: seorang pedofilia juga dikenali dari karakternya yang menjadikan orientasi sex kepadi anak kecil sebagai kebutuhan primernya dalam hal berhubungan sex.


ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha
:rolling:

dari dulu saya memang ragu dengan kapasitas buk miki ini dalam mencerna kalimat...
mikimos wrote: # an exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children --> ketertarikan seksual semata-mata/hanya pada anak2[/list]


nah, kita belum masuk ke pembahasan yang exclusive buk miki...Yang sabar to nduk, ntar jadinya malah mempermalukan dirimu sendiri...

mikimos wrote: Btw sekali2 sebelum kepedean ngeklaim alibi basi muslim bahwa Muhammad juga menikahi perempuan2 usia 20-an nan cantik2 untuk menunjukkan Muhammad tidak mengidap pedofil, baca dulu artikel2 mengenai pedofil seperti ini misalnya:



another ciri2 kafirwati sejati...Selalu grasak grusuk membahas masalah, mbok ya di clearkan dulu satu2 toh...Baru ngutip artikel lain, artikelmu yang dari wiki diatas kan belum tuntas ...

Hoalaaah...Miki..Miki...

Ntah Kapan bisa pinternya nih anak, cuma bisa ngurut dada aja dah...

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@Methel
Kebiasaan mu menyunat quote lawan debat tidak berubah :green:
Kheknya tambah parah saja... :finga:

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Metalizer wrote: Pak foxhound...Kembali anda mengeluarkan ciri khas anda, kalau sudah mulai terpojok anda biasanya langsung memenuh2i post sampai setengah halaman.
Dan kamu, kalau sudah ketahuan ngaconya, ad hominem dah senjatanya.... kalau memang nggak mampu nyanggah, nggak perlu ad hominem, itu setengah halaman, sudah cukup membuktikan Muhammad pedophile sejati. Perkataannya, orientasinya.... gua masak kayak elo? Ndak mampu bawa referensi, tapi nekad isinya cuma mendongeng mulu? Kalau sudah kejebak, kabur dah dari thread....
Metalizer wrote:orang yang tertawa ga jelas tandanya cuma mau menghibur diri...Saya curiga, buk miki ini pasti lagi menghibur diri...
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ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha
:rolling:
:green:

Metalizer wrote:hadist2 atau sirat yang menceritakan usia Aisyah pun tidak urgen lagi anda kutip ulang disini...Karna walaupun dan andaikatapun riwayat itu benar, tetap tidak akan bisa mengantarkan prilaku muhammad masuk ke dalam kategori pedofilia.
Bantah kalau gitu dengan asumsi hadits2 dan riwayat itu benar.... bahwa Muhammad tidak pedophile. Dari keinginannya dan orientasinya, hadits dan riwayat menunjukkan Muhammad itu pedophile.

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Foxhound wrote: Dari keinginannya dan orientasinya, hadits dan riwayat menunjukkan Muhammad itu pedophile.
didukung dengan bukti ini :
oglikom wrote: Terus bagaimana caranya untuk berbaik sangka dengan si kakek muhammad menggauli bocah 9 th dan menceritakan bahwa rasanya seperti tharid???
suatu sensasi eksklusif yang didapat muhammad dari bini ciliknya, sensasi yang begitu spesial/eksklusif sehingga sampai harus dicatat dalam sejarah kehidupan muhammad.

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