Duladi Mengadili Muhammad (Mari kita usut tuntas!)

Kehidupan, pengikut, kepercayaan, pikiran dan ucapan Muhammad.
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Yehuda wrote:#-o

Ustad-ustad'na lagi di situs sebelah...dan mereka ga pernah mau turun tangan disini sehingga mereka utus si montje dan PP ke sini...

Peace...

\:D/
gw udah keliling monas trus balik ke sini juga tuh montje sama PP kaga dateng2 nih??!!
gimana nih pak hakim??
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ninja wrote:
gw udah keliling monas trus balik ke sini juga tuh montje sama PP kaga dateng2 nih??!!
gimana nih pak hakim??
nyarinya jgn ke monas, tapi ke hotel tempat miyabi nginep.... :rofl:
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Duladi wrote:Yth Sdr Adadeh (Tim Penasehat saya),

Selain dari Sirat Rasul, apakah kisah pembunuhan Ashma binti Marwan ini juga ada diceritakan di sumber lain?
Kalau ada, mohon Sdr Adadeh yang Ahli Sejarah Islam memperkuat laporan pembunuhan itu di pengadilan ini dari sumber lain tersebut.

Mohon kesediaannya.
Ada di Ibn Sa'd, bang Dul. Website Daniel Pipes mengutip terjemahan buku Ibn Sa'd ke dalam bhs. Inggris:
Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume II part 1 & 2 pages 30-31.
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http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/154801

SARIYYAH OF 'UMAYR IBN 'ADI

Then (occurred) the sariyyah of 'Umayr ibn 'Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against 'Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. 'Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him 'Umayr, "basir" (the seeing).

terjemahan:
Maka terjadilah sariyyah of 'Umayr ibn 'Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi melawan 'Asma' Bint Marwan, dari Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, ketika tinggal lima malam lagi tersisa dalam bulan Ramadhan, di awal bulan ke 19 setelah Rasul Allâh hijrah. 'Asma' adalah istri dari Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. Dia benci akan Islam, menyakiti sang Nabi dan membujuk orang² untuk melawan Nabi. Dia menyusun puisi². Umayr ibn Adi datang padanya di malam hari dan masuk rumahnya. Anak² 'Asma' sedang tidur di sekeliling 'Asma.' Ada seorang anak yang sedang disusui 'Asma.' Umayr ibn Adi merabai 'Asma' dengan tangannya karena dia buta, dan memisahkan anak yang sedang disusui dari sisi 'Asma.' Umayr menusukkan pedangnya ke dalam dada 'Asma' sampai tembus ke punggungnya. Lalu dia melakukan sholat subuh dengan Nabi di al-Medina. Rasul Allâh berkata padanya, "Sudahkah kau membunuh putri Marwan?" Umayr menjawab, "Sudah. Apakah ada lagi yang harus kulakukan bagimu?" Rasul Allâh menjawab,"Tidak. Dua kambing tidak akan bertumbukkan kepala tentang dia." Inilah kata pertama yang didengar dari Rasul Allâh. Rasul Allâh menyebut Umayr sebagai, "basir" (yang melihat).

Harap diingat bahwa 'Asma' binti Marwan jadi benci pada Islam setelah peristiwa Badr, di mana Muhammad membunuhi banyak tokoh Quraish dan merampok banyak harta benda Quraish. Bahkan sebelum prampokan Badr sekalipun, Muhammad sudah banyak melakukan perampokan² terhadap pedagang Quraish yang bergerak dari Mekah ke Syria. Medinah (tempat tinggal Muhammad setelah Hijrah) terletak diantara kota Mekah dan Syria, sehingga Muhammad punya tempat strategis untuk menyergap para pedagang di tengah jalan.

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Syria terletak di bagian Utara, dekat Israel.
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Nah, itu tambahan laporan dari Sdr Adadeh, sang Penasehat saya, mengenai PEMBUNUHAN ASHMA yang didalangi Muhammad.
Apakah ada sanggahan dari PIHAK PEMBELA?
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Duladi wrote:Nah, itu tambahan laporan dari Sdr Adadeh, sang Penasehat saya, mengenai PEMBUNUHAN ASHMA yang didalangi Muhammad.
Apakah ada sanggahan dari PIHAK PEMBELA?
Kalo gak ada yg mau membela saya akan bertekad memberanikan diri tapi keder juga nih...mohon bantuan dr muslim/ah.
mmmm....kalo pembelanya kalah di hukum gak??? janji dulu kalo di hukum batal deh...
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mana nih TPM(Team Pembela Muhamad) ??
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Terhitung sudah 1 minggu dan ternyata sampai saat ini Laskar" Muslim tdk bs memberikan sanggahan maupun pembelaan
maka dengan berat hati saya (sebagai penonton + pemerhati) nyatakan Muhammad bersalah.

Case 1 closed
Sekian dan Terima kasih

Lanjut.... :rock:
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Gw mau jogging dulu sambil nunggu siapa tau ada tim pembela Mohammad yg mau nemani gw. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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masa gada muslim yang bisa bela muhammad? :-({|=
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om head fixernya takut, kayak orang-orang di arrahmah juga takut sewaktu ditanya-tanyain soal jihad....

aku heran, kenapa ya om-om di sini pada takut disadarin?
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Sy persilahkan sdr kompas utk memberi sanggahan
jgn buat kafir menunggu terlalu lama ya.
Keburu basi nanti...... \:D/

Peace... :-({|=
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up lagi sapatau ada muslim baru yang jadi tim pembela :lol:
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sidang berlangsung tanpa perlawanan penonton kecewa hhhhuuuuuuuuuu
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Duladi ini cukup menarik juga , kelihatannya bisa jadi teman diskusi yang mengasyikan.
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Kafiru euy wrote:Sy persilahkan sdr kompas utk memberi sanggahan
jgn buat kafir menunggu terlalu lama ya.
Keburu basi nanti...... \:D/

Peace... :-({|=
aduh...please deh. jangan undang kompas. gue udah minta muslim ganti pemain. doi sudah muka badak. ngomong gak konsistent, muter2, tukang selfproclaim, nafsir semau gue. tapi terus aja koar2 gak jelas. undang muslim yg lain aja deh.
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Tadi didepan gw liat tim pembela muhammad kumpul di tukang ketoprak
disana ada Head Fixer, Pembawa Pedang, Jihadzone, Gaston, Kompas dan begundal fpi
mereka keliatan asik berdiskusi, sekelebatan gue denger :

Gaston : "engga usah dibela deh, kita tinggalin aja "
Pembawa Pedang : " kok kamu begitu Ton, inikan pengadilan nabi kita"
Gaston : "iya sih tapi apa yg mau dibela ? udeh ketuan salah kok nabi kita !"
Begundal fpi : " Grrr ... " sambil meng acung2kan celurit, pentungan, pisau lipet
......
Head Fixer : ude jangan ribut, bagaimana manurut bang Kompas ?
Kompas : " ... ... ... ... " Kompas hanya bisa melongo dengan wajah **** nya
Begundal fpi : " Grrr ... " sambil meng acung2kan celurit, pentungan, pisau lipet diikuti dengan teriakan : " bakar ...
bakar aja pengadilannya .... allohubakar ... pateni hakimnya .... "
......
begitu yg gw denger ... keliatannya mereka mau bubar ...
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jadi...

kesimpulannya, Muhammad udah divonis jadi Napi ya?
Ikh, Napi kok masing dipercaya jadi Nabi.

hehehe.
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Cb yg di bangku cadangan segera dimainkan dong (Nalika, Lemah abang,dlll..) ..... :supz:
Apa mmg diskusi ini sdh deadlock ya ?.... #-o ... #-o
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Saya pindahkan pembelaan Head Fixer kemari dari: benarkah-muhammad-teladan-sempurna-t357 ... ml#p541347
Head wrote: gak ada tuh teladan si asma dibunuh karena dia kapir. tapi karena kelakuan dan tindakannya yg mengancam keutuhan ummat dan adanya provokasi thd orang untuk membuat makar dan pemberontakan.
Apakah yang diucapkan Asma itu FITNAH ataukah KEBENARAN?

Kalau apa yang dikatakan Asma itu benar, kemudian Muhammad memerintahkan pengikutnya buat membunuh Asma, bukankah itu artinya, Muhammad-lah penjahatnya? Dia hendak menutup mulut Asma agar rahasia kebusukan dan kepalsuan dirinya tidak semakin beredar luas dan membahayakan karirnya sebagai nabi palsu?

Tapi kalau yang dikatakan Asma itu fitnah, di manakah letak fitnahnya?
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Numpang nulis ah ...

Ini gua dapet dari :
http://www.khalidzaheer.com/qa/894

Banu Quraiza and the killing of Asma bint Marwan, who ridiculed the prophet.

Question:
Recently I came across two particular criticisms of Islam that I found a bit disturbing to learn and harder to defend or explain, so I wanted to ask you about them instead of jumping to conclusions. They were about the Bani Quraiza tribe and the killing of Asma bint Marwan. Asma was allegedly killed just for merely writing poems against the Prophet and Islam. What's your take on this and is it true/authentic? The killing of Asma is mentioned in Ibn Ishaq's sira, and from what I know Ibn ishaq's sira or biography is the most authentic one and oldest surviving one as it's around 100 after the prophet's death. I would really appreciate if you can shed some light on this particular criticism or allegation; and explain what exactly happened with the bani Quraiza tribe.

Response:
Banu Quraizah was one of the three tribes that had entered into a commitment with the prophet, alaihissalaam, that they will cooperate with each other in defending Madinah from the attack of the enemies. However, in the Battle of Khandaq, Banu Quraizah conspired against Muslims and committed treachery. Ultimately when their community was besieged for twenty-five days, and Muslims overpowered them, they themselves opted to be dealt with by an ex-Jew Muslim, Sa'd bin Mu'adh. Sa'd decided about their fate on the basis of the Jewish law, which entailed that their women and children be sold as slaves and their men be killed. Thus God inflicted punishment on them through their own hands. The prophet, alaihissalaam, had no role to play in their annihilation. You can read more about the events that lead to Banu Quraizah's downfall in the following site:

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Arti ... _talib.htm

Asma bint Marwan used to ridicule the prophet, alaihisslaam, in her poetry. Although the prophet always forgave all people who attempted to cause harm to him through their words or deeds, don't forget that he was not an ordinary person but Rasulullah (the messenger of God). The Qur'an has clarified that when a messenger of God delivers the message of Allah to his nation, the immediate addressees of his message become mubah uddam (draining whose blood is permissible) after they have denied him beyond a God-specified deadline. The Quran is unmistakably clear about this law, which the Almighty declares as Sunnatallahi (the way Allah deals). See 17:77, for instance. Asma bint Marwan was therefore killed not by the prophet but by Allah. As a general principle, the prophet, alaihissalaam, always forgave people who caused harm to him. However, when he was asked by the Almighty to get certain people killed through His own law, which He has clearly mentioned in Quran, then he implemented what his God desired of him.
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