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Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby BING GO » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:05 am

He told the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, that he preferred to call himself an agnostic rather than an atheist.
The two men were taking part in a public “dialogue” at Oxford University at the end of a week which has seen bitter debate about the role of religion in public life in Britain.
Last week Baroness Warsi, the Tory party chairman, warned of a tide of “militant secularism” challenging the religious foundations of British society.
The discussion, in Sir Christopher Wren’s Sheldonian Theatre, attracted attention from around the world.
As well as being relayed to two other theatres, it was streamed live on the internet and promoted fierce debate on the Twitter social network.

For an hour and 20 minutes the two men politely discussed "The nature of human beings and the question of their ultimate origin" touching on the meaning of consciousness, the evolution of human language – and Dr Williams’s beard.
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For much of the discussion the Archbishop sat quietly listening to Prof Dawkins’s explanations of human evolution.
At one point he told the professor that he was “inspired” by “elegance” of the professor’s explanation for the origins of life – and agreed with much of it.
Prof Dawkins told him: “What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”
Dr Williams replied that he “entirely agreed” with the “beauty” of Prof Dawkins’s argument but added: “I’m not talking about God as an extra who you shoehorn on to that.”
There was surprise when Prof Dawkins acknowledged that he was less than 100 per cent certain of his conviction that there is no creator.
The philosopher Sir Anthony Kenny, who chaired the discussion, interjected: “Why don’t you call yourself an agnostic?” Prof Dawkins answered that he did.
An incredulous Sir Anthony replied: “You are described as the world’s most famous atheist.”
Prof Dawkins said that he was “6.9 out of seven” sure of his beliefs.
“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,” he added.
He also said that he believed it was highly likely that there was life on other planets.
At one point he discussion strayed onto the theoretical question of whether a traditional cut throat razor could be described as a more complicated thing than an electric shaver.
There was laughter as the Archbishop said he would attempt an answer before adding: “Not that I know much about razors.”
During a wide-ranging discussion the Archbishop also said that he believed that human beings had evolved from non-human ancestors but were nevertheless “in the image of God”.
He also said that the explanation for the creation of the world in the Book of Genesis could not be taken literally.
“The writers of the Bible, inspired as I believe they were, they were nonetheless not inspired to do 21st Century physics,” he said.
When Prof Dawkins suggested that he believed the Pope took a rather more literal interpretation of the origins of humans, the Archbishop joked: “I will ask him some time.”
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby Kibou » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:44 am

Salam kenal, Bro Bing Go.

Saya rasa topik ini lebih cocok dimasukkan ke ruang:

spiritualisme-filsafat-keyakinan-lain-f19.html

Hmmm... Mr Dawkins sekarang udah melunak, dan menjadi agnostik? Good for him!
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby MaNuSiA_bLeGuG » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:44 pm

id kelahiran 2007 ? wow...welcome back!!!

btw asli ato cuma kloningan neh ? hihihi...just curious :rolling:
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby Aldin » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:57 pm

oooh...baru tau aku kalau ini forum agama Islampobhie toh?...bukan forum Ateis....
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby Mohammedluv » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:08 pm

saya juga baru mengerti islam itu ideologi kristenophobia.
islam adalah ideologi yg terbangun diatas dasar kebencian
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby snipey » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:44 pm

Aldin wrote:oooh...baru tau aku kalau ini forum agama Islampobhie toh?...bukan forum Ateis....


anda keberatan dgn hal itu?
Keberatannya di mana?
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby swatantre » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:53 pm

MaNuSiA_bLeGuG wrote:id kelahiran 2007 ? wow...welcome back!!!

btw asli ato cuma kloningan neh ? hihihi...just curious :rolling:

udah murtad ato emang asli kapirun ya ane ingat2 kelupaan... :green:
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby momed_xxx3 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:35 pm

Hmmm jadi gthu tho, hmmm :tonqe:
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Re: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist

Postby Kibou » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:22 pm

Ngomong-ngomong soal Prof. Dawkins, bulan Maret yang lalu beliau mendapat tantangan dari David Rolfe:
An open letter to Richard Dawkins

29th March 2012
Dear Richard Dawkins

It is really not sufficient to dismiss the Shroud, as you do, on the basis of a C14 test from a single and badly selected sample area. Are you really saying that C14 has never made a mistake? Archaeologists frequently go back to retest something when other data conflicts. That has been impossible with the Shroud.

In your Shroud blog you argue, rightly in my view, that it is not enough for Christian apologists to weigh faith heavier than facts. After all, Christianity is based on a historical figure. The Shroud of Turin is a much-
studied tangible object and it is a very significant fact that its unique image - so far - remains unfathomable. But that could be about to change if you, with the weight of your formidable foundation behind you, choose to accept this challenge.

When Professor Hall, Head of the Oxford Radio Carbon Unit announced the C14 result he was asked for his explanation for the Shroud. He said: “Someone just got a bit of linen, faked it up and flogged it”. This sounded a bit glib at the time and now, over twenty years on, it is beginning to sound a little hollow. No one has yet been able to show how it might have been “faked up”.

Accepting this challenge would appear to be consistent with your foundation's mission. Does it not represent a wonderful educational opportunity to investigate what some have suggested could only have been the work of a Leonardo Da Vinci? To make the decision easier for you we will donate the £20,000 to your foundation if you simply accept the challenge and follow it through to some kind of conclusion. The public can make up their own minds about the result.*

The challenge then, if you choose to accept it, is to explain how the Shroud and its image might have come into existence. You will find a list of the most significant image characteristics here. If you cannot pin it down then, in all conscience, you should, at least, give it the appropriate respect as an enigma. If you can explain it then this site’s title becomes a misnomer and you will have solved a great mystery. Everyone would like to see this matter resolved. Could you be the one to do it?

With all good wishes

David Rolfe
Publisher
Shroud-enigma.com


Semoga Prof Dawkins bersedia menerima tantangan tersebut.
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