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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

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Ada yang aneh?
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby MaNuSiA_bLeGuG » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:47 am

muslim_netral wrote:
ada yg aneh ?


1. 200 tahun yg lalu bhs arab bhs universal, bahkan kolombus ketemu indian yg pake bhs arab. kolombus ketemu amrik 200 thn yg lalu ya ? :lol:

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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby muslim_netral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:37 pm

muslim_netral wrote:ada yg aneh ?

MaNuSiA_bLeGuG wrote:1. 200 tahun yg lalu bhs arab bhs universal, bahkan kolombus ketemu indian yg pake bhs arab. kolombus ketemu amrik 200 thn yg lalu ya ? :lol:


Dia tidak mengatakan Columbus ketemu Amrik 200 thn yang lalu, yang dia bilang bahasa Arab adalah bahasa universal 200 thn yang lalu, gak bisa nyimak yah? cocok bener dengan sandangan namamu.
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby paidjoh » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:42 pm

muslim_netral wrote:
Dia tidak mengatakan Columbus ketemu Amrik 200 thn yang lalu, yang dia bilang bahasa Arab adalah bahasa universal 200 thn yang lalu, gak bisa nyimak yah? cocok bener dengan sandangan namamu.


menurut anda, apa maksud si sayikh membawa nama Christopher Columbus ??
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby MaNuSiA_bLeGuG » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:00 pm

muslim_netral wrote:
Dia tidak mengatakan Columbus ketemu Amrik 200 thn yang lalu, yang dia bilang bahasa Arab adalah bahasa universal 200 thn yang lalu, gak bisa nyimak yah? cocok bener dengan sandangan namamu.


jdi apa maksudnya bawa2 nama kolombus klo bukan utk menyokong pendapatnya bhw bahsa arab adalah bhs universal 200 thn yg lalu ?

tampaknya ente yg ga bisa menyimak :lol:
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby muslim_netral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:15 pm

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Dia tidak mengatakan Columbus ketemu Amrik 200 thn yang lalu, yang dia bilang bahasa Arab adalah bahasa universal 200 thn yang lalu, gak bisa nyimak yah? cocok bener dengan sandangan namamu.

paidjoh wrote:menurut anda, apa maksud si sayikh membawa nama Christopher Columbus ??


"Columbus bukanlah orang pertama yang menemukan benua Amerika, para pelancong muslim lah yang lebih duluan ke sana, hingga Columbus harus selalu membawa-bawa guide yang bisa bicara dengan suku-suku native Amerika di mana salah satu bahasa yang digunakan adalah bahasa Arab.

Bila suatu saat Anda berkesempatan mengunjungi Washington DC, datanglah ke Perpustakaan Kongres (Library of Congress). Lalu, mintalah arsip perjanjian pemerintah Amerika Serikat dengan suku Cherokee, salah satu suku Indian, tahun 1787. Di sana akan ditemukan tanda tangan Kepala Suku Cherokee saat itu, bernama AbdeKhak dan Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah.

Isi perjanjian itu antara lain adalah hak suku Cherokee untuk melangsungkan keberadaannya dalam perdagangan, perkapalan, dan bentuk pemerintahan suku cherokee yang saat itu berdasarkan hukum Islam. Lebih lanjut, akan ditemukan kebiasaan berpakaian suku Cherokee yang menutup aurat sedangkan kaum laki-lakinya memakai turban (surban) dan terusan hingga sebatas lutut.

ImageCara berpakaian ini dapat ditemukan dalam foto atau lukisan suku cherokee yang diambil gambarnya sebelum tahun 1832. Kepala suku terakhir Cherokee sebelum akhirnya benar-benar punah dari daratan Amerika adalah seorang Muslim bernama Ramadan Ibnu Wati.

ImageBerbicara tentang suku Cherokee, tidak bisa lepas dari Sequoyah. Ia adalah orang asli suku cherokee yang berpendidikan dan menghidupkan kembali Syllabary suku mereka pada 1821. Syllabary adalah semacam aksara. Jika kita sekarang mengenal abjad A sampai Z, maka suku Cherokee memiliki aksara sendiri.

Yang membuatnya sangat luar biasa adalah aksara yang dihidupkan kembali oleh Sequoyah ini mirip sekali dengan aksara Arab. Bahkan, beberapa tulisan masyarakat cherokee abad ke-7 yang ditemukan terpahat pada bebatuan di Nevada sangat mirip dengan kata ”Muhammad” dalam bahasa Arab."
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby muslim_netral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:27 pm

MaNuSiA_bLeGuG wrote:jdi apa maksudnya bawa2 nama kolombus klo bukan utk menyokong pendapatnya bhw bahsa arab adalah bhs universal 200 thn yg lalu ?

tampaknya ente yg ga bisa menyimak :lol:


Iyah, betul, untuk menyokong hal tersebut, tapi dia tidak bilang Columbus datang ke Amrik 200 thn yang lalu, belegug...
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby paidjoh » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:28 pm

muslim_netral wrote:
"Columbus bukanlah orang pertama yang menemukan benua Amerika, para pelancong muslim lah yang lebih duluan ke sana, hingga Columbus harus selalu membawa-bawa guide yang bisa bicara dengan suku-suku native Amerika di mana salah satu bahasa yang digunakan adalah bahasa Arab.



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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee

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Cherokee
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From the top, L-R:

John Ross or Tsanusdi; Colonel E. C. Boudinot Jr.; Samuel Smith; Lilly Smith: Walini; Marcia Pascal; Lillian Gross; William Penn; Thomas M. Cook
Total population
316,049+
(Eastern Band: 13,000+, Cherokee Nation: 288,749, United Keetoowah Band: 14,300)[1]
Regions with significant populations
United States United States
(North Carolina North Carolina, Oklahoma Oklahoma)
Languages

English, Cherokee
Religion

Christianity, Kituhwa, Four Mothers Society,[2] Native American Church[3]
This article contains Cherokee syllabic characters. Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks, boxes, or other symbols instead of Cherokee syllabics.

The Cherokee /ˈtʃɛrəkiː/ (Cherokee: ᏣᎳᎩ Tsalagi) are a Native American people historically settled in the Southeastern United States (principally Georgia, the Carolinas and East Tennessee). Linguistically, they are part of the Iroquoian language family. In the 19th century, historians and ethnographers recorded their oral tradition that told of the tribe having migrated south in ancient times from the Great Lakes region, where other Iroquoian-speaking peoples were located.[4] They began to have contact with European traders in the 18th century.

In the 19th century, white settlers in the United States called the Cherokee one of the "Five Civilized Tribes", because they had assimilated numerous cultural and technological practices of European American settlers. According to the 2000 U.S. Census, the Cherokee Nation has more than 300,000 members, the largest of the 565 federally recognized Native American tribes in the United States.[5]

Of the three federally recognized Cherokee tribes, the Cherokee Nation and the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians (UKB) have headquarters in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. The UKB are mostly descendants of "Old Settlers", Cherokee who migrated to Arkansas and Oklahoma about 1817. The Cherokee Nation are related to the people who were forcibly relocated there in the 1830s under the Indian Removal Act. The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is located on the Qualla Boundary in western North Carolina.

In addition, there are Cherokee bands in the Southeast that are recognized as tribes by state governments, such as the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama, but not the federal government.
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1 Name
2 Origins
3 Early culture
4 History
4.1 17th century: English contact
4.2 18th century
4.2.1 Scots (and other Europeans) among the Cherokee in the 18th century
4.3 19th Century
4.3.1 Acculturation
4.3.2 Removal era
4.3.2.1 Trail of Tears
4.3.2.2 Eastern Band
4.3.3 Civil War
4.3.4 Reconstruction and late 19th century
5 Culture
5.1 Marriage
5.2 Cultural institutions
6 Language and writing system
7 Treaties and government
7.1 Treaties
7.2 Government
8 Modern Cherokee tribes
8.1 Cherokee Nation
8.2 Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians
8.3 United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians
8.4 Relations among the three federally recognized Cherokee tribes
9 Contemporary settlement
10 Membership controversies
10.1 Tribal recognition and membership
10.2 Cherokee Freedmen
11 Notable Cherokee in history
12 See also
13 Notes
14 References
15 External links

Name

The Cherokee refer to themselves as Tsalagi (ᏣᎳᎩ) or Aniyvwiyaʔi (ᎠᏂᏴᏫᏯᎢ), which means "Principal People." The Iroquois, who were based in New York, called the Cherokee Oyata’ge'ronoñ (inhabitants of the cave country).

Many theories – though none proven – abound about the origin of the word Cherokee. It may have originally been derived from the Choctaw word Cha-la-kee, which means "those who live in the mountains", or Choctaw Chi-luk-ik-bi, meaning "those who live in the cave country".[6] The earliest Spanish rendering of Cherokee, from 1755, is Tchalaquei.[7] Another theory is that "Cherokee" derives from a Lower Creek word, Ciló-kki, meaning someone who speaks another language.[8] The most likely derivation, however, is an Anglicisation of their autonym, or name for themselves: Tsalagi in their language.[citation needed]
Origins
Great Smoky Mountains

There are two prevailing views about Cherokee origins. One is that the Cherokee, an Iroquoian-speaking people, are relative latecomers to Southern Appalachia, who may have migrated in late prehistoric times from northern areas, the traditional territory of the later Haudenosaunee five nations and other Iroquoian-speaking peoples. Researchers in the 19th century recorded conversations with elders who recounted an oral tradition of the Cherokee people's migrating south from the Great Lakes region in ancient times.[4] The other theory, which is disputed by academic specialists, is that the Cherokee had been in the Southeast for thousands of years. There is no archeological evidence for this.

Some traditionalists, historians and archaeologists believe that the Cherokee did not come to Appalachia until the 15th century or later. They may have migrated from the north and moved south into Muscogee Creek territory and settled at the sites of mounds built by the Mississippian culture. During early research, archeologists had mistakenly attributed several Mississippian culture sites to the Cherokee, including Moundville and Etowah Mounds. Late 20th-century studies have shown conclusively instead that the weight of archeological evidence at the sites shows they are unquestionably related to ancestors of Muskogean peoples rather than to the Cherokee.

Precontact Cherokee are considered to be part of the later Pisgah Phase of Southern Appalachia, which lasted from circa 1000 to 1500.[9] Despite the consensus among most specialists in Southeast archeology and anthropology, some scholars contend that ancestors of the Cherokee people lived in western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee for a far longer period of time.[10] During the late Archaic and Woodland Period, Indians in the region began to cultivate plants such as marsh elder, lambsquarters, pigweed, sunflowers and some native squash. People created new art forms such as shell gorgets, adopted new technologies, and followed an elaborate cycle of religious ceremonies. During the Mississippian Culture-period (800 to 1500 CE), local women developed a new variety of maize (corn) called eastern flint. It closely resembled modern corn and produced larger crops. The successful cultivation of corn surpluses allowed the rise of larger, more complex chiefdoms with several villages and concentrated populations during this period. Corn became celebrated among numerous peoples in religious ceremonies, especially the Green Corn Ceremony.
Early culture

Much of what is known about pre-18th-century Native American cultures has come from records of Spanish expeditions. The earliest ones of the mid-16th century encountered people of the Mississippian culture, the ancestors to later tribes in the Southeast such as the Creek and Catawba. The Cherokee arrived later, descended from a different people, but they occupied some of the ancient Mississippian sites and were observed by the Spanish. Some of this work was not translated into English and made available to historians until the 20th century. In addition, the dominance of English colonists over the Southeast led to a discounting of Spanish sources for some time.

The American writer John Howard Payne wrote about pre-19th century Cherokee culture and society. The Payne papers describe the account by Cherokee elders of a traditional two-part societal structure. A "white" organization of elders represented the seven clans. As Payne recounted, this group, which was hereditary and priestly, was responsible for religious activities, such as healing, purification, and prayer. A second group of younger men, the "red" organization, was responsible for warfare. The Cherokee considered warfare a polluting activity, and warriors required the purification by the priestly class before participants could reintegrate into normal village life. This hierarchy had disappeared long before the 18th century.

Researchers have debated the reasons for the change. Some historians believe the decline in priestly power originated with a revolt by the Cherokee against the abuses of the priestly class known as the Ani-kutani.[11] Ethnographer James Mooney, who studied the Cherokee in the late 1880s, was the first to trace the decline of the former hierarchy to this revolt.[12] By the time of Mooney, the structure of Cherokee religious practitioners was more informal, based more on individual knowledge and ability than upon heredity.[11]

Another major source of early cultural history comes from materials written in the 19th century by the didanvwisgi (ᏗᏓᏅᏫᏍᎩ), Cherokee medicine men, after Sequoyah's creation of the Cherokee syllabary in the 1820s. Initially only the didanvwisgi adopted and used such materials, which were considered extremely powerful in a spiritual sense.[11] Later, the syllabary and writings were widely adopted by the Cherokee people.

Unlike most other Indians in the American Southeast at the start of the historic era, the Cherokee spoke an Iroquoian language. Since the Great Lakes region was the core of Iroquoian-language speakers, scholars have theorized that the Cherokee migrated South from that region. This is supported by the Cherokee oral history tradition. According to the scholars' theory, the Tuscarora, another Iroquoian-speaking people who inhabited the Southeast in historic times, and the Cherokee broke off from the major group during its northern migration.

Other historians hold that, judging from linguistic and cultural data, the Tuscarora people migrated South from other Iroquoian-speaking people in the Great Lakes region in ancient times. In the 1700s, the Tuscarora left the Southeast and "returned" to the New York area by 1722 because of warfare in the southern region. The Tuscarora were admitted by the Iroquois as the Sixth Nation of their political confederacy.[13]

Linguistic analysis shows a relatively large difference between Cherokee and the northern Iroquoian languages. Scholars posit a split between the groups in the distant past, perhaps 3500–3800 years ago.[14] Glottochronology studies suggest the split occurred between about 1,500 and 1,800 BCE.[15] The Cherokee have claimed the ancient settlement of Kituwa on the Tuckasegee River, formerly next to and now part of Qualla Boundary (the reservation of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians), as the original Cherokee settlement in the Southeast.[14]
History
Main article: Cherokee history
17th century: English contact

In 1654, there was a disturbance in Virginia Colony as the Rechahecrians or Rickahockans, as well as the Siouan Manahoac and Nahyssan, broke through the frontier and settled near the Falls of the James, near present-day Richmond, Virginia. The following year, a combined force of English and Pamunkey drove the newcomers away. The identity of the Rechahecrians has been much debated. Historians noted the name closely resembled that recorded for the Eriechronon or Erielhonan, commonly known as the Erie tribe. The Iroquoian people had been driven away from the southern shore of Lake Erie by the powerful Iroquois Five Nations in 1654. The anthropologist Martin Smith theorized some remnants of the tribe migrated to Virginia after the wars (1986:131–32). Few historians suggest this tribe was Cherokee.[16]

Virginian traders developed a small-scale trading system with the Cherokee before the end of the 17th century; the earliest recorded Virginia trader to visit the Cherokee was a certain Dority, in 1690.[17] The Cherokee sold the traders Indian slaves for use as laborers in Virginia and further north.[18]
18th century
Further information: Cherokee military history
Three Cherokee diplomats in London, 1762

The Cherokees gave sanctuary to a band of Shawnee in the 1660s, but from 1710 to 1715 the Cherokee and Chickasaw, allied with the British, fought Shawnee, who were allied with the French, and forced them to move northward.[19] Cherokees fought with the Yamasee, Catawba, and British in late 1712 and early 1713 against the Tuscarora in the Second Tuscarora War. The Tuscarora War marked the beginning of an English-Cherokee relationship that, despite breaking down on occasion, remained strong for much of the 18th century. With the growth of the deerskin trade, the Cherokee were valuable trading partners, since deer-skins from the cooler country of their mountain hunting-grounds were of a better-quality than those supplied by neighboring tribes.

In January 1716, Cherokee murdered a delegation of Muscogee Creek leaders at the town of Tugaloo, marking their entry into the Yamasee War. It ended in 1717 with peace treaties between South Carolina and the Creek. Hostility and sporadic raids between the Cherokee and Creek continued for decades.[20] These raids came to a head at the Battle of Taliwa in 1755, present-day Ball Ground, Georgia, with the defeat of the Muscogee.

In 1721, the Cherokee ceded lands in South Carolina. In 1730, at Nikwasi, a former Mississippian culture site, a Scots adventurer, Sir Alexander Cumming, crowned Moytoy of Tellico as "Emperor" of the Cherokee. Moytoy agreed to recognize King George II of Great Britain as the Cherokee protector. Cumming arranged to take seven prominent Cherokee, including Attakullakulla, to London, England. The Cherokee delegation signed the Treaty of Whitehall with the British. Moytoy's son, Amo-sgasite (Dreadful Water) attempted to succeed him as "Emperor" in 1741, but the Cherokees elected their own leader, Cunne Shote (Standing Turkey) of Chota.[21]

Political power among the Cherokee remained decentralized and towns acted autonomously. In 1735 the Cherokee were estimated to have sixty-four towns and villages, and 6,000 fighting men. In 1738 and 1739 smallpox epidemics broke out among the Cherokee, who had no natural immunity. Nearly half their population died within a year. Hundreds of other Cherokee committed suicide due to their losses and disfigurement from the disease.

From 1753 to 1755, battles broke out between the Cherokee and Muscogee over disputed hunting grounds in North Georgia. The Cherokee were victorious in the Battle of Taliwa. British soldiers built forts in Cherokee country to defend against the French in the Seven Years War, called the French and Indian War in North America. These included Fort Loudoun near Chota. In 1756 the Cherokee were allies of the British in the French and Indian War. Serious misunderstandings arose quickly between the two allies, resulting in the 1760 Anglo-Cherokee War. King George III's Royal Proclamation of 1763 forbade British settlements west of the Appalachian crest, as his government tried to afford some protection from colonial encroachment to the Cherokee and other tribes. The ruling was difficult to enforce.[22]


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diatas adalah sumber dari wikipedia.
dan karena terlalu panjang maka saya search kata kunci : "islam" dan "moslem"
dan hasilnya adalah : Phrase not found !!!!

bisa anda jelaskan kenapa ??
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby Salam Musa » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:59 pm

muslim_netral .....

menurutmu ..mohon dijawab dengan referensi Quran dan Hadits ... Kenapa manusia memiliki bahasa yang bermacam-macam??
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby muslim_netral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:01 pm

muslim_netral wrote:
"Columbus bukanlah orang pertama yang menemukan benua Amerika, para pelancong muslim lah yang lebih duluan ke sana, hingga Columbus harus selalu membawa-bawa guide yang bisa bicara dengan suku-suku native Amerika di mana salah satu bahasa yang digunakan adalah bahasa Arab.



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Beli bukunya di ebay atau google books, judulnya "Saga America" susunan Dr. Barry Fell ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Fell )

http://www.todaysalternativenews.com/in ... 150&values[0]=2&values[1]=2237
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby paidjoh » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:27 pm

@muslim_netral

mengapa search mbah google dengan kata kunci :"abdel khak cherokee"
cuma menampilkan web2 indonesia dengan isi yang mirip punya anda itu ?
dan tidak ada satupun yang berbahasa asing ?

kira-kira kenapa ya ?
bisa anda jelaskan ?
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby MaNuSiA_bLeGuG » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:31 pm

muslim_netral wrote:
Iyah, betul, untuk menyokong hal tersebut, tapi dia tidak bilang Columbus datang ke Amrik 200 thn yang lalu, belegug...


iyee...jdi ngapain bikin contoh yg kejadiannya ga 200 tahun yang lalu ?

artinya kan dia b3go... dan lu mo aja bela2in orang b3go :lol:
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby paidjoh » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:52 pm

http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=954

Barry Fell
Pre-Columbian Old World inscriptions in the Americas?

Howard Barraclough Fell (1917-1994)

Howard Barraclough Fell (1917-1994)

Howard Barraclough Fell (1917-1994), better known as Barry Fell, has been enormously influential in the United States. He was an accomplished and respected marine biologist from Harvard whose interest in epigraphy (inscriptions) has led him to be described by his followers as “the greatest linguist of the twentieth century” and by sceptics as “a self-promoting pseudo-scientist who threatened to undo more than a century of careful progress in archaeological and anthropological research”. Neither assessment is entirely fair.

Firstly, Barry Fell was a scientist. His training in marine biology meant that he was able to bring what he hoped was a measure of objectivity to controversial areas. However, his pronouncements were often uncompromising, lacking the circumspection and caution that is common in Good Archaeologists’ writings. His certainty in controversial interpretations often served only to enrage Good Archaeologists, making reasoned debate impossible.

Fell’s first foray into epigraphy was a study of Polynesian petroglyphs published in 1940, but it was his book America BC (1976) that really propelled him into popular consciousness. In it, he argued that there are numerous examples of Old World scripts to be found on rock surfaces and objects all over North and South America. This was followed by Saga America (1980), in which he broadened the identifications of both scripts and languages to include Arabic and other scripts as well as maps and a zodiac. The third, Bronze Age America (1982), concentrated on recognising ‘Bronze Age’ Scandinavian texts, two thousand years older than any known runic inscriptions in Europe, at Peterborough, Ontario (Canada). He also published alleged interpretations of the Phaistos Disk and the Rongo-Rongo script of Easter Island as well as an identification of Etruscan as Hittite. According to Barry Fell, there had been numerous pre-Columbian contacts between Europe, Africa and Asia and the New World going back at least three thousand years; none of these (apart from the expedition of Leif Ericsson) was remembered in the Old World.

Many academic archaeologists were more than sceptical of Barry Fell’s claims: they were openly hostile to them. His claims for scientific rigour might hold for marine biology, but when it came to archaeological interpretation, he ignored the usual rules of evidence. Moreover, his publications were largely aimed at non specialists; instead of submitting his papers for publication in peer-reviewed journals (the usual procedure), he preferred to publish either in popular books or through the Epigraphic Society of North America, a society that can be characterised, not altogether unfairly, as being composed of his disciples. In other words, he shows all the characteristics of a Bad Archaeologist.

One of his few academic supporters, David Kelley of the University of Calgary, was one of the first to recognise that the Maya script was essentially phonetic, as opposed to ideographic. He admits that the majority of examples used by Fell are errors of interpretation, but concludes that he has drawn attention to a number of anomalous texts that may indicate some form of pre-Columbian contact. He has even supported some of the claimed Ogham texts, which most mainstream archaeologists dismiss as cracks in the rock face, plough marks or out-and-out forgeries.

There are a number of key sites and identifications that Barry Fell used to bolster his case. Some are superficially impressive, such as the Los Lunas Inscription or the Bat Creek Stone; others, such as the Ogham or Arabic identified in numerous locations, are not.


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menurut anda, apakah menarik kesimpulan (yang anda sangat yakini kebenarannya) dari suatu kontroversi (seperti contoh diatas) adalah suatu TINDAKAN YANG CERDAS ??
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby muslim_netral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:43 pm

paidjoh wrote:
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menurut anda, apakah menarik kesimpulan (yang anda sangat yakini kebenarannya) dari suatu kontroversi (seperti contoh diatas) adalah suatu TINDAKAN YANG CERDAS ??


Kontroversi kan sudah biasa, yakini apa yang Anda yakini, kalau saya cari sesuatu tentu anda akan cari sesuatu juga untuk menolaknya, yah sampai kapanpun gakkan ada titik temu, untuk lebih afdolnnya untuk meneliti jejak keberadaan muslim di amrik jaman dulu kala "datanglah ke Perpustakaan Kongres (Library of Congress). Lalu, mintalah arsip perjanjian pemerintah Amerika Serikat dengan suku Cherokee, salah satu suku Indian, tahun 1787. Di sana akan ditemukan tanda tangan Kepala Suku Cherokee saat itu, bernama AbdeKhak dan Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah."

cek bener apa kagak info itu, saya percaya saja, kecuali anda kasih tiket untuk saya terbang ke sana, hehe...
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby paidjoh » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:04 pm

muslim_netral wrote:Kontroversi kan sudah biasa, yakini apa yang Anda yakini, kalau saya cari sesuatu tentu anda akan cari sesuatu juga untuk menolaknya, yah sampai kapanpun gakkan ada titik temu,


lalu anda meyakininya sebagai kebenaran ??
menurut anda, kalau itu sebagai suatu kebenaran, kenapa muslim tidak mengklaimnya secara besar2an ??
memuatnya dalam journal ilmiah terkemuka 'NATURE' misalnya ?
kok cuma dimuat dalam web2 kelas abal2 ?
web2 resmi berita indonesia malah mecantumkan "?" dalam judulnya !!

muslim_netral wrote: untuk lebih afdolnnya untuk meneliti jejak keberadaan muslim di amrik jaman dulu kala "datanglah ke Perpustakaan Kongres (Library of Congress). Lalu, mintalah arsip perjanjian pemerintah Amerika Serikat dengan suku Cherokee, salah satu suku Indian, tahun 1787. Di sana akan ditemukan tanda tangan Kepala Suku Cherokee saat itu, bernama AbdeKhak dan Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah."


kelihatannya anda tidak menyimak postingan saya yang ini :

paidjoh wrote:@muslim_netral

mengapa search mbah google dengan kata kunci :"abdel khak cherokee"
cuma menampilkan web2 indonesia dengan isi yang mirip punya anda itu ?
dan tidak ada satupun yang berbahasa asing ?

kira-kira kenapa ya ?
bisa anda jelaskan ?


anda punya gak sumber yang kredibel tentang abdel khak ini ?

muslim_netral wrote:cek bener apa kagak info itu, saya percaya saja, kecuali anda kasih tiket untuk saya terbang ke sana, hehe...


jadi kasarnya anda yang (maaf) ngibul, lalu saya yang harus membiayai anda untuk membuktikannya ?
alih2 seharusnya anda membawa bukti yang mendukung klaim anda bukan ?
pernah dengar : KLAIM TANPA BUKTI = HOAX !!??

paidjoh wrote:
@muslim_netral

menurut anda, apakah menarik kesimpulan (yang anda sangat yakini kebenarannya) dari suatu kontroversi (seperti contoh diatas) adalah suatu TINDAKAN YANG CERDAS ??


gak heran kualitas muslim2 dan muslimah yang doyan sumber2 yang gak jelas juntrungannya :green:
atau saya salah menganggap anda seorang muslimah yang CERDAS ??
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby kucinggarong » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:08 pm

muslim_netral wrote:cek bener apa kagak info itu, saya percaya saja, kecuali anda kasih tiket untuk saya terbang ke sana, hehe...


Saya percaya kok.

Beneerrr,.... lha wong di bulan aja Neil Armstrong bisa denger suara azan kan ?....sehingga Neil Armstrong udah jadi muslim kaffah saat ini.

eh, omongan gw nggak nyambung ya ? :rolling:
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby muslim_netral » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:26 pm

paidjoh wrote:
anda punya gak sumber yang kredibel tentang abdel khak ini ?

jadi kasarnya anda yang (maaf) ngibul, lalu saya yang harus membiayai anda untuk membuktikannya ?
alih2 seharusnya anda membawa bukti yang mendukung klaim anda bukan ?
pernah dengar : KLAIM TANPA BUKTI = HOAX !!??



Ini buktinya : http://books.google.co.id/books?id=xM3t ... edir_esc=y

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Bisa diterima? Pasti kurang... beli gih bukunya...
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Re: Ternyata Suku indian Pake Bahasa Arab

Postby paidjoh » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:55 pm

muslim_netral wrote:
Ini buktinya : http://books.google.co.id/books?id=xM3t ... edir_esc=y

abdel-khak.png


Bisa diterima? Pasti kurang... beli gih bukunya...


waduh ..sorry ya tampaknya anda benar dan saya mengaku salah ...... !!! =D> =D> =D>

>>>>>>wah ternyata anda seorang muslimah yang CERDAS !!! salut buat anda <<<<<<
























tapi heyyyy........... ada sedikit hal yang mengganjel di google book anda itu, ini saya tulis ulang ya

Further, we learn from .....
that "in 1787 on the Delaware River, a Treaty of Peace and Friendship
was signed between the United States and Morocco bearing the signature
of Abdel-Khak, Muhammad Ibn Abdullah.....


bisa anda jelaskan dimana Morocco(Maroko ind red.) itu ?
dan sejak kapan indian cherokee hidup di Morocco ?? :green:

2 pertanyaan ini tolong anda jawab dulu ya.
dan maaf kalau anda tidak mampu menjawabnya, terpaksa saya harus menarik kembali pernyataan saya dibawa ini :
>>>>>>wah ternyata anda seorang muslimah yang CERDAS !!! salut buat anda <<<<<<
maaf belum pantas untuk anda .....:green:
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