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Persamaan muhammad dgn montir kepala: Sama-sama TUKANG TIPU!

Postby Rebecca » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:00 pm

1. Muhammad si tukang tipu: Baca, MENIPU adalah KEBIASAAN nabi setan muhamMAD!



MUSLIM, Book 032, Number 6303:
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).




Terjemahan Bebas:

Ibn Shihab mengatakan bahwa dia tidak mendengarkan PENGECUALIAN untuk BERBOHONG kecuali untuk tiga kasus berikut ini: dalam perang, untuk membawa rekonsiliasi dan dalam pembicaraan / perbincangan / penjelasan suami kepada istri, dalam pembicaraan / perbincangan / penjelasan istri kepada suami (dalam bentuk yang dipelintir/diputar-balik untuk membawa rekonsiliasi diantara mereka).


DAN inilah BUAH AJARAN MENIPU itu:
Suatu waktu si nabi penipu memiliki MUSUH namanya Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf. Karena si nabi palsu itu memang chicken coward alias bloody chicken, dia lalu menyuruh pengikutnya Muhammad bin Maslama untuk membunuh Ka'b. Bagaimana cara membunuhnya? Yah GAMPANG!....dengan caran MENIPU!...rasul allah penipu itupun mengijinkan pengikutnya membunuh dengan CARA MENIPU!....

Akhir cerita Maslama emang berhasi membunuh musuh si nabi cabul, Ka'b. Namun caranya adalah dengan PURA-PURA baik dan mencium wewangian yang ada di kepala Ka'b. Setelah Ka'b lengah, Maslama pun mencekiknya sampai MATI!...



BUKHARI, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."







2. Montir kepala si tukang tipu

KASUS 1. http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... 7&start=80



MONTIR KEPALA wrote:obrolan sesama orang LUGU begini nih jadinya ...ha ha ha
baca dulu ini yah adik-adik

ARAH REVOLUSI MATAHARI PD ORBIT GALAXY
Milky Way, the galaxy of which the sun and solar system are a part, seen as a broad band of light arching across the night sky from horizon to horizon; if not blocked by the horizon, it would be seen as a circle around the entire sky. Although its motion is not readily apparent, the entire galaxy is rotating about the Milky Way's center. Relative to the universe, the galaxy is moving at a speed of c.370 mi per sec (c.590 km per sec) in the same direction that the constellation Leo lies relative to the earth; it is also moving at c.60 mi per sec (c.100 km per sec) relative to the center of mass of the Local Group of galaxies. The sun, traveling at a speed of c.150 mi per sec (c.240 km per sec) in a nearly circular orbit, takes 200–230 million years to complete one revolution.
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kl si montir emang jago dalam berbohong dan menghubung-hubungkan apa saja yang mungkin, agar muhammad kelihatan benar!...konteks YA-SEEN 38 ini tak ada hubungannya sama sekali dgn GALAXY....muhammad saat menelurkan ayat ini bahkan TAK PERNAH TAHU ada atau tidaknya galaxy! :lol: :lol: perhatikan ayat tsb di bawah ini:


036.038
YUSUFALI: And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.



Dan inilah konteks ayat itu waktu diturunkan:


BUKHARI, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38 )



BUKHARI, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 326:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
Once I was with the Prophet in the mosque at the time of sunset. The Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where the sun sets?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "It goes and prostrates underneath (Allah's) Throne; and that is Allah's Statement:--
'And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (decreed). And that is the decree of All-Mighty, the All-Knowing....' (36.38 )




lihatlah bagaimana cara muhammad menelurkan 36:38!...muhammad berpikir dan melihat dgn matanya lalu mereka-reka kemana arah matahari terbenam!...Pertanyaan yang diajukan kepada muhammad jelas sangat berhubungan dengan SIANG dan MALAM!...pertanyaan yang diajukan kepada muhammad pun adalah 'KEMANA kah matahari ketika terbenam'? ayat ini sama sekali tak ada hubungannya dgn galaxy atau peredaran bumi thd pusat inti galaxy!...konteks ayat ini cuma pertanyaan sepele ttg matahari terbit dan terbenam! Hi...hi..hi...muhammad berpikir, mataharilah yang mengedari bumi.



jawaban lugu dan super konyol muhammad adalah: matahari terbenam dan minta ijin ke awloh agar esoknya terbit lagi! Ha...ha...ha...udah gitu awlohnya pun sama jongkoknya mewahyukan ayat sampah tsb! :lol: :D awloh berprasangka bahwa matahari mengedari bumi, trus minta ijin esoknya untuk terbit dan mengedari bumi lagi!... :lol: :D ...kenyataan pahit yang harus ditelan muslims atas kebodohan muhammad yang telak!...sama seperti kekonyolannya dalam hitungan matematika warisan!





KASUS 2.
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MONTIR KEPALA wrote:saya bilang ada jedda ... berarti ucapan itu tak bermakna KAKU SEMUA HARINYA.

tapi bicara untuk sehari itu saja ... soalnya ada riwayat2 sahih lainnya di masa di antara pemberian jatah itu Nabi masih bersama Bunda Sauda .... bahkan di saat wafat Nabi sewaktu Haji Wada.

bahkan ketika istri2 Nabi sudah bertambah Nabi masih mengunjungi Sauda.


woy, bangun mon! elo kl udah salah dan kepojok pasti ngembik dan idiot begini!...sekarang gue tanya, apakah maksud hadist ini, sauda menyerahkan jatahnya UNTUK SATU HARI SAJA?

BUKHARI, Volume 3, Book 47, Number 766:
Narrated Aisha:
Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to go on a journey, he would draw lots as to which of his wives would accompany him. He would take her whose name came out. He used to fix for each of them a day and a night. But Sauda bint Zam'a gave up her (turn) day and night to 'Aisha, the wife of the Prophet in order to seek the pleasure of Allah's Apostle (by that action).



Gue mau nuntut tanggung jawabmu yang mengatakan sauda cuma menyerahkan jatahnya cuma satu hari saja!kau harus clearkan bualanmu di awah ini dulu tong!...elo secara idiot mengatakan jatah sauda yang diserahkan kpd aisya cuma SATU HARI SAJA!

MONTIR KEPALA wrote:kesalahan ke dua :
menganggap seluruh jatah saudah diberikan pada Aisya ...padahal mah cuma jatah satu hari.



woy, MON jawab! BERAPA lamakah JATAH sauda yang diberikan kepada aisya?

A. SATU HARI

B. LEBIH DARI SATU HARI





Si montir setelah menipu, selalu ngacirrrr dan lari tak berbekas. Jadi inilah buah-buah ajaran tipu-menipu muhammad. Nabi dan pengikutnya sama-sama penipu!...Hmmmm :D
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Postby Rebecca » Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:42 am

Waduh...jika benar montir itu feodhor...maka sudah berkali-kali dia menipu: MENGUNGKAP KEBOHONGAN F4...ya ampun mon, bertobatlah kau, apa tenang kau hidup penuh dengan tipuan? :D inikah yang diajarkan allahmu, menipu demi islam agar kelihatan cantik dan peace?
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Re: Persamaan muhammad dgn montir kepala: Sama-sama TUKANG T

Postby Athan » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:18 am

Rebeca wrote:Si montir setelah menipu, selalu ngacirrrr dan lari tak berbekas. Jadi inilah buah-buah ajaran tipu-menipu muhammad. Nabi dan pengikutnya sama-sama penipu!...Hmmmm :D


Menipu menjadi diperbolehkan dalam islam karena memang secara konsep mendasar dari segi Teologis sendiri islam mengamini bahwa allah islam boleh melakukan tindakan penipuan. Dari segi Teologis yang diturunkan dalam sisi ajaran, maka akan menjadi tidak aneh jika memang Islam melegalkan suatu Dosa untuk bisa dilakukan untuk mencapai suatu tujuan, padahal ini jelas sangat salah!

St. Thomas Aquinas menuliskan sebagai berikut mengenai Tipu dan Kebohongan:

The chief argument from reason which St. Thomas and other theologians have used to prove their doctrine is drawn from the nature of truth

Lying is opposed to the virtue of truth or veracity. Truth consists in a correspondence between the thing signified and the signification of it.

Man has the power as a reasonable and social being of manifesting his thoughts to his fellow-men. Right order demands that in doing this he should be truthful. If the external manifestation is at variance with the inward thought, the result is a want of right order, a monstrosity in nature, a machine which is out of gear, whose parts do not work together harmoniously.


As we are dealing with something which belongs to the moral order and with virtue, the want of right order, which is of the essence of a lie, has a special moral turpitude of its own.

There is precisely the same malice in hypocrisy, and in this vice we see the moral turpitude more clearly. A hypocrite pretends to have a good quality which he knows that he does not possess. There is the same want of correspondence between the mind and the external expression of it that constitutes the essence of a lie. The turpitude and malice of hypocrisy are obvious to everybody.


.......As the hypocrite is justly detested and despised, so should the liar be.

Ibn Shihab mengatakan bahwa dia tidak mendengarkan PENGECUALIAN untuk BERBOHONG kecuali untuk tiga kasus berikut ini: dalam perang, untuk membawa rekonsiliasi dan dalam pembicaraan / perbincangan / penjelasan suami kepada istri, dalam pembicaraan / perbincangan / penjelasan istri kepada suami (dalam bentuk yang dipelintir/diputar-balik untuk membawa rekonsiliasi diantara mereka).


:) Kebohongan sudah mendarah daging, ada pengecualian akan dosa membuat Allah mejadi tidak Absolute. Untuk masalah inipun dosa dan kesalahan sudah tercipta, karena St. Thomas Aquinas juga menuliskan sebagai berikut:

I answer that, The object of laying is in order to deceive the enemy. Now a man may be deceived by another's word or deed in two ways. First, through being told something false, or through the breaking of a promise, and this is always unlawful. No one ought to deceive the enemy in this way, for there are certain "rights of war and covenants, which ought to be observed even among enemies," as Ambrose states (De Officiis i).

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Re: Persamaan muhammad dgn montir kepala: Sama-sama TUKANG T

Postby Athan » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:20 am

Rebeca wrote:Si montir setelah menipu, selalu ngacirrrr dan lari tak berbekas. Jadi inilah buah-buah ajaran tipu-menipu muhammad. Nabi dan pengikutnya sama-sama penipu!...Hmmmm :D


Menipu menjadi diperbolehkan dalam islam karena memang secara konsep mendasar dari segi Teologis sendiri islam mengamini bahwa allah islam boleh melakukan tindakan penipuan. Dari segi Teologis yang diturunkan dalam sisi ajaran, maka akan menjadi tidak aneh jika memang Islam melegalkan suatu Dosa untuk bisa dilakukan untuk mencapai suatu tujuan, padahal ini jelas sangat salah!

St. Thomas Aquinas menuliskan sebagai berikut mengenai Tipu dan Kebohongan:

The chief argument from reason which St. Thomas and other theologians have used to prove their doctrine is drawn from the nature of truth

Lying is opposed to the virtue of truth or veracity. Truth consists in a correspondence between the thing signified and the signification of it.

Man has the power as a reasonable and social being of manifesting his thoughts to his fellow-men. Right order demands that in doing this he should be truthful. If the external manifestation is at variance with the inward thought, the result is a want of right order, a monstrosity in nature, a machine which is out of gear, whose parts do not work together harmoniously.


As we are dealing with something which belongs to the moral order and with virtue, the want of right order, which is of the essence of a lie, has a special moral turpitude of its own.

There is precisely the same malice in hypocrisy, and in this vice we see the moral turpitude more clearly. A hypocrite pretends to have a good quality which he knows that he does not possess. There is the same want of correspondence between the mind and the external expression of it that constitutes the essence of a lie. The turpitude and malice of hypocrisy are obvious to everybody.


.......As the hypocrite is justly detested and despised, so should the liar be.

Ibn Shihab mengatakan bahwa dia tidak mendengarkan PENGECUALIAN untuk BERBOHONG kecuali untuk tiga kasus berikut ini: dalam perang, untuk membawa rekonsiliasi dan dalam pembicaraan / perbincangan / penjelasan suami kepada istri, dalam pembicaraan / perbincangan / penjelasan istri kepada suami (dalam bentuk yang dipelintir/diputar-balik untuk membawa rekonsiliasi diantara mereka).


:) Kebohongan sudah mendarah daging, ada pengecualian akan dosa membuat Allah mejadi tidak Absolute. Untuk masalah inipun dosa dan kesalahan sudah tercipta, karena St. Thomas Aquinas juga menuliskan sebagai berikut:

I answer that, The object of laying is in order to deceive the enemy. Now a man may be deceived by another's word or deed in two ways. First, through being told something false, or through the breaking of a promise, and this is always unlawful. No one ought to deceive the enemy in this way, for there are certain "rights of war and covenants, which ought to be observed even among enemies," as Ambrose states (De Officiis i).

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Re: Persamaan muhammad dgn montir kepala: Sama-sama TUKANG T

Postby Rebecca » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:00 am

Athan wrote:.......As the hypocrite is justly detested and despised, so should the liar be.


Biasanya hypocrite sejalan dgn liar (tukang kibul), sycophant (penjilat pantat), monomaniac (pemikir sempit), dan lecher (penjahat kelamin) :D :lol:
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Postby MONTIR KEPALA » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:16 am

alhamdulillah sudah masuk ad hominem ... kualitas rendah ... ehem ...

lanjut ..!!!!
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Postby Rebecca » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:45 am

mon, ad hominem atau red hammer? :D :lol: ...penipu selalu saja menemukan alasan pembenaran tindakan penipuannya!...mon, bertobatlah!
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Postby Rebecca » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:00 am

mon, belom mau minta maaf atas pekerjaan tipu-menipumu mon? belom mau bertobat atas kebiasaan burukmu menipu mon? :D
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Postby Rebecca » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:14 am

MONTIR sekali lagi kedapetan NIPU mengikuti kebiasaan nabi bejatnya! :D ...Harap kafirs hati-hati atas sepak terjang tipuan MONTIR yang sangat lihai dan ulung dalam MENIPU! :lol:


MONTIR KEPALA wrote:jadi dia ngetest Nabi Muhammad dgn jalan meracunnya ... ternyata tdk mati krnnya.

perempuan yg meracun itu dimaafkan dan dibiarkan



Akh, kau mon ditinggal seminggu, kebiasaan kotormu dalam berbohong kambuh lagi! :D ...dalam kamus hidup muhammad, tak ada kata mengampuni kafir apalagi yahudi!...Ini buktinya si nabi bejat tersebut memerintahkan untuk membunuh wanita yahudi tsb! :D


From Ibn Sa'd page 249:
The apostle of Allah and his companions ate from it. It (goat) said: "I am poisoned." He [Muhammad] said to his Companions, "Hold you hands! because it has informed me that it is poisoned!" They withdrew their hands, but Bishr Ibn al-Bara expired. The apostle of Allah sent for her (Jewess) and asked her, "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "I wanted to know if you are a prophet, in that case it will not harm you and if you are a king, I shall relieve the people of you. He gave orders and she was put to death.




muhammad itu manusia berjiwa kerdil, yang bahkan sebelum matinyapun dia tak sanggup memaafkan dan mengampuni! :D



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Postby M-SAW » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:21 am

ck ck ck ck
makin gila aja kelkuan si montir
ini sih bukan membela islam lagi
tapi dah MEMBOHONGI umat nih :P
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Postby MONTIR KEPALA » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:34 am

Rebeca wrote:MONTIR sekali lagi kedapetan NIPU mengikuti kebiasaan nabi bejatnya! :D ...Harap kafirs hati-hati atas sepak terjang tipuan MONTIR yang sangat lihai dan ulung dalam MENIPU! :lol:


MONTIR KEPALA wrote:jadi dia ngetest Nabi Muhammad dgn jalan meracunnya ... ternyata tdk mati krnnya.

perempuan yg meracun itu dimaafkan dan dibiarkan



Akh, kau mon ditinggal seminggu, kebiasaan kotormu dalam berbohong kambuh lagi! :D ...dalam kamus hidup muhammad, tak ada kata mengampuni kafir apalagi yahudi!...Ini buktinya si nabi bejat tersebut memerintahkan untuk membunuh wanita yahudi tsb! :D


From Ibn Sa'd page 249:
The apostle of Allah and his companions ate from it. It (goat) said: "I am poisoned." He [Muhammad] said to his Companions, "Hold you hands! because it has informed me that it is poisoned!" They withdrew their hands, but Bishr Ibn al-Bara expired. The apostle of Allah sent for her (Jewess) and asked her, "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "I wanted to know if you are a prophet, in that case it will not harm you and if you are a king, I shall relieve the people of you. He gave orders and she was put to death.




muhammad itu manusia berjiwa kerdil, yang bahkan sebelum matinyapun dia tak sanggup memaafkan dan mengampuni! :D



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    Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5430:
    Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the uvula of Aitah's Messenger.
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Postby MONTIR KEPALA » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:02 pm

tante rebek mana yaj ?
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Postby yusuf_bin_sanusi » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:34 pm

Woi montir tukang kibul !!! ngga heran ente nyeleseen satu thesis sampe 10 taon dasar blegug..pahamkah kau maksud kalimat itu ??? baca lagi pela-pelan blegug!!
...He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No.
Si nabi TIDAK SETUJU dan MENOLAK kemauan geng-nya yang ingin melepaskan/tidak perlu membunuh si peracun..
Kecuali pertanyaan dari gengnya begini : SHOULD WE KILL HER??
Dan si nabi pedo menjawab : NO !!
Baru artinya si nabi pedo TIDAK MAU MEMBUNUH SI CEWEK..
PAHAM ???

heran..biasanya penipu pintar..kok penipu yang satu ini blegug ya??
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Postby MONTIR KEPALA » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:41 pm

itu bahasa Indonesianya " APA TIDAK KITA BUNUH SAJA ??"

dlm bahasa ARABnya "A LAA (tidakkah) NAQTULUHA (kita bunuh dia)"
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Postby MONTIR KEPALA » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:42 pm

yusuf_bin_sanusi wrote:Woi montir tukang kibul !!! ngga heran ente nyeleseen satu thesis sampe 10 taon dasar blegug..pahamkah kau maksud kalimat itu ??? baca lagi pela-pelan blegug!!
...He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No.
Si nabi TIDAK SETUJU dan MENOLAK kemauan geng-nya yang ingin melepaskan/tidak perlu membunuh si peracun..
Kecuali pertanyaan dari gengnya begini : SHOULD WE KILL HER??
Dan si nabi pedo menjawab : NO !!
Baru artinya si nabi pedo TIDAK MAU MEMBUNUH SI CEWEK..
PAHAM ???

heran..biasanya penipu pintar..kok penipu yang satu ini blegug ya??


itu bahasa Indonesianya " APA TIDAK KAMI BUNUH SAJA ??"

dlm bahasa ARABnya "A LAA (tidakkah) NAQTULUHA (kami bunuh dia)"

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Postby coup_d_etat » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:03 pm

Kalo uda salah ngertiin bahasa Inggrisnya.... jangan sok2 ke bahasa Indonesia deh....emank Inggris loe uda error kok........ gimana seh??
Mon, kenapa sifat lamamu ga berubah juga? Selalu berkelit?

Jangan kan bahasa Inggris, nerjemahin ke bahasa Indonesia aja kamu ga tamat.....gimana seh????

MONTIR KEPALA wrote:itu bahasa Indonesianya " APA TIDAK KAMI BUNUH SAJA ??"


Ini tuh harusnya bahasa Inggrisnya tuh.. Shouldn't we just kill her?

kalo Should we not kill her?

diterjemahkan Apa Kami tidak bunuh dia saja?
Berarti .... kita uraikan pelan - pelan...
Apa ---> Kata tanya menunjukkan option yang akan dieksekusi
Kami tidak bunuh dia saja?---->option yang dieksekusi

Kami tidak bunuh dia saja?---->Baca ini sebagai satu kesatuan----> dengan kata lain, Mereka tuh lagi bilang----> APA KAMI BATAL BUNUH DIA AJA?

Kalo kamu protes bahasa Inggrisnya, berarti kamu uda merasa diri lebih jago dari yang nerjemahin tuh hadis


Kalaupun bahasa Inggrisku salah, seharusnya kamu bertanya2, bukti yang dikasih Rebecca tuh gimana? Kok kontroversial? Ayolah mon.....kamu bisa lebih baik dari ini, jangan kerjaannya ngelit sana ngelit sini doank dunks!
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Re: Persamaan muhammad dgn montir kepala: Sama-sama TUKANG T

Postby ceceps01 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:21 pm

Rebeca wrote:
2. Montir kepala si tukang tipu

KASUS 1. http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... 7&start=80



MONTIR KEPALA wrote:obrolan sesama orang LUGU begini nih jadinya ...ha ha ha
baca dulu ini yah adik-adik

ARAH REVOLUSI MATAHARI PD ORBIT GALAXY
Milky Way, the galaxy of which the sun and solar system are a part, seen as a broad band of light arching across the night sky from horizon to horizon; if not blocked by the horizon, it would be seen as a circle around the entire sky. Although its motion is not readily apparent, the entire galaxy is rotating about the Milky Way's center. Relative to the universe, the galaxy is moving at a speed of c.370 mi per sec (c.590 km per sec) in the same direction that the constellation Leo lies relative to the earth; it is also moving at c.60 mi per sec (c.100 km per sec) relative to the center of mass of the Local Group of galaxies. The sun, traveling at a speed of c.150 mi per sec (c.240 km per sec) in a nearly circular orbit, takes 200–230 million years to complete one revolution.
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kl si montir emang jago dalam berbohong dan menghubung-hubungkan apa saja yang mungkin, agar muhammad kelihatan benar!...konteks YA-SEEN 38 ini tak ada hubungannya sama sekali dgn GALAXY....muhammad saat menelurkan ayat ini bahkan TAK PERNAH TAHU ada atau tidaknya galaxy! :lol: :lol: perhatikan ayat tsb di bawah ini:


036.038
YUSUFALI: And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.



Dan inilah konteks ayat itu waktu diturunkan:


BUKHARI, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38 )



BUKHARI, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 326:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
Once I was with the Prophet in the mosque at the time of sunset. The Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where the sun sets?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "It goes and prostrates underneath (Allah's) Throne; and that is Allah's Statement:--
'And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (decreed). And that is the decree of All-Mighty, the All-Knowing....' (36.38 )




lihatlah bagaimana cara muhammad menelurkan 36:38!...muhammad berpikir dan melihat dgn matanya lalu mereka-reka kemana arah matahari terbenam!...Pertanyaan yang diajukan kepada muhammad jelas sangat berhubungan dengan SIANG dan MALAM!...pertanyaan yang diajukan kepada muhammad pun adalah 'KEMANA kah matahari ketika terbenam'? ayat ini sama sekali tak ada hubungannya dgn galaxy atau peredaran bumi thd pusat inti galaxy!...konteks ayat ini cuma pertanyaan sepele ttg matahari terbit dan terbenam! Hi...hi..hi...muhammad berpikir, mataharilah yang mengedari bumi.



jawaban lugu dan super konyol muhammad adalah: matahari terbenam dan minta ijin ke awloh agar esoknya terbit lagi! Ha...ha...ha...udah gitu awlohnya pun sama jongkoknya mewahyukan ayat sampah tsb! :lol: :D awloh berprasangka bahwa matahari mengedari bumi, trus minta ijin esoknya untuk terbit dan mengedari bumi lagi!... :lol: :D ...kenyataan pahit yang harus ditelan muslims atas kebodohan muhammad yang telak!...sama seperti kekonyolannya dalam hitungan matematika warisan!



:lol: :lol:
Sampe sekarang MOntir ga jawab pertanyaan ane tuh :lol: :lol:
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Postby Duladi » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:24 pm

Should we not kill her? (model kalimat tanya seperti ini kayaknya tidak lazim dipakai)

Apakah pantas bila kita tidak membunuhnya?

Jawaban Momed: No (Tidak Pantas).

Dalam arti kata:
Muhammad setuju dan menganggap sudah sepantasnya bila membunuh dia. (We should kill her)



Koreksi buat terjemahan Dik Montir:

Montir wrote:itu bahasa Indonesianya " APA TIDAK KAMI BUNUH SAJA ??"


Kalau itu terjemahanmu, mestinya kalimat Inggrisnya seperti ini:

Must we kill her?

Kemudian dijawab oleh Momed: No (jangan).

Tapi dilihat dari konteks kalimatnya, tidak seperti itu khan?
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Postby MONTIR KEPALA » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:42 am

coup_d_etat wrote:Kalo uda salah ngertiin bahasa Inggrisnya.... jangan sok2 ke bahasa Indonesia deh....emank Inggris loe uda error kok........ gimana seh??
Mon, kenapa sifat lamamu ga berubah juga? Selalu berkelit?

Jangan kan bahasa Inggris, nerjemahin ke bahasa Indonesia aja kamu ga tamat.....gimana seh????

MONTIR KEPALA wrote:itu bahasa Indonesianya " APA TIDAK KAMI BUNUH SAJA ??"


Ini tuh harusnya bahasa Inggrisnya tuh.. Shouldn't we just kill her?

kalo Should we not kill her?

diterjemahkan Apa Kami tidak bunuh dia saja?
Berarti .... kita uraikan pelan - pelan...
Apa ---> Kata tanya menunjukkan option yang akan dieksekusi
Kami tidak bunuh dia saja?---->option yang dieksekusi

Kami tidak bunuh dia saja?---->Baca ini sebagai satu kesatuan----> dengan kata lain, Mereka tuh lagi bilang----> APA KAMI BATAL BUNUH DIA AJA?

Kalo kamu protes bahasa Inggrisnya, berarti kamu uda merasa diri lebih jago dari yang nerjemahin tuh hadis


Kalaupun bahasa Inggrisku salah, seharusnya kamu bertanya2, bukti yang dikasih Rebecca tuh gimana? Kok kontroversial? Ayolah mon.....kamu bisa lebih baik dari ini, jangan kerjaannya ngelit sana ngelit sini doank dunks!

baca juga di sini :
    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibnu Ishaq book 20 Khyabar
    After the apostle of Allah had rested, the captive woman Zaynab brought him a roasted sheep. She had asked what portion of the sheep the apostle of Allah most enjoyed and, having been told that it was the leg, she put much poison into it, although she also poisoned the whole sheep. When she placed it before the apostle he took a bite, but did not swallow; Bishr likewise took a piece, but he did swallow. Then the apostle of Allah spat his out, saying, 'This bone informs me that it is poisoned.' He summoned the woman, who confessed what she had done, and asked, 'What made thee do this?' She replied, 'It is no secret to thee, what my people feel towards thee. I said to myself, "If he be only a king, we shall be delivered of him; but if he be a prophet, he will know of the poison and guard himself."' The apostle released her, but Bishr died of the piece he had eaten.
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