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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:45 pm

Head Fixer wrote:udeh baca yg ini belon pir ?

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html:
The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. :

There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.” “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah

HOAX

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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:50 pm

gonjesngepot wrote:kl percaya tuhan bisa mati, seharusnya kapir lebih gampang lagi percaya bulan bisa dibelah!

karena kapir gak percaya Tuhan bisa mati makanya gak percaya ada nabi bisa ngesex dgn bocah ingusan dan bulan pernah terbelah.

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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:03 pm

gonjesngepot wrote:munfik luh!

yeee...ngambek. emang seperti muhamad yang mati dan gak bisa ngapa-ngapain dan seperti batu hitam allah swt yang gak berkuasa itu? masih mending kapir yang punya Tuhan yang hidup dan berkuasa.

kenapa elo sendiri kagak curiga sama muhamad ? kenapa gak curiga sama allah swt? kok mau aja dikadalin ??
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby Head Fixer » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:20 pm

Head Fixer wrote:udeh baca yg ini belon pir ?

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html:
The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. :

There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.” “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah

HOAX

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lemot banget tuh link nya ...coba luh co-pas tong
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:32 pm

Head Fixer wrote:lemot banget tuh link nya ...coba luh co-pas tong

coba gue copas sebagian dulu ya. kalau bisa buka linknya akan lebih baik bacanya. beguna juga buat kamu yang sudah terlanjur menelan dusta islam. selamat menikmati kebenaran :.......

wrote by Levicantu from england:

When did the Historical Cheraman Perumal live?

The established historical sources from Kerala suggest that Cheraman Perumal lived in the ninth century. http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index20.htm

“His successor, Rajasekhara Varman (820-844), was a Saivite saint who introduced the Malayalam Era known as Kollam Era in 825 A.D. Sthanu Ravi Varman is sometimes identified with Rajasekhara Varman who in turn is identified with Cheraman Perumal Nayanar. According to Keralolpathi, Cheraman Perumal was the last emperor; he divided the kingdom among his suzerains, embraced Islam, left Kerala for Mecca, married a Muslim princess, and finally died on the Arabian Coast.”

Also see http://www.hindubooks.org/temples/keral ... /page9.htm – “Cheraman Perumal Nayanar, one of the two Nayanars from Kerala, as stated above, has been identified with Rajasekhara Varman (820-844 A.D.), the second of the kings who ruled over the Kulasekhara empire.”

So it would appear that the historical facts do not support Cheraman Perumal ever having witnessed the ‘moon splitting’ incident.

Let us finally look at an account of a Muslim historian, Zayn-us-Din, a historian of the sixteenth century. “The tradition account of the introduction of Islam to the Malabar coast is recorded by Zayn-us-Din, an historian of the sixteenth century. He states that the conversion of Cheruman Perumal occurred during the lifetime of the Prophet. A company of pilgrims from Arabia were making a journey to visit Adam’s footprint in Ceylon. On their arrival at Cranganore they paid a visit to the raja, and told him of the miracle of Muhammad’s having split the moon. Perumal was captivated by this report of the exhibition of such supernatural power. He was converted; and when the pilgrims returned from their journey he secretly joined them, and went with them to Arabia to visit the Prophet, who had not yet fled to Medina." (Titus, 1936, pp. 32-33).”

This fits with the time frame of the historical facts of Cheraman Perumal’s lifetime and the discrepancy between the arrival of Muslim missionaries in Malabar and the putative date of the ‘moon splitting’ incident.

CONCLUSION

Religious sources seem contradictory with respect to when Cheraman Perumal lived and whether he did witness the ‘moon splitting’ incident. It must be noted that Cheraman Perumal was a legendary king of Kerala and it is unsurprising that various religions, Hinduism, Christianity and Islam, try to associate themselves with his renown, regardless of historical facts.

It is apparent that the historical facts do not support the Islamist legend that Chakrawati Farmas (aka Cheraman Perumal aka Rajasekhara Varman) personally witnessed the ludicrous ‘moon splitting’ incident as he is thought to have lived about two centuries after the death of the Prophet, Muhammad.

In other words, this story of this King that you keep talking about is utterly wrong. Totally, completely wrong. Your library manuscript is just telling the legend the way some Muslims saw it hundreds of years later, and it is not based on fact. Do you have any other evidence? And no, saying that a British person on the BBC was convinced by this story isn’t evidence, although, if you have access to his reasoning, and it is any different than what you already posted, I’d be happy to read it.

As a final note, I am very disappointed that you are taking my questions as an attack on Islam, and as an example of some hatred or envy for Islam that I supposedly have. Is that really all you can say to contradict my arguments, that I am anti-Muslim? What about the Muslim imams and mullahs and scholars, like Hasan Al-Basri, that do not believe this literally happened? What about the point that Javamanju brought up, that many Muslims believe that “Muhammad insisted that even though other prophets had miracles, his only miracle is the Quran. So when Muslims claim that Muhammad performed miracles, they are going against the Quran itself.” Do you not see how someone could look at this story and not believe it?

To me, Religion is important. This is God we are talking about… Something infinite, greater than all of us… why shouldn’t my standards be high? Why shouldn’t I ask questions? Why shouldn’t I demand truth? There are too many liars, too many false prophets, too many thieves for me to just believe stories of miracles whenever someone tells them. If you want to convince me, then be prepared to provide real evidence. Why haven’t the people of England and the world converted to Islam? Because they have not seen enough evidence that Islam is the True Faith. This is the modern age, and just in my opinion, if you rely on false stories like the splitting of the moon to prove Islam, then you will not see much success.
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:42 pm

To : Head Fixer
gue copas lagi bantahan hoax elo :

ANALYSIS

Is Cheraman Perumal the same person as Chakrawati Farmas?

The evidence that they are the same people comes from the fact that the story you told relates to both Chakrawati Farmas and Cheraman Perumal. Also, the account of Cheraman Perumal is identical or very similar to that of Chakrawati Farmas, particularly with respect to the Hajj:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/151/ - “King Chakrawati Farmas of Malabar was a Chera king, Cheraman perumal of Kodungallure.” (I notice they make the same “There were no astronomers back then” argument you do. Anyway, I thought you’d trust a Muslim website, so I did my best to find them for this.)

Cheraman Perumal is also thought to be Rajasekhara Varman (820-844). http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index20.htm

What do the Religious Legends say about when Cheraman Perumal lived?

According to the Muslims, Cheraman Perumal lived during Muhammad’s lifetime as they claim he witnessed the ‘splitting of the moon’ incident.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/quotat ... _india.htm – “There was a Muslim community in Malabar, southwest India as early as 618 C.E. as a result of King Chakrawati Farmas accepting Islam at the hands of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).”
http://www.indiatraveltimes.com/travelogue/mosque.html – “The Cheraman Juma Masjid was built by Malik bin Dinar, one of the 13 followers of Prophet Mohammad who reached the ancient port of Musuris on the spice route in Malabar in 629 AD. Legend has it that Cheraman Perumal, a Hindu ruler of Musuris (modern Kodungallur), embraced Islam at the behest of Dinar, abdicated his throne and left for Mecca to meet the prophet. Perumal is reported to have died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the "Indian king" was a major attraction to Muslim pilgrims for many centuries.”

A new discovery suggests Cheraman Perumal left for Mecca sometime around 642-643 AD. According to Dr. G.S. Khwaja of the Archeological Survey of India, some missionaries led by Maalik Bin Dinaar, a Sufi saint from Basra and a contemporary of the prophet came to Kerala in the seventh Century.

They presented themselves in the court of Cheraman Perumal, a Zamorian dynasty king, in 642-43 AD or Hijia 22 (22 years after the prophet's migration from Mecca to Madina).

An epigraph about the Islamic mission, written in difficult-to-read, ancient version of Arabic language, was founded executed on a wooden Lintel of the Jami mosque at Kasargod in Kerala…

…The Kasargod mosque lintel inscription bears out the earliest reference to Islam in Kerala in an ancient Arabic book, "Tohafatul Mujahideen" written by Zainuddin Malabari. It narrates the story of arrival of what could be the first Islamic mission to Kerala by sea, led by Maalik Bin Dinaar.

According to the book, a Zamorin dynasty king, Cheraman Perumal, was ruling then and the missionaries presented themselves in his court in the year 642-43 AD or Hijra 22.

The king welcomed the mission and asked about Islam. So impressed was he with Malik's interpretation of the religion that he embraced Islam, the book says. Cherman Perumal became Abdullah Sameri and undertook Haj pilgrimage to meet prophet Mohammed at Mecca. On his way back, Sameri died at Zulfar, a coastal town in Yemen, where records show that a grave with the name of Sameri engraved on it still exists.

Alas, this Muslim discovery proves the Muslim legend in error as The Prophet Mohammed died in 632 AD, thus making it truly miraculous that Cheraman Perumal could have personally witnessed the ‘moon splitting’ incident at least a decade after the Prophet’s death.

The Christians, however, believe Cheraman Perumal lived when St Thomas migrated to Malabar in the fourth century. In other words, that he would have been long dead by the time of the Prophet.

So we have conflicting religious sources as to when Cheraman Perumal lived. Nevertheless, there are conflicting Muslim accounts of when he left for Mecca, namely around 629 AD or 643 AD.

When did this ‘moon splitting’ incident supposedly occurred?

Muslims tend to agree that this incident took place at Mina in Makkah about five years before the Holy Prophet's Hijra (migration) to Madinah. As Hijra is traditionally accepted to have occurred in the year 622 AD, the ‘moon splitting’ incident must have occurred sometime around 617 AD. This means that Malik bin Dinar’s arrival in Malabar in 629 AD was about 12 years too late for Cheraman Perumal to have witnessed the ‘moon splitting’ incident. More likely Malik bin Dinar told the king this lie, rather than the king himself witness the incident. Through time, the legend changed from Cheraman Perumal being told the incident to him witnessing the incident.

So, after examining the evidence, it seems clear that even from Muslim accounts, the story cannot be true. What about historical (non-religious) accounts?
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby Head Fixer » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:48 am

wah kayaknya misunderstanding tuh mr. entu ...
raja India itu menemui nabi tidak pas kejadian moon split nya ... dia melihatnya di India, lalu dia mencari tahu ttg nabi dgn pergi ke Mekka. tdk disebutkan selang berapa tahun setelah kejadian moon split itu sang raja pergi ke Nabi. yang jelas dalam literatur Islam terekam peristiwa kedatangan sang raja India pada nabi.

1. The famous Muslim historian, Ibn Kahtir, mentions the splitting of the moon was reported in parts of India dicatat dalam kitab ‘Al-Bidaya wal-Nihaya,’ by Ibn Kathir, vol 3, p. 130

2. tercatat pula dalam hadits : Reported by Hakim in ‘Mustadrik’ vol 4, p. 150
riwayat Abu Sa’id al-Khudri, a companion of Prophet Muhammad, states:
“The Indian king gifted the Prophet with a jar of ginger. The companions ate it piece by piece. I took a bite as well.”
Hakim comments, ‘I have not memorized any other report stating the Prophet ate ginger.’

3. Nama sang raja tercantum dalam the mega-compendiums chronicling the Prophet’s companions.
‘Al-Isaba’ by Ibn Hajr, vol 3. p. 279 and ‘Lisan ul-Mizan’ by Imam al-Dhahabi, vol. 3 p. 10 under the name ‘Sarbanak,’ the name with which the Arabs knew him.
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby osho » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:27 pm

tercatat pula di...
raja cina
raja tibet
raja jawa
raja indian
raja thailand
raja jepang
raja bule
raja setan
dan semua raja-raja mencatatnya....

tapi catatannya udah hilang sewaktu perang-perangan......
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:35 pm

@atas
hahahaha......itulah lucunya muslim. mau cari catatan bulan terbelah sampai ke india segala. padahal banyak raja disekitar arab yang memiliki waktu yang sama saat bulan terbelah, tapi kok cuma raja gadungan india yang catat??
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby Head Fixer » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:14 pm

loh karena tidak semua 'NGEH atau mungkin beda waktu sehingga terhalang oleh terangnya matahari ...

Country .........Time
Mecca ...........9:00 pm (masih pada melek)
India ............11:30 pm (masih pada melek)
Perth ............2:00 am (silau)
Reykjavik .......6:00 pm (masih blonkeiatan)
Washington D.C.2:00 pm (kagak ada raja di sono)
Rio de Janeiro ..3:00 pm (udeh pules)
Tokyo .............3:00 am (silau)
Beijing ........... 2:00 am (silau)
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby osho » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:23 pm

Head Fixer wrote:....... (udeh pada bobo)


gue juga akan belah itu matahari dan bulan sekaligus.......
klo semua orang pada bobo.......
dan memisahkan bumi dengan langit..........
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hihihihhiiiiiii..........

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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:05 pm

Head Fixer wrote:loh karena tidak semua 'NGEH atau mungkin beda waktu sehingga terhalang oleh terangnya matahari ...

Country .........Time
Mecca ...........9:00 pm (masih pada melek)
India ............11:30 pm (masih pada melek)
Perth ............2:00 am (silau)
Reykjavik .......6:00 pm (masih blonkeiatan)
Washington D.C.2:00 pm (kagak ada raja di sono)
Rio de Janeiro ..3:00 pm (udeh pules)
Tokyo .............3:00 am (silau)
Beijing ........... 2:00 am (silau)

elo gak salah copas alasan bod0h dari link yang gue kasih? bukannya sudah dijelasin kalau perbandingan waktu itu memakai daerah yg jauh, bagimana dgn Mesir dan daerah sekitarnya selain mekah? daerah yang punya waktu sama seperti india juga banyak. hayoo.....
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby Head Fixer » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:08 pm

ah ya gak tau ..mungkin aja ngeliat tapi trus matanya dikucek-kucek ...trus ngedumel "ah mata gue rabun kali niih ...".
nah beda sama Raja India yg entu. dia yakin betul matanya sehat dan tdk sedang melamun. maka dia mencoba mencari tahu.

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Postby endfinal » Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:12 am

Head Fixer wrote:ah ya gak tau ..mungkin aja ngeliat tapi trus matanya dikucek-kucek ...trus ngedumel "ah mata gue rabun kali niih ...".
nah beda sama Raja India yg entu. dia yakin betul matanya sehat dan tdk sedang melamun. maka dia mencoba mencari tahu.

HALELUYA !!!!!!!!!!! :supz:

yaaa mentok....cuma segini aja argumentasi elo ??
dongeng bulan terbelah di abad ke 6 dan si raja india hidup diabad ke 8.
daerah yang dekat mekah seperti mesir dll banyak tapi cari bukti ke india.
sudah jelas hoax masih ngotot pula. sudah jelas tak terbukti bulan pernah terbelah tapi masih ngotot menjagokan muhamad. muslim...muslim.....kasihan amat sih???
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby osho » Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:19 am

endfinal wrote:dongeng bulan terbelah di abad ke 6 dan si raja india hidup diabad ke 8.
he5x.....
berarti dibelahnya pada abad ke 7.........
di bagi rata jadi adil........
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby Head Fixer » Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:35 am

cari bukti mo ke india kek ..ke mana kek... yang penting ada saksi dari belahan dunia lain ... ALLAHU AKBAR !!! :supz:
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby endfinal » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:00 pm

Head Fixer wrote:cari bukti mo ke india kek ..ke mana kek... yang penting ada saksi dari belahan dunia lain ... ALLAHU AKBAR !!! :supz:

makanya islam itu paling pinter gini : semut disebrang lautan kelihatan tapi boeing 747 di depan hidung gak terlihat. makanya nyari2 sakti mata di negeri jauh padahal negeri terdekat tak mencatat. lucunya, saksi matanya hidup 200 thn dari waktu kejadian.
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby Head Fixer » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:09 pm

ah dasar kapir FFi kagak pernah bisa pinter .. :rofl: nafsu aja digedein..sirik aja digedein ... :-"
maka baca postingan si TS di awal, yg bilang kagak ada saksi deket itu siapa ? .... he he kemarin minta saksi jauh, sekarang udeh dikasih minta deket (sembari gak ngeh udeh dibahas di muka)...masukin aja tuk pala ke toilet :toimonster:
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Postby endfinal » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:22 pm

Head Fixer wrote:ah dasar kapir FFi kagak pernah bisa pinter .. :rofl: nafsu aja digedein..sirik aja digedein ... :-"
maka baca postingan si TS di awal, yg bilang kagak ada saksi deket itu siapa ? .... he he kemarin minta saksi jauh, sekarang udeh dikasih minta deket (sembari gak ngeh udeh dibahas di muka)...masukin aja tuk pala ke toilet :toimonster:
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justru saksi dekat itu yang gak kompeten. masakan pembuktian dari alquran dan hadits yg ngarang ada orang disekitar mekah lihat bulan terbelah? mau percaya sumber yang dekat? percaya dari hongkong bung!!!
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Re: Mukzizat muhamad, terbelahnya bulan?

Postby belajarsejarah » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:09 am

Harus diakui kalau benar Mohamad membuat Bulan Terbelah menjadi dua adalah Mukjijat Besar..
Ini tentunya sudah Level Startrek.

Melihat gambar-gambar tentang "Bulan Terbelah" sangat meyakinkan, bulan tampak spt ada bekas jahitan caesar..
Sempat saya percaya dengan bukti-bukti ilmiah yang disajikan, bahwa bulan pernah terbelah pada jaman Mohamad SAW.

Persoalannya betulkah itu karena awloh ingin menunjukan kepada kaum musrik (bukan Amrik) bahwa ia adalah rasulnya, Demi menunjukan Nabi yang lebih dari nabi-nabi sebelumnya.. Ibarat Musa membelah laut masih Pentium I, Yesus membangkitkan orang mati Pentium III, nah Mohamad ini bisa membelah Bulan ? kalau mah ini Pentium 7 Bro.. sudah Processor 256 Bit, Hex quard! Betul2 Nabi superPower.. bayangin membelah bulan tinggal nunjuk 1 jari.. sreseet.. lebih gampang dari membelah duren.

Saya mencoba mencari Info mengenai belah membelah ini dari sumbernya penelitinya langsung :
Dr Zaghloul El-Naggar http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/index.php

Ada ribuan kesaksian beliau mengenai "Bulan Terbelah" disitus-situs Islam seluruh dunia Ironisnya disitusnya sendiri, kog tidak ada sama sekali soal "Bulan Terbelah" , click sana - click sini di situs professor Islamic Academic of Sciene kog mana split a moon nya?

Akhirnya, saya harus puas dengan penjelasan astronom dari tanah air, yang bilang begini:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap021029.html.


Namun di situ tidak ada penjelasan bahwa itu bukti bulan telah terbelah khan.
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Gambar itu hanyalah salah satu kanal sempit (disebut rille) yang dinamakan Ariadaeus Rille. Kanal seperti itu banyak terdapat di permukaan bulan dan bentuknya bermacam-macam, ada yang hampir lurus (seperti Ariadaeus Rille tersebut), ada juga yang berkelok-kelok (seperti Hadle Rille). Panjangnya bisa ratusan km, lebarnya beberapa kilometer, dan dalamnya bisa ratusan meter. Pembentukannya dari proses aktivitas geologis permukaan bulan, bukan karena celah bekas bulan terbelah. Jadi, anggapan bahwa kanal itu adalah bukti bahwa bulan pernah terbelah sangat mengada-ada. (seperti disampaikan olek Pak Djamaluddin-LAPAN)
Selengkapnya di http://mutoha.blogspot.com/2007/07/bula ... belah.html

Semoga menbantu,

Salam,
Mutoha Ar.
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astronomi_indonesia/message/3372

http://mutoha.blogspot.com/2007/07/bulan-pernah-terbelah.html

Kesimpulanku: Mohamad hanya berhasil "Membelah (sebelumdatang) Bulan" (Aisyah 9 taon)

Seperti lagu di tanah air: :-({|= "kalau bulan bisa ngomong.." .. ups
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