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Postby -The Archangel- » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:14 pm

dua wrote:Suroqoh adalah seorang pembunuh bayaran, yang pada awalnya tertarik untuk membunuh atau menyerahkan nabi Muhammad baik dlm keadaan hidup atau mati, krn mengingnikan hadiah yangbesar dari para pembesar qurais. Akhirnya pada suatu saat ia menjumpai muhaamad, dan pada saat ia mau mengayunkan pedang tuk membunuh Muhamad ternyata pedang tersebut tak bisa digerakan.

jujur gw katakan kalo kakek (aninisme) gw juga memiliki kemampuan yang sama dengan Momet The Copet. Tiap kali ada musuh yang mau membacok, pasti pedang si pembacok bakalan terpental atau si pembacok tidak bisa bergerak.
Apakah ini yang dinamakan mukzijat, yang kebanyakan orang bisa melakukannya :lol: :lol:
Akhirnya pedang itu mudah sekali diambil nabi. dan kini posisi terbalik, kemudian pedang diarahkan ke surokoh.
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Akhirnya setelah melihat kemukjizatan nabi ia masuk islam

Dengan pedang yang siap dihunuskan ke arah surokoh, apakah layak surokoh dikatakan masuk islam tanpa ada paksaan secara langsung atau tidak langsung. Dimana posisi dia saat itu sangat terjepit (antara hidup dan mati). Kalau dia tidak ikut gerombolan The Copet (ISLAM) pastilah orang ini bakalan mati dipancung.. satu-satunya jalan utk selamat yakni dengan masuk Gerombolan tsb.
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Postby feodor fathon FF » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:41 am

ha ha ..akhirnya ...
jadi gak bener toh pikiran kalian selama ini bahwa Muhammad gak bermu'jizat yg menurut kalian itulah kenapa Muhammad bukan seorang Nabi ...


daaaah ... bye ..bye wrong argue !!
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Postby bono » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:20 am

terjemahin dulu dong artikelnya baru ambil kesimpulan, wong pake bahasa inggris gitu, pake bhs.indo dong baru adil, karena banyak yang bahasa inggrisnya kurang jago seperti ana, dan ana tidak mau mensalahartikan ayat2 yang abang postingkan disini, begitu pula netter lainnya.
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Re: Mu'jizat Nabi Muhammad SAW

Postby feodor fathon FF » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:41 pm

feodor fathon FF wrote:
    THE MIRACLES OF THE HOLY PROPHET (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM)
    Chapter 3
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    Book 030, Number 5656:
    Anas reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) called for water and he was given a vessel and the people began to perform ablution in that and I counted (the persons) and they were between fifty and eighty and I saw water which was spouting from his fingers

[b]1. Air keluar dari jari2 nya

Book 030, Number 5657:
Anas b. Malik reported: I saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) during the time of the afternoon prayer and the people asking for water for performing ablution which they did not find. (A small quantity) of water was brought to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he placed his hand in that vessel and com- manded people to perform ablution. I saw water spouting from his fingers and the people performing ablution until the last amongst them performed it.

2. Orang banyak minum air yg keluar dari jari2 Nabi

Book 030, Number 5658:
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and his Companions were at a place known as az-Zaura' (az-Zaurd' is a place in the bazar of Medina near the mosque) that he called for a vessel containing water. He put his hand in that. And there began to spout (water) between his fingers and all the Companions performed ablution. Qatada, one of the narrators in the chain of narrators, said: Abu Hamza (the kunya of Hadrat Anas b. Malik), how many people were they? He said: They were about three hundred.

Book 030, Number 5659:
Anas reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) was at az-Zaura' and a vessel containing water was brought to him in which his finger could not be completely dipped or completely covered; the rest of the hadith is the same.

3. 300 orang minum air yg keluar dari tangan Nabi

Book 030, Number 5660:
Jabir reported that Umm Malik used to send clarified butter in a small skin to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). Her sons would come to her and ask for seasoning when they had nothing with them (in the form of condiments) and she would go to that (skin) in which she offered (clarified butter) to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), and she would find in that clarified butter and it kept providing her with seasoning for her household until she had (completely) squeezed it. She came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and (informed him about it). Thereupon, he (the Holy Prophet) said: Did you squeeze it? She said: Yes. Thereupon he said: If you had left it in that very state, it would have kept on provid- ing you (the clarified butter) on end.

5. Gandum yg mampu memenuhi kebutuhan sampai hari kiamat

Book 030, Number 5661:
Jabir reported that a person came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and asked for food. And he gave him half a wasq of barley, and the person and his wife and their guests kept on making use of it (as a food) until he weighed it (in order to find out the actual quantity, and it was no more). He came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) (and informed him about it). He said: Had you not weighed it, you would be eating out of it and it would have remained intact for you.

6. senanda dng di atas

Book 030, Number 5662:
Mu'adh b. Jabal reported that he went along with Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) in the expedition of Tabuk and he (the Holy Prophet) combined the prayers. He offered the noon and afternoon prayers together and the sunset and night prayers together and on the other day he deferred the prayers; he then came out and offered the noon and afternoon prayers together. He then went in and (later on) came out and then after that offered the sunset and night prayers together and then said: God willing, you would reach by tomorrow the fountain of Tabuk and you should not come to that until it is dawn, and he who amongst you happens to go there should not touch its water until I come. We came to that and two persons (amongst) us reached that fountain ahead of us. It was a thin flow of water like the shoelace. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) asked them whether they had touched the water. They said: Yes. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) scolded them, and he said to them what he had to say by the will of God. The people then took water of the fountain in their palms until it became somewhat significant and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) washed his hands and his face too in it, and then, took it again in that (fountain) and there gushed forth abundant water from that fountain, until all the people drank to their fill. He then said: Mu'adh, it is hoped that if you live long you would see its water irrigating well the gardens.

7. Membuat Oase dari air jari-jemari Nabi

Book 030, Number 5663:
Abu Humaid as-Sa'idi reported: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to Tabuk and we came to a wadi where there was a garden belonging to a woman. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said. Make an assessment (of the price of its fruit). And Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) also made an assessment and it was ten wasqs. He asked that lady (to calculate the amount) until they would, God willing, come back to her. So we proceeded on until we came to Tabuk and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The violent storm will overtake you during the night, so none amongst you should stand up and he who has a camel with him should hobble it firmly. A violent storm blew and a person who had stood up was carried away by the storm and thrown between the mountains of Tayy. Then the messenger of the son of al 'Alma', the ruler of Aila, came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) with a letter and a gift of a white mule. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) wrote him (the reply) and presented him a cloak. We came back until we halted in the Wadi al-Qura. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) asked that lady about her garden and the price of the fruits in that. She said: Ten wasqs. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I am going to depart, and he who amongst you wishes may depart with me but he who wants to stay may stay. We resumed the journey until we came to the outskirts of Medina. (It was at this time) that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: This is Taba, this is Uhud, that is a mountain which loves us and we love it, and then said: The best amongst the houses of the Ansar is the house of Bani Najjar. Then the house of Bani Abd al-Ashhal, then the house of Bani Abd al-Harith b. Khazraj, then the house of Bani Sa'ida, and there is goodness in all the houses of the Ansar. Said b. Ubada came to us and Abu Usaid said to him: Did you not see that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has declared the houses of the Ansar good and he has kept us at the end. Said met Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, you have declared the house of the Ansar as good and have kept us at the end, whereupon he said: Is it not enough for you that you have been counted amongst the good.

8. Senada dng No. 5

Volume 1, Book 7, Number 340:
Narrated 'Imran:
Once we were traveling with the Prophet and we carried on traveling till the last part of the night and then we (halted at a place) and slept (deeply). There is nothing sweeter than sleep for a traveler in the last part of the night. So it was only the heat of the sun that made us to wake up and the first to wake up was so and so, then so and so and then so and so (the narrator 'Auf said that Abu Raja' had told him their names but he had forgotten them) and the fourth person to wake up was 'Umar bin Al-Khattab. And whenever the Prophet used to sleep, nobody would wake up him till he himself used to get up as we did not know what was happening (being revealed) to him in his sleep. So, 'Umar got up and saw the condition of the people, and he was a strict man, so he said, "Allahu Akbar" and raised his voice with Takbir, and kept on saying loudly till the Prophet got up because of it. When he got up, the people informed him about what had happened to them. He said, "There is no harm (or it will not be harmful). Depart!" So they departed from that place, and after covering some distance the Prophet stopped and asked for some water to perform the ablution. So he performed the ablution and the call for the prayer was pronounced and he led the people in prayer. After he finished from the prayer, he saw a man sitting aloof who had not prayed with the people. He asked, "O so and so! What has prevented you from praying with us?" He replied, "I am Junub and there is no water. " The Prophet said, "Perform Tayammum with (clean) earth and that is sufficient for you."
Then the Prophet proceeded on and the people complained to him of thirst. Thereupon he got down and called a person (the narrator 'Auf added that Abu Raja' had named him but he had forgotten) and 'Ali, and ordered them to go and bring water. So they went in search of water and met a woman who was sitting on her camel between two bags of water. They asked, "Where can we find water?" She replied, "I was there (at the place of water) this hour yesterday and my people are behind me." They requested her to accompany them. She asked, "Where?" They said, "To Allah's Apostle ." She said, "Do you mean the man who is called the Sabi, (with a new religion)?" They replied, "Yes, the same person. So come along." They brought her to the Prophet and narrated the whole story. He said, "Help her to dismount." The Prophet asked for a pot, then he opened the mouths of the bags and poured some water into the pot. Then he closed the big openings of the bags and opened the small ones and the people were called upon to drink and water their animals. So they all watered their animals and they (too) all quenched their thirst and also gave water to others and last of all the Prophet gave a pot full of water to the person who was Junub and told him to pour it over his body. The woman was standing and watching all that which they were doing with her water. By Allah, when her water bags were returned the looked like as if they were more full (of water) than they had been before (Miracle of Allah's Apostle) Then the Prophet ordered us to collect something for her; so dates, flour and Sawiq were collected which amounted to a good meal that was put in a piece of cloth. She was helped to ride on her camel and that cloth full of food-stuff was also placed in front of her and then the Prophet said to her, "We have not taken your water but Allah has given water to us." She returned home late. Her relatives asked her: "O so and so what has delayed you?" She said, "A strange thing! Two men met me and took me to the man who is called the Sabi' and he did such and such a thing. By Allah, he is either the greatest magician between this and this (gesturing with her index and middle fingers raising them towards the sky indicating the heaven and the earth) or he is Allah's true Apostle." Afterwards the Muslims used to attack the pagans around her abode but never touched her village. One day she said to her people, "I think that these people leave you purposely. Have you got any inclination to Islam?" They obeyed her and all of them embraced Islam.
Abu 'Abdultah said: The word Saba'a means "The one who has deserted his old religion and embraced a new religion." Abul 'Ailya said, "The Sabis are a sect of people of the Scripture who recite the Book of Psalms."

9. wadah air yg penuh air dituangkan sampai habis tetapi tetap penuh kembali membuat sekampung masuk Islam

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 454:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Two of the companions of the Prophet departed from him on a dark night and were led by two lights like lamps (going in front of them from Allah as a miracle) lighting the way in front of them, and when they parted, each of them was accompanied by one of these lights till he reached their (respective) houses.

10. 2 cahaya ajaib mendampingi Nabi dan berperan sbg obor

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 832:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The moon was split into two parts during the lifetime of the Prophet.

11. Bulan terbelah 2

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 427:
Narrated Jabir:

We were digging (the trench) on the day of (Al-Khandaq ( i.e. Trench )) and we came across a big solid rock. We went to the Prophet and said, "Here is a rock appearing across the trench." He said, "I am coming down." Then he got up, and a stone was tied to his belly for we had not eaten anything for three days. So the Prophet took the spade and struck the big solid rock and it became like sand. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allow me to go home." (When the Prophet allowed me) I said to my wife, "I saw the Prophet in a state that I cannot treat lightly. Have you got something (for him to eat?" She replied, "I have barley and a she goat." So I slaughtered the she-kid and she ground the barley; then we put the meat in the earthenware cooking pot. Then I came to the Prophet when the dough had become soft and fermented and (the meat in) the pot over the stone trivet had nearly been well-cooked, and said, "I have got a little food prepared, so get up O Allah's Apostle, you and one or two men along with you (for the food)." The Prophet asked, "How much is that food?" I told him about it. He said, "It is abundant and good. Tell your wife not to remove the earthenware pot from the fire and not to take out any bread from the oven till I reach there." Then he said (to all his companions), "Get up." So the Muhajirn (i.e. Emigrants) and the Ansar got up. When I came to my wife, I said, "Allah's Mercy be upon you! The Prophet came along with the Muhajirin and the Ansar and those who were present with them." She said, "Did the Prophet ask you (how much food you had)?" I replied, "Yes." Then the Prophet said, "Enter and do not throng." The Prophet started cutting the bread (into pieces) and put the cooked meat over it. He covered the earthenware pot and the oven whenever he took something out of them. He would give the food to his companions and take the meat out of the pot. He went on cutting the bread and scooping the meat (for his companions) till they all ate their fill, and even then, some food remained. Then the Prophet said (to my wife), "Eat and present to others as the people are struck with hunger."

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Postby ali5196 » Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:06 pm

Kasihan yah elu FF, mengulang topik2 lama melulu. Kenapa ? Kau semakin desperate melihat semakin banyak orang meninggalkan Islam ? Termasuk yg mengunjungi forum ini ? heheheheh ... :twisted:

Muhamad melakukan Mukjizat ?
http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... c.php?t=35

Bukanlah rahasia bahwa agama bisa membuat buta dan orang beragama tidak mampu melihat sedikitpun kesalahan dalam agamanya. Inilah alasan mengapa Muslimin menganggap dirinya sanggup melihat kesalahan dalam agama Kristen, Yahudi ataupun Hindu, tanpa mampu melihat absurditas dalam kepercayaan mereka sendiri.

Muslimin begitu mencintai Muhamad sampai mengikuti caranya berpakaian, berbahasa, sampai ke tata cara makan. Ini bukan tanda kebesaran Muhamad tetapi tanda fanatisme dan buta agama pengikutnya. Pengikut segala "cult" mengagung-agungkan pemimpin mereka sebagai manusia sempurna. Ini bukan petunjuk hebatnya pemimpin mereka. Manusia memerlukan obyek pujaan. Sering pada saat wafatnya seorang pemimpin, ia diberi status mythologis yang lebih tinggi dibandingkan semasa hidupnya. Inilah saatnya kelemahan sang pemimpin sebagai manusia disembunyikan dari mata pemujanya.

Muslimin belum pernah melihat Muhamad. Mereka sepenuhnya tergantung kepada cerita turun temurun. Cerita2 ini begitu mengagungkan pribadi Muhamad sampai melampaui akal sehat. Kebanyakan Hadis dipalsukan, dibesar2kan oleh penjilat dan tidak memiliki dasar. Lihat sendiri contoh Hadis berikut ini dimana Muhamad dikatakan membelah bulan.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Buku 208
Diriwayatkan Anas bin Malik:
Penduduk Mekah meminta Rasulullah untuk menunjukkan kepada mereka sebuah mukjizat. Ia menunjukkan bulan dibelah menjadi dua, dengan bagian tengahnya terlihat Gunung Hiram'.

Juga Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Buku 56, Nomor 830, 831, 832.

Yang berikut dibawah ini menunjukkan Rasulullah membuat timbulnya air.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Buku 4, Nomor 170
Diriwayatkan Abu Malik:
Menjelang sholat 'Asr saya melihat Rasulullah dan pengunjung mencari air wudhu tetapi mereka tidak menemukannya. Kemudian (pot penuh dengan) air wudhu dibawa kepada Rasulullah. Ia memasukkan tangannya kedalam pot tsb dan memerintahkan orang untuk mengambil wudhu dari pot tersebut. Saya melihat air keluar dari bawah jari-jarinya sampai semua pengunjung selesai mengambil wudhu.

Atau mukjizat melipatgandakan roti : Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Buku 59, Nomor 428

Tetapi saat ditantang, Muhamad berulang kali membantah melakukan mukjizat. Ia mengakui bahwa nabi2 sebelumnya-lah yang diberikan kemampuan melakukan mukjizat. Mukjizat Rasulullah hanya berupa Quran.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9 Buku 92, Nomor 379:
Diriwayatkan Abu Huraira:
Rasulullah mengatakan, "Para nabi melakukan mukjizat agar orang percaya, tetapi apa yang diberikan kepada saya adalah apa yang diungkapkan Allah kepada saya. Saya harap pada Hari Akhir nanti pengikut saya akan menjadi lebih daripada pengikut para nabi lainnya."

Banyak surah dalam Quran yang menekankan Hadis terakhir tersebut diatas, bahwa Muhamad tidak pernah melakukan mukjizat dan malah menganggapnya tidak berguna. Dalam surah berikut ini Rasulullah mengakui bahwa nabi2 lain sebelumnya datang dengan mukjizat dan tanda2 jelas tetapi tetap manusia menolak mereka. Baginya, ini membuktikan bahwa mukjizat tidak ada gunanya.

Q 03:138:
Mereka juga mengatakan "Allah menerima janji kami untuk tidak mempercayai seorang rasul kecuali ia menunjukkan kurban yang sedang dimakan api (dari Surga)." Jawablah "Banyak rasul datang sebelum saya, membawa mukjizat (tanda tanda jelas) dan bahkan dengan apa yang kalian minta. Kenapa kalian tetap membunuh mereka ... ?"

Tetapi tetap, banyak yang menantang Muhamad agar menunjukkan sebuah mukjizat sehingga mereka bisa percaya.

Q 17:90
Mereka mengatakan: "Kami tidak percaya kepadamu, sebelum kau membuat air mengalir dari muka bumi ..."

Dan jawabannya hanyalah ini :
Q 17:93
Jawablah "Kemuliaan kepada Allah! Bukankah saya hanyalah manusia, pembawa kabar ?"

Orang meragukan Muhamad karena mereka tidak melihat satu halpun yang luar biasa darinya.
Q 17:94
Manusia tidak dapat percaya ketika berita didatangkan pada mereka, mereka hanya mengatakan: Apakah benar Allah mengirim manusia biasa sebagai rasulNya ?

Q 25:7
Dan mereka mengatakan "Rasul macam apa menyantapi makanan dan melangkah di jalan yang sama dengan kami ? Mengapa bukan bidadari yang dikirimkan kepada kami agar kami bisa memujaNya ?

Q 25:8
"Atau mengapa ia tidak memiliki kekayaan atau memiliki taman yang bisa dinikmatinya ?" Orang dengki akan berkata "Kalian mengikuti orang yang kemasukan setan."

Namun Muhamad selalu mengatakan kepada pengikutnya bahwa ia manusia biasa, bukan malaikat sehingga janganlah orang mengharapkan mukjizat darinya.

Q 17:95
Katakan: Kalau memang pernah ada malaikat yang hidup di dunia ini, Kami tentu akan menurunkan kepada mereka dari surga malaikat sebagai pembawa berita.

Akal sehat tentu mengatakan bahwa orang yang melakukan mukjizat seperti membelah bulan tidak akan dianggap gila atau kesurupan. Tetapi orang2 yang mengenalnya sebenarnya mencap-nya demikian.

Q15:106
Mereka mengatakan: "Wahai anda kepada siapa Berita diwahyukan. Pastilah anda gila (atau kesurupan)."

Tidak ada seorangpun yang akan menuntut mukjizat kalau memang Muhamad sanggup melakukannya.

Q 15:07:
Mengapa kau tidak menunjukkan kami para malaikat kalau memang kau adalah Rasulullah ?

Namun Muhamad hanya menjawab:
Q 15:08:
Kami tidaklah menurunkan malaikat kecuali beralasan... dan jika mereka datang, lihatlah, mereka yang tidak percaya tidak dapat menyelamatkan diri !

Kaum Quraish terus menuntut sebuah mukjizat dan Muhamad terus mengatakan bahwa ia hanya pembawa peringatan.
Q 13:07:
"Dan para kafir mengatakan: 'Mengapa Allahnya tidak menurunkan tanda2 kepadanya ?' Tetapi kau hanyalah pembawa peringatan, dan penunjuk jalan bagi setiap orang."

Ada beberapa ayat yang mengulang-ulangi hal yang sama: orang menuntut mukjizat dan Muhamad menjawab bahwa ia hanya manusia biasa seperti saya dan kamu, hanyalah seorang pembawa peringatan. Bukti jelas bahwa Muhamad belum pernah melakukan mukjizat adalah ayat berikut ini yang mengatakan bahwa orang bahkan menolak rasul2 lain yang datang dengan mukjizat dan tanda2 jelas, dengan arti kata lain, mukjizat tidak berarti apa2.

Q 3:184
Dan jika mereka menolakmu, begitu pula para rasul sebelummu, yang datang dengan tanda2 jelas, Buku tentang ramalan buruk dan Buku yang membawa Kejelasan.

Dalam ayat2 tersebut diatas Muhamad mengaku tidak memiliki kekuatan supernatural. Jika ia dapat melakukan mukjizat yang oleh Hadis dikatakan dibuatnya, apalah guna ayat2 tersebut diatas ? Berikut ini ia jelas menolak mukjizat sebagai bukti kerasulannya dan membedakan perbuatan tersebut sebagai perbuatan tukang sihir.

Q 2:3
Orang2 dengki tersebut ... mengatakan "Apakah kelebihan seorang seperti anda ? Apakah anda akan melakukan sihir dengan mata terbuka ?"

Ia memang benar ! Apa gunanya mukjizat ? Mukjizat mungkin bukti kepada mereka yang menyaksikannya, tetapi tidak punya arti bagi mereka yang tidak melihatnya. Muhamad menekankan bahwa mukjizat yang dibawanya adalah Quran, karena itu yang lebih penting. Tetapi ketahuilah, QURAN BUKANLAH SUATU MUKJIZAT. Quran adalah buku penuh dengan kesalahan dan tidak konsisten.

Saya tidak melihat Muhamad sebagai manusia luar biasa karena 2 alasan dibawah ini.
a) Banyak ayat dalam Hadis maupun Quran, jika memang benar, menunjukkannya sebagai orang yang sering marah, kejam, tidak kenal ampun dan suka menipu. Perbuatan seperti menyerang karavan dagang, membunuhi mereka yang memilih agama lain dan tidak mau menjadi pengikutnya, mengata-ngatai musuhnya, memperlakukan wanita sebagai warga kelas dua dan mencap mereka "kurang dalam intelektualitas" (deficient in intelligence), bak "gangster kelas bawah" membunuhi secara culas musuh2nya, dan banyak lagi tindakan yang jelas TIDAK menunjukkan mutu karakter spiritual yang saya cari untuk dijadikan panutan. Tindakannya adalah jauh dari tindakan seorang "rasul terhormat" sebagaimana ia menganggap dirinya dalam Q 69:40.

b) Muslimin modern jaman sekarang, khususnya mereka yang standar etika mereka dipengaruhi oleh persepsi barat/humanistik, mencoba menjauhkan diri dari Hadis2 yang menggambarkan Muhamad sebagai orang tidak bermoral dan tidak mengenal etika. Mereka menolak kesahan/validitas Hadis2 yang menunjukkan segi negatif Muhamad.

Namun, jika Hadis dan ayat2 tersebut memang ternyata palsu atau tidak benar, maka dasar2 validitas Islam akan runtuh dan orang tidak lagi memiliki alasan untuk mempercayai seorang figur mitologis yang keberadaan maupun kata2 sebenarnya TIDAK diketahui.//
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Postby ali5196 » Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:12 pm

moe wrote:Ini saya tambahi :
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ay ... d50918.htm
Apostle’s Greatest Miracle Was Sex


Sudah diterjemahkan di :
MUKJIZAT MUHAMAD TERBESAR; SEX
http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... php?t=2270

Bukhari,Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
“Nabi diberikan kekuatan (seksual) milik 30 lelaki”.


Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
"Nabi sering mengunjungi semua isterinya dalam satu ronde, pada pagi hari dan malam hari dan jumlah mereka sebelas. Nabi diberikan 30 (lelaki)."

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6:
Nabi menggilir semua isterinya dalam satu malam.

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 270:
Aisha mengatakan, "Saya menciumi wangi Rasulullah dan ia berkeliling (bersenggama) dgn semua isterinya."

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 74i:
Rasulullah mengatakan, "Suatu hari Solomon, putera David mengatakan, '(Demi Allah) Malam ini saya akan mengadakan hubungan seksual dgn 100 (atau 99) wanita yang setiap dari mereka akan melahirkan ksatria yg akan berjuang di jalan Allah.

MUKJIZAT TERBESAR: ALLAH MERIDHOINYA
Q66.1 SHAKIR: O Nabi ! Mengapa kau melarang (bagi dirimu) apa yg disahkan Allah bagimu (gadis budak Maria); kau mencoba menyenangkan isterimu (Hafsa)

:roll: :roll: :oops: :oops: Nabi cabul ! cuihhhhh .... No way gua akan menjedotkan kepala gua ke lantai 5 kali sehari untuknya...
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Postby feodor fathon FF » Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:34 pm

he he yg ono udeh dibaqntah di forum lain ...basi luh
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Postby curious » Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:36 pm

ayo donk lu bantah juga di sini. we'll have some fun ;)
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Postby feodor fathon FF » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:23 pm

ke sini aja deh ..yu ya yuk !!! yuuuuk !!
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Postby feodor fathon FF » Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:53 pm

kalau kalian gak bisa membantah selama 1 X 24 jam akan mu'jizat2 Nabi Muhammad ini maka secara otomatis kalian mengakui Kebenaran Muhammad sebagai NABI dan RASUL Allah
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Postby Logic » Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:57 pm

Terus terang gw semakin prihatin ngeliat postingan elu dor... Semakin menurun aja kualitas elu... Knp pulak elu mesti ngancem 1x24 jam? Buru2 amat? Kebelet pengen "terbukti" nabi bikin mujizat yah?

Jelas2 dari posting no 5 dari atas oleh Adadeh yg sangat singkat itu sudah terlihat bantahannya.

Adadeh wrote:Kok Qur'an mengatakan Muhammad hanya menghasilkan satu keajaiban: Qur'an yang na'auzubile amburadulnya.

dan posting no 14 dari atas oleh ali5196 yg jauh lebih rinci juga sudah terlihat bantahannya.

Para kafir tidak melanjutkan pembahasan BUKAN karena tidak dapat membantah tetapi karena dari posting2 tersebut SUDAH terjawab bahwa muhammad tidak melakukan mujizat.

Sederhananya begini: elu posting sedemikian panjang dengan meng-quote hadist dan elu di cuonter oleh Adadeh dan ali5196 berdasarkan quran. Menurut islam quran dibandingkan hadist, quran lebih tinggi otoritasnya. Karena berdasarkan quran mujizatnya muhammad adalah hanya quran maka semua argument elu yg berdasarkan hadist itu tidak perduli seberapa panjang dan seberapa banyak dan seberapa hebat dan seberapa jelimetnya berdasarkan aturan islam menjadi tidak valid.

Nah sekarang bagian yang paling keren adalah klaim kenabian muhammad dijelaskan melalui quran dan quran ada karena kenabian muhammad! Ini namanya circular reasoning! Akibatnya adalah kenabian muhammad dan kebenaran quran sebagai wahyu menjadi tidak valid karena tidak ada data lain yg dapat membuktikan validitasnya.

Sederhanakan? Udah dulu ah, masih ada kerjaan lain nih...

PS: jgn suka ngancem2, apalagi pake deadline 1x24 jam gitu, kita ada kerjaan lain selain forum ini tahu...
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Postby unagi » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:34 pm

Dari segitu banyaknya "so called" mukjisat..
kenapa sumbernya dari hadis yah?
apa ngga ada dari Quran sendiri?
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Postby feodor fathon FF » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:40 pm

saya balik nanya nih Kenapa mesti dari Quran ??
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Postby Logic » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:51 pm

dor. dor... kesian amat sih lhu... masalahnya adalah data dari adadeh da ali5196 itu dari quran dan otoritas quran menurut islam itu lebih tinggi dari hadist sehingga data yg elu sodorkan itu menjadi tidak valid, gitu loh...
udah dulu ah, offline dulu... ada pasien nih...
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Postby curious » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:54 pm

kenapa nggak dari qur'an? jawabnya: karena dalam qur'an sudah dikatakan muhammad nggak bisa bikin mukjizat. mukjizat dia adalah qur'an :D :D:D
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Postby Phoenix » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:59 pm

wah..lucu..kalau soal gini hadits dimajuin..tapi kalau soal lain pake hadits..dibilang: Jangan pake hadits donk..pake quran????
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Postby feodor fathon FF » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:00 pm

saya kembali nanya KENAPA MESTI PAKE QURAN ???
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Postby Phoenix » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:01 pm

Book 030, Number 5656:
Anas reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) called for water and he was given a vessel and the people began to perform ablution in that and I counted (the persons) and they were between fifty and eighty and I saw water which was spouting from his fingers


Ah...tapi waktu cebok..masa pake stick diusap-usap ke "anu"nya???? Mana donk miraclenya???hi..hi...
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Postby feodor fathon FF » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:04 pm

kembali yg ke 3 kalinya gue nanya

KENAPE MESTI PAKE FIRMAN ALLAH ???.....

APA KABAR MU'JIZAT TOKOH ENTE PAKE AYAT2 FIRMAN ??

KALO MAKSA HARUS JELAS ALASAN MAKSANYA ATUH .... BIAR PINTER !!





catatan buat si Ibu :
Coca cola kalo dibalik dibacanya bukan LA MUHAMMAD LA MAKKA
kalo LA yg artinya TIDAK tulisannya bukan begono
tapi LI MUHAMMADIN LI MAKKATIN (untuk Muhammad untuk Mekka)
bisi ente diketawain yg jago Arab nya ..kik kkik ...
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