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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby hikmat » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:18 pm

Amazing book!!!!!!!!

Jadi berkat banget, bro!!!!!!!!
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby walet » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:45 pm

Ini artikel yang sudah dirapikan di scribd.

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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby mikimos » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:05 pm

@ kak walet...

enakan scribdnya yang ini disini kak:
scribd-jesus-and-muhammad-by-mark-a-gabriel-t33650/

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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby walet » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:55 pm

mikimos wrote:@ kak walet...

enakan scribdnya yang ini disini kak:
scribd-jesus-and-muhammad-by-mark-a-gabriel-t33650/

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Okay, gua kasih satu lagi buat miki. :)

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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby walet » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:24 am

dhans wrote:Om nanya Dong...

Mark Gabriel itu nama Islamnya siapa ya(waktu dy masih jd dosen di Al-Azhar)?ga nemu nih saya, di wikipedia jg ga ada..
dy ngajar di Al-Azhar dari th berapa ampe berapa ya?
Ada lampiran2 ijazah2 dy ga di bukunya?

Thx Om..Salam :turban:


Biar bisa kamu penggal ya? Baca dulu aja bukunya, ada disitu pasti.
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby Jarum_Kudus » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:07 am

Mark Gabriel di YouTube:
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby walet » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:35 am

dhans wrote:
Wah saya ga punya bukunya..
Jadi Siapa namanya om??


Kan bisa dibaca diatas.
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kutukupret » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:57 pm

dhans wrote:Kan bisa dibaca diatas.


dimaneeeeeee leetttthh.....????lu tinggal ngasih tau ajah susah bener....hal berapa tu nama...udah lama ni, pertanyaan gw ga balas..malas de...[/quote]
dasar muslim pemalas, maunya cuman 72 bidadari aja. :green:
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kimi07 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:04 pm

kutukupret wrote:dimaneeeeeee leetttthh.....????lu tinggal ngasih tau ajah susah bener....hal berapa tu nama...udah lama ni, pertanyaan gw ga balas..malas de...

dasar muslim pemalas, maunya cuman 72 bidadari aja. :green:[/quote]
ente sendiri males baca?
heran deh, ga heran kaga murtad, males baca seh

Mark A gabriel (nama baru/samaran) 30 December, 1957 lahir dengan nama Mustafa lahir di Al Saeed. berasal dari keluaha kaya pemilik pabrik pakaian, punya 6 sodara laki2, 1 sodari permepuan.
slanjutnya silahkan baca sendiri males terjemahin gw

Mustafa grew up immersed in Islamic culture and was sent to Al Azhar school at the age of six. By the time he was twelve years old he had memorized the Qur'an completely (p. 9). After graduating from Al-Azhar University with a Master's degree for his thesis on The reign of the heir over the Islamic kingdom in the period of Ammaweya in 1990 he was subsequently offered a position as a lecturer at the university (p. 19). During his research, which involved travel to Eastern and Western countries, Mustafa had become disillusioned with Islam, finding its history, 'from its commencement to date, to be filled with violence and bloodshed without any worthwhile ideology or sense of decency. I asked myself "What religion would condone such destruction of human life?" Based on that, I began to see that the Muslim people and their leaders were perpetrators of violence"' (p. 20-21). Mustafa's discovery, during a trip to Iran, that a Persian Qur'an had 115 rather than 114 chapters "was the last straw, the last breath of faith" (p. 21) he had in Islam.

On hearing that Mustafa had "forsaken Islamic teachings" the authorities of Al Azhar expelled him from the University on 17 December, 1991 and asked for him to be released from the post of Imam in the mosque of Amas Ebn Malek in Giza city. The Egyptian secret police then seized Mustafa and placed him in a cell without food and water for three days, after which he was tortured and interrogated for four days before being transferred to Calipha prison in Cairo and released without charge a week later. Following these events Mustafa lost his faith and went to work as a sales director in his father's factory, but after a year of reflection on religious texts and discussions with a Christian woman he gave his "heart to Jesus" (p. 54).

On 4 August, 1994 Mustafa was sent by his father to South Africa to establish connections in the clothing materials business. In Durban he met a Christian family from India with whom he stayed for three days and lived a Christian life for the first time, before returning to Cairo. For about ten days Mustafa wore a Christian cross around his neck before his father noticed it and demanded an explanation. Mustafa explained: 'I received Jesus Christ as my God and Saviour, and I pray for you and the rest of my family to also accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour' (p. 60). Mustafa writes that his father collapsed, but on recovering cried out to his other sons 'Your brother is a convert! I must kill him today!'. Mustafa escaped to his sister's house and on 28 August, 1994 left on a journey through Northern Egypt, Libya, Chad and Cameroon, finally stopping in the Congo, where he was struck down by malaria. Following a miraculous recovery from certain death Mustafa left the hospital after five days "to tell the people everywhere what Jesus did" for him in Africa (p. 75).

Mustafa/Gabriel's life story is retold with a number of discrepancies (for example, that he was awarded a doctorate by Al Azhar) and various additions, including accounts of miraculous events, in Islam and Terrorism (pp. 1-19); Islam and the Jews (pp. 1-30) and Jesus and Muhammad (pp. 1-16).
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kimi07 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:27 pm

dhans wrote:

Miiii..kimiiii...lu dapet dri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_A._Gabriel
hah...dasar pemalas...

gw sudah menterjemahkan ratusan hamalan buku, klo u sebut gw pemalas, sebutan yg cocok buat u yg baca aja males apa yah?

dhans wrote:In addition to his alleged qualifications from Al Azhar University (his background has never been independently verified), Gabriel claims a doctorate in Christian education and a master's in world religion from Florida Christian University in Orlando,


kira2
klo yg murtad aja pengen di bunuh sama polisi mesir, di tembak sama ortunya sendiri, apakah Al azhar masih menyimpan berkas2nya? feeling gw smua yg berhubungan sama doktor mustafa itu sudah di bakar. daripada cape2 ke mesir, dengan resiko di taqiya oleh Al Azhar (dengan mengatakan ga kenal DR. Mustafa). silahkan baca dan debat buku nya, cek aja kedalaman ilmu islam DR Mustafa.

gelar doktor di bidang teologia kristenya memang berasal dari universitas yg tidak terakreditasi, tapi dia memang menjalani itu, apakah kamu berharap seseorang tanpa membawa bukti ijazah akan di terima di havard? :p
S1 nya itu benar dari YWAM , Cape town Africa
S2, S3, dari universitas kristen Orlando, yg memang belum terakreditasi, namun ada. http://www.fcuonline.com:8080/fcu/
mungkin dia memilih FCU supaya bisa kuliah jarak jauh, murah atau dll.
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby I Want You » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:41 pm

Hahaha ... ngk usah di ladeni Bro Kimi , muslim2 kebakaran jenggot , ngk bisa membantah cerita tsb , sekarang cari2 celah untuk menjelek2an Mark A. Gabriel .

muslim bangga dengan hajah irene handononya . paling bener , cerita paling membanggakan ! :green: :lol: :rolling: :rofl:
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kimi07 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:07 am

gw rasa dhans cuma terlalu takut untuk membaca buku Jesus & Muhammad, dia terlalu pengecut untuk membacanya.
ayo Dhans,
klo kamu merasa bahwa Islam adalah agama yg benar, jgn ragu tuk membaca, patahkan smua argumen Dr. Gabriel. tapi bersiaplah untuk terkejut....
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby I Want You » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:40 am

ada satu muslim yang gua kasih buku ini , ternyata isi yang lain ngk di sanggah , dia cuma marah2 bilang ngk bener waktu muhammad dan pengikutnya hijrah sampe kelaparan , mana ada ? dari mana cerita bohong itu , masak muhammad dan pengikutnya sampe makan daun dan kotoran ? :stun: dia bilang , muhammad adalah keturunan dari bangsawan , orang kaya dan terhormat.

tolong referensi lengkapnya , untuk membuktikan muhammad bener2 sulit pada waktu itu , dari sahih mana yah ? #-o
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kutukupret » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:00 pm

miki wrote:gw rasa dhans cuma terlalu takut untuk membaca buku Jesus & Muhammad, dia terlalu pengecut untuk membacanya.
ayo Dhans,
klo kamu merasa bahwa Islam adalah agama yg benar, jgn ragu tuk membaca, patahkan smua argumen Dr. Gabriel. tapi bersiaplah untuk terkejut....
dhans wrote:
:-" :-" ...takut...apanya tu buku yg bikin takut...tu posting lu udah gw baca udah lama...ga ada yg istimewa...
ditambah lagi yg nulis ga jelas..gw nanya dihal brapa, lu ambil dari wiki, gw nanya ada ijazah al azhar di bukunya lu blm tunjukin, kalo ada gw cari tu buku, gw liat kebenarannya...dari penulisnya aj udah ga berbobot spt yg lainnya..apanya yg istimewa bro....ga ada tuch....

si gabriel cm menuliskan secuil kesimpulan dy tentang muhammad di tambah kebenciannya karna udah ketularan ajaran fitnah si paul, wajar dy nulis gitu kim...

hehehe, tu buku sama aja kim....
oiya tu buku udah masuk tong sampah di AFF tapi disini jadi pujaan....hayah...
terpuruk sekali :-({|=


kalau di AFF ayat ini nggak brani di bahas. Bumi datar dan tidak bulat menurut Quran.

QS 55.10. Dan Allah telah meratakan bumi untuk makhluk(Nya).

Hayo....ada ayat ini nggak di buku itu ? buktikan jika anda sudah baca. bukan cuman OMDO.
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kutukupret » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:50 pm

kutu kampret wrote:kalau di AFF ayat ini nggak brani di bahas. Bumi datar dan tidak bulat menurut Quran.

QS 55.10. Dan Allah telah meratakan bumi untuk makhluk(Nya).

Hayo....ada ayat ini nggak di buku itu ? buktikan jika anda sudah baca. bukan cuman OMDO.
dhans wrote::lol: :lol:

:lol: wahaha..biasa aja dul nulisnya.gausah digedein gitu ah...bikin lu keliatan *** aja..udah ga ngerti so tau lagi...
Itu udah di bahas dul....keliling dong..apa gw yg kasih tau threadnya???
yg bilang bumi rata itu bibel, yg bilang bumi lingkaran itu bibel, yg bilang bumi itu kaya logam itu bibel, yg bilang bumi di gantung itu bibel juga..dan banyak lagi.... bukannya tambah pinter..malah *** belajar bibel...

di AFF nggak ada yang lucu macam beginian.
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby I Want You » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:18 pm

dhans wrote:
ah masa....muslim model gimana nih dul..jangan2 muslim buatan lu ajah lg... :finga:


ah ngapain juga gua mau bohong sama lu ? apa keuntungan atau efeknya , bagi gua ? muslim2 bebal macam lu , banyak kok ! :green:
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby wongjowo » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:27 am

dhans wrote:ah bisa aja lu ngelesnya..he.....muslim bebal banyak brow...kalo kristen bebal????smuanya bebaaaaaal broooow....he... tos dulu akh :partyman:


Salah satu muslim kaget, ga "punya otak" yang ngomong tanpa dasar....
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby wongjowo » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:12 am

Salah satu muslim kaget, ga "punya otak" yang ngomong tanpa dasar....

dhans wrote:elu mau dasar yg gimane dul....lu liat injil hasil edid si paul....disitu masih ada ayat2 yg bilang Yesi bukan Tuhan, eh si paul tetep nyuruh umatnya buat nyembah manusia..hayah...masih ada ga sih sebenernya otak loe :toimonster: ...??he..


Baca lagi aturan forum ini.
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kutukupret » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:33 pm

wongjowo wrote:Baca lagi aturan forum ini.
dhans wrote:yg mane dul...bawa sini donk...
Btw netter2 disini udah ikutin aturan forum blm.??

biasanya yang oot ke kresten cuman mulim yang nggak tau aturan spt macam anda. jadi selama ini nggak pernah nyadar ?
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Re: Jesus And Muhammad, by: Mark Gabriel PhD.

Postby kutukupret » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:00 pm

dhans wrote:oot ape di dul..??gw cm ngasih loe pembanding biar lu sedikit ada pemikiran adil di otak lu man...ayolah bung, adil lah sedikit..
jangan cuma bisanya berfikir untuk menghujat dong...

gbu


memangnya yang perilaku seperti dalam hadis shohih ini yang seharusnya mendapatkan pujian. =D> =D> =D>

Beberapa Sahabat rasulullah (saw) enggan utk senggama dgn tahanan2 wanita DIDEPAN SUAMI MEREKA yg kafir. Jadi Allah YANG MAHA JAYA mengirimkan ayat Qur’an: (Surat 4:24) "dan (diharamkan juga kamu mengawini) wanita yang bersuami, kecuali budak-budak yang miliki oleh tangan kananmu." Berarti, mereka halal (digagahi) setelah mereka selesai masa-tunggu mereka. (1479)" Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2150 p.577
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