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islam yang benar mengarah pada free sex

Postby sierra » Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:14 am

uda pada gila deh kalo loe orang masih kaga malu jadi islam,....kecuali yg hoby and ngefans banget ama free sex kaya kake basyir....
mari kaum muslimin dan muslimat,...khususnya yg cw tuh muslimah bukan sih,..?? what ever,... liat deh video wawancara gila berikut ini;

On the phone is the Grand Mufti of Syria (the highest Islamic religious authority in the country) by him and his companions the civil laws are tailored to fit into Islamic Shari’a law in Arabic countries, he had the courage to speak the truth out loud, or perhaps he didn’t think that the world won’t be listening, we don’t know the reason for sure. In the studio was one of the modern sheikhs who are striving hard to hide the truth about Islam by introducing Islam new look to the world

http://www.jesus-for-all.com/media/Sha7 ... ossession/

Amr Adeeb : Hello and welcome Dr Shahrour.

Dr Shahrour : Good evening and welcome.

Amr Adeeb : Welcome Sir.

Dr Shahrour : Hello and welcome.

Amr Adeeb : Happy to have you with us today.

Dr Shahrour : Thank you, Allah's willing.

Amr Adeeb : We have Sheikh Khaled El Gendi here as well.

Dr Shahrour : Yes

Amr Adeeb : May be you don't see him on the screen.

Dr Shahrour : No I don't see him.

Amr Adeeb : we have Sheikh Khaled El Gendi also here.

Dr Shahrour : Welcome to him.

Amr Adeeb : We need you to explain to us your interpretation and views on the verse (what your right hands may posses).

Amr Adeeb : A right hand possession I mean.

Dr Shahrour : Yes .. Yes, We have here two cases of religiously allowed sexual relations .. First case is the marriage, the second is a right hand possession, Marriage is not a right hand possession and vis-a vis. In both cases sexual intercourse is allowed (halal). Marriage is a kind relationship and the family ie when a man marries a woman seeking a joint living, to make family, meaning to stay together forever, having children this woman is called a wife. A right hand possession is the case that does not apply to all what I have just mentioned which are the conditions of marriage; this is a right hand possession.

4 wives allowed and an unlimited number of right hand possessions. Lord of mankind didn't say in the Qur'an that a right hand possession is slavery. In the Qur'an slavery was mentioned as in freeing slaves. However, historically people believed that a right hand possession is the slavery. A right hand possession is mentioned and explained 13 times in Allah's book as well as marriage, not only marriage but also right hand possession has been explained in the book of Allah.

Suppose that a man reaches adolescent in the age of 15 and marries in the age of 25. There are young men having a real sexual problem during those 10 years difference, the Islamic scholars didn't study and resolve this problem as it does exist,for example, the traveller's marriage and right hand possession since it doesn't apply to joint living, a right hand possession it is and not a marriage. Secondly, the marriage for pleasure is a case of right hand possession. Third, traveller's marriage is a right hand possession. All these cases are a right hand possession, since the human brain is crafty and wants to solve an existing problem which the scholars could not, The human brain invented the traveller's marriage, the friend marriage and the holiday marriage, there are many forms yet to be invented in the future.

Amr Adeeb : Mr Shahrour, suppose I have a 15-16 years old kid and I'm worried he commits adultery?

Dr Shahrour : I'm telling you that there is an existing sexual problem during 10 years of a man's life.

Sheikh Khaled : Do you believe that a right hand possession is still exists nowadays?

Dr Shahrour : Of course, no doubt about it

Dr Shahrour : For example, in Europe, a man lives with a woman in free will, facing people and neighbours, they have a joint living and everybody knows including their families

Dr Shahrour : This is a 100% allowed (halal) and is a right hand possession

Sheikh Khaled : What is adultery then?

Dr Shahrour : I'm telling you it's a right hand possession because it has been publicly declared

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet's companions (Sahaba) have a registered marriage contracts?

Sheikh Khaled : If the ruler permits it...

Dr Shahrour : This is the civil law now you're talking about, I'm talking about the case not the law, It's not about the law, I'm talking about the sexual relation in bed.

Sheikh Khaled : Taking bank interest was allowed in the beginning of Islam but not now, clear? Drinking alcohol was allowed in the beginning of Islam but not now.

Dr Shahrour : Sir, I'm talking about two cases, the first is a right hand possession and the second is marriage?

Sheikh Khaled : Answer the question please sir, what is adultery?

Sheikh Khaled : Define adultery?

Amr Adeeb : Let's first get your definition of a right hand possession.

Dr Shahrour : A right hand possession is a case that doesn't apply to the conditions of marriage and is religiously allowed relationship with a free will.

Amr Adeeb : Like what you mean?

Dr Shahrour : Allah's prophet explained this in Bukhary

Sheikh Khaled : Where? What did he say?

Dr Shahrour : Whomever a man and a woman agreed they live together for 3 nights, if they decide to carry on so be it, if they decide to break up so be it. Open Bukhary and read it.

Sheikh Khaled : Wasn't this the marriage for pleasure?

Dr Shahrour : It's in the Bukhary.

Sheikh Khaled : I know it's in the Bukhary, isn't this the marriage for pleasure?

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet of Allah show a third form of marriage?

Sheikh Khaled : This is the marriage for pleasure sir.

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet of Allah show a third form?

Sheikh Khaled : Ok please

Dr Shahrour : Did the prophet of Allah show a third form? My question is clear; in Allah's book there is marriage and a right hand possession.

Sheikh Khaled : The prophet (PBAH) permitted taking pleasure and then forbid it, also mentioned in the Bukhary and the Hadith.

Dr Shahrour : Why did he allow taking pleasure?

Sheikh Khaled : For military reasons, anything, what's important now is there is an abrogation in the share'a low.

Dr Shahrour : There is abrogate and abrogated which I don't believe in.

Sheikh Khaled : It's up to you.

Amr Adeeb : Dr shahrour please.

Dr Shahrour : The abrogate and abrogated don't exist in the first place.

Amr Adeeb : Let's go logically.

Amr Adeeb : Again, let me ask you a simple question, me as a man, what is my right hand possession, is she my servant?

Dr Shahrour : I'll tell you, traveller marriage in Saudi is not a marriage at all.

Sheikh Khaled : What is the traveller marriage?

Dr Shahrour : It's when the man visits the woman upon her request, It's when the man visits the woman upon her request, he's not responsible for either her or the children's expenses, he just gives them his name. This is not a marriage it's a right hand possession.

Sheikh Khaled : You're deluded sir.

Dr Shahrour : This is a right hand possession; this is a right hand possession

Amr Adeeb : Do you mean that any man and a woman decide to have a sexual relationship; this is called a right hand possession?

Dr Shahrour : Yes, willingly and according to the traditions.

Amr Adeeb : Adultery is by free will, does any one force an adulteress woman?

Dr Shahrour : Adultery is when more than one man is involved, this called adultery or when a married woman does it.

Sheikh Khaled : Do you mean when he pays her? What if it was for free?

Dr Shahrour : Besides, Adultery needs four witnesses to prove it.

Sheikh Khaled : No, no, no, we're not talking about proving it, what is adultery?

Amr Adeeb : Dr Shahrour, lets go step by step please, for example, I met my next-door girl, and decided to have a sexual relationship

Dr Shahrour : If the society doesn't forbid it there is no adultery in this.

Sheikh Khaled : This is getting serious now. Allah! Allah! Allah! . Go brother may Allah bless your parents. Meaning if the society forbids this the story is over?

Dr Shahrour : Sir, it's not up to you or me, a right hand possession is a free will case. Let me tell you about the Islamic scholars, they always like using force; sadly, wherever using force exists they are there, a right hand possession to them is the slavery, a woman is taken to slavery by force, goes to slavery market by force, gets shown up by force, get bought by force, the buyer takes her home and sleeps with her by force, the scholars believe that after 5 times of forcing, it becomes OK (halal). On the other hand if a man and an unmarried woman get willingly together they say it's forbidden!!

Amr Adeeb : Again Dr shahrour, if a man and a woman...

Dr Shahrour : To Islamic scholars forcing is the right form.

Amr Adeeb : Beautiful, lets explain to the people. A right hand possession is when a man and a woman agreed to have a sexual relationship.

Dr Shahrour : Yes if she wasn't married

Amr Adeeb : Yes if she wasn't married!

Dr Shahrour : Of course

Amr Adeeb : Halal (allowed)!

Dr Shahrour : Of course, of course, of course, of course

Sheikh Khaled : What about her father?

Dr Shahrour : Of course, It's down to the traditions. In France if the society, their families, she and him all know, the relation is ok, the relation is ok.

Amr Adeeb : Suppose it's an Arabic country if their families know and ok with them having a relation without a what's called a religious marriage?

Dr Shahrour : It's not allowed only in two cases, first one if she was married, second one if it's publicly ie if they were in the garden.

Amr Adeeb : He's happy

Sheikh Khaled : And her father?

Dr Shahrour : I told you if the society knows it's ok, this is now a social case. For example, it's ok in Europe.

Sheikh Khaled : I'm really happy, say again, carry on.

Amr Adeeb : No sir, let Europe aside, I'm talking about Islam and Muslims.

Dr Shahrour : You're talking about Arabs not Islam, Arabic traditions not Islam.

Amr Adeeb : I'm talking about Islamic society, never mind Arabs.

Dr Shahrour : Now you're talking about the Arabic society.

Amr Adeeb : No I'm asking about the Islamic society.

Dr Shahrour : In the Islamic society, Whomever a man or a woman agreed together, without numerous they stay for 3 nights, if she wasn't married its OK. Full stop, that's it.

Amr Adeeb : This is in addition to the 4 wives?

Dr Shahrour : What is the relation here?

Amr Adeeb : In addition to the 4 wives!

Dr Shahrour : Even if it's a 100, Abdul Rahman Bin Ouf had 90 right hand possessions, 90 he had.

Amr Adeeb : You mean it's unlimited.

Dr Shahrour : Of course It's open, but not more than one man.

Amr Adeeb : Not more than one man?

Dr Shahrour : Yes, Not more than one man

Amr Adeeb : No pregnancy you mean?

Dr Shahrour : No, no numerous, I mean he shoud not share her with a friend.

Sheikh Khaled : Again Dr Shahrour, a right hand possession between a man and a woman without any payments involved is ok.

Dr Shahrour : You mean without contract? The contract is a social tradition.

Sheikh Khaled : Social tradition?

Dr Shahrour : Of course, it's a civil low now.

Sheikh Khaled : If she wrote consent that she is ok with that, it's nobody's problem!!

Dr Shahrour : Nobody has any business with it.

Amr Adeeb : And is not forbidden !

Dr Shahrour : Absolutely

Amr Adeeb : Can I ask you something sir.

Dr Shahrour : Yes

Amr Adeeb : Your references, give me Qur'an and Sunna.

Dr Shahrour : Adultery needs 4 witnesses and Qur'an says if you gave them their due dowers and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues.

Sheikh Khaled : Dr shahrour, this is to prove adultery, 4 witnesses are needed when we need to prove adultery, and we don't want to prove it now. I'm asking what is adultery? So that we learn.

Dr Shahrour : Adultery is, if it was a married woman, or having sex publicly.

Sheikh Khaled : But in a house is not adultery?

Dr Shahrour : If with conformity and with unmarried woman

Sheikh Khaled : Student, Employed anything?

Dr Shahrour : Not married has nothing to do with her job, am I clear

Sheikh Khaled : Clear yes

Dr Shahrour : If she were married it's fornication therefore adultery.

Sheikh Khaled : Payable or for free?

Dr Shahrour : It's up to them, if he clears her she is his right hand possession, if she clears him he is her right hand possession.

Sheikh Khaled : What if there was pregnancy?

Dr Shahrour : According to what was agreed, just like the traveller's marriage in Saudi.

Sheikh Khaled : We're talking about adultery.

Dr Shahrour : I've been telling you this; right hand possession is not marriage.

Sheikh Khaled : Our professor. What happens if there was pregnancy out of adultery? In case the relationship is behind closed doors, nobody is watching and the rest of the conditions you told us do not apply.

Dr Shahrour : Yes, it's her fault then.

Sheikh Khaled : Then what?

Dr Shahrour : It's her fault that she agreed to that.

Sheikh Khaled : What do we tell her now; throw away your baby in the basket?

Dr Shahrour : It's her fault I'm saying, her fault. I'm telling you that 80% of the relationships on earth are allowed (halal).

Amr Adeeb : 80%? Question again, talk to me from Qur'an and Sunna…

Dr Shahrour : It's all from Qur'an I'm telling you

Dr Shahrour : When ye give them their due dowers (wages), and desire chastity not lewdness, nor secret intrigues. (If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands posses)

Sheikh Khaled : What does it mean (nor secret intrigues) Dr Shahrour?

Dr Shahrour : This case refers to the right hand possession. You have two cases there shouldn't be clear fornication because the right hand possession is for men and women.

Sheikh Khaled : What does it mean (nor secret intrigues) Dr Shahrour?

Dr Shahrour : Yes means that she is not his friend, meaning that he should respect her as well, Which makes a relationship between a man and a woman different from marriage, the wife is a relationship and a family, the wife is a relationship and a family, the conditions that don't apply to this, is the right hand possession. Clear, perfectly clear.

Amr Adeeb : Dr Shahrour, thank you.

Dr Shahrour : You're welcome.
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Postby sierra » Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:39 am

gimana,....????apakah ada dalam forum ini islam-islam yg benar,...??? tolong komentarnya,......tentang sex,...eh,...maksutnya tentang islam...dalam wawancara itu,.....bener ngga sih,.....all about sex,...like Om'muhamad..
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Re: islam yang benar mengarah pada free sex

Postby alpha » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:16 am

sierra wrote:uda pada gila deh kalo loe orang masih kaga malu jadi islam,....kecuali yg hoby and ngefans banget ama free sex kaya kake basyir....
mari kaum muslimin dan muslimat,...khususnya yg cw tuh muslimah bukan sih,..?? what ever,... liat deh video wawancara gila berikut ini;


Kagak ngerti mas, tolong translate aja :) Islam tidak mengenal free sex
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Postby mujahid 4JJI » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:01 pm

dua kemungkinan. wawancara itu palsu alias bikinan sendiri atau wawancara itu dimodifikasi alias ambil separuh2 (dua-duanya khas kafir harby). no further comment
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Postby twinz69 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:11 pm

HA HAH HA... si mujamek jawabannye kaya si mualaf....ini direkayasa,ini itu palsu,ini hadist palsu.
Ini die muslim **** yg gak mau trima kenyataan bahwa islam itu bejad.
Kalo ada bukti yg menjelek2xan islam slalu jawabannye dibilang palsu.
Nabi elo tuh yg palsu he he he !!! PE-A !!!!!
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Postby dua » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:40 pm

saudara siera sbl mengeluarkan statement tentang islam, cek dulu lah dlm alqur-an. jangan siarkan berita bohong kayak gini, udah basi tau. Free sex dalam islam adalah dosa besar , mau bukti lihat ini

Perempuan yang berzina dan laki-laki yang berzina, maka deralah tiap-tiap seorang dari keduanya seratus dali dera, dan janganlah belas kasihan kepada keduanya mencegah kamu untuk (menjalankan) agama Allah, jika kamu beriman kepada Allah, dan hari akhirat, dan hendaklah (pelaksanaan) hukuman mereka disaksikan oleh sekumpulan orang-orang yang beriman.
surat annur ayat 2
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Postby curious » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:40 pm

Alpha, saya telah post tafsir qur'an mengenai hubungan seks dengan budak dan tawanan perang di thread http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... highlight=

yang tampaknya sesuai dengan apa yang dipost sierra. mungkin karena itu TKI dianggap halal disetubuhi majikan, karena dianggap sebagai budak, yang dihalalkan oleh Qur'an untuk disetubuhi majikan.
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Postby alpha » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:27 pm

curious wrote:Alpha, saya telah post tafsir qur'an mengenai hubungan seks dengan budak dan tawanan perang di thread http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... highlight=

yang tampaknya sesuai dengan apa yang dipost sierra. mungkin karena itu TKI dianggap halal disetubuhi majikan, karena dianggap sebagai budak, yang dihalalkan oleh Qur'an untuk disetubuhi majikan.


Pendapat :
Ya itulah yang salah bukan ajarannya tapi pemeluknya yang tidak mengerti kalau mereka menganggap seperti itu. Saya tidak mau menuduh. Kalau ajarannya seperti yang saya sampaikan. Mereka yang melakukan itu berarti BERZINAH dan haram hukumnya, biar Allah yang membalas perlakuan tersebut.
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Postby curious » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:23 am

alpha. mari lanjutkan di thread nikah itu. karena menurut scholar islam yang saya kutip itu, memang hamba sahaya & tawanan perang adalah halal untuk disetubuhi tanpa dikawini.
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Postby alpha » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:06 pm

curious wrote:alpha. mari lanjutkan di thread nikah itu. karena menurut scholar islam yang saya kutip itu, memang hamba sahaya & tawanan perang adalah halal untuk disetubuhi tanpa dikawini.


Betul sekali tapi lihat konteks ayatnya pada saat itu makanya kalau mau diskusi baca Al Qur'an yang benar dan beli tafsirnya modal dikitlah. Hamba Sahaya dan Budak halal bagi majikannya (ingat anda harus tau kapan itu terjadi), banyak cerita bagaimana pembenahan sistem lama dalam masyarakat Arab di Al Qur'an termasuk bagaimana Muhammad mengawini mantan istri budaknya yang notabene sepupu beliau untuk merubah pandangan masyarakat Arab waktu itu. Tapi orientalis termasuk anda-anda melihatnya lain hehehe silahkan saja gitu aja kok repot.

Tapi kami kaum muslimin melihatnya dari sisi lain karena dalam diri Muhammad terdapat contoh-contoh atau suri tauladan sebagai aktualisasi Al Qur'an kenapa beliau lakukan itu dasarnya apa? konsekwensi apa? Tapi disini bukan tempat utk menjelaskan hal itu ntar juga sudah ada yang posting dengan segala carut marut hehehe. Cukup

Coba anda bandingkan Al Qur'an versi anda dengan Al Qur'an "ASLI LHO" hehehe baik bahasa maupun tafsir dari ayat-ayatnya.
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Postby anti islam » Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:13 pm

Coba anda bandingkan Al Qur'an versi anda dengan Al Qur'an "ASLI LHO" hehehe baik bahasa maupun tafsir dari ayat-ayatnya.[/b][/color][/size]


coba kasih ayat dr yang namanya "quran yang asli" menurut kamu
emanya ada yach quran yang palsu (menurut anda )....?????kalao yach kasih tahu mana yang asli dan yang palsu ??emang quran yang lo pake itu EDISI MESIR atau EDISI MUI INDONESIA ???HUA..HA...

BUNG, ...KALO JUALAN KOPI YANG BENER AJA..GUA TUNGGU JAWABAN ENTE :P :P :P
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Postby alpha » Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:22 pm

anti islam wrote:
Coba anda bandingkan Al Qur'an versi anda dengan Al Qur'an "ASLI LHO" hehehe baik bahasa maupun tafsir dari ayat-ayatnya.[/b][/color][/size]


coba kasih ayat dr yang namanya "quran yang asli" menurut kamu
emanya ada yach quran yang palsu (menurut anda )....?????kalao yach kasih tahu mana yang asli dan yang palsu ??emang quran yang lo pake itu EDISI MESIR atau EDISI MUI INDONESIA ???HUA..HA...

BUNG, ...KALO JUALAN KOPI YANG BENER AJA..GUA TUNGGU JAWABAN ENTE :P :P :P


Hehehe, kagak tau dia rupanya. Qur'an semua berbahasa Arab dan dihafal ribuan orang hehehe (ini keajaiban lho) dibaca dalam sholat hehehe. Edisi Mesir, Edisi MUI, Edisi Inggris sama saja kalau Al Qur'an tapi kalau hanya terjemahannya hehehe banyak palsunya seperti yang ente punya. Jadi Al Qur'an tidak ada yang palsu dipalsupun ketahuan karena banyak yang hafal hehehe. Untuk belajar ada ilmunya yaitu Ilmu Tafsir.....Cukup ah capek.......
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Postby curious » Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:34 pm

alpha wrote: Hamba Sahaya dan Budak halal bagi majikannya (ingat anda harus tau kapan itu terjadi), banyak cerita bagaimana pembenahan sistem lama dalam masyarakat Arab di Al Qur'an termasuk bagaimana Muhammad mengawini mantan istri budaknya yang notabene sepupu beliau untuk merubah pandangan masyarakat Arab waktu itu. Tapi orientalis termasuk anda-anda melihatnya lain hehehe silahkan saja gitu aja kok repot.


Sayyid Abul A'la Mawdudi yang saya kutip adalah cukup contemporary. bukan dari zaman muhammad. Dia hidup antara 1903-1979

http://www.islamonline.net/surah/english/quran2.shtml

janganlah terus membela yang tidak bisa dibela lagi ;)

kami bukan orang **** yang menerima "pembelaan" tak berdasar dari islamist.
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Postby alpha » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:44 pm

curious wrote:
alpha wrote: Hamba Sahaya dan Budak halal bagi majikannya (ingat anda harus tau kapan itu terjadi), banyak cerita bagaimana pembenahan sistem lama dalam masyarakat Arab di Al Qur'an termasuk bagaimana Muhammad mengawini mantan istri budaknya yang notabene sepupu beliau untuk merubah pandangan masyarakat Arab waktu itu. Tapi orientalis termasuk anda-anda melihatnya lain hehehe silahkan saja gitu aja kok repot.


Sayyid Abul A'la Mawdudi yang saya kutip adalah cukup contemporary. bukan dari zaman muhammad. Dia hidup antara 1903-1979

http://www.islamonline.net/surah/english/quran2.shtml

janganlah terus membela yang tidak bisa dibela lagi ;)

kami bukan orang **** yang menerima "pembelaan" tak berdasar dari islamist.


Saya yakin kok mas punya referensi, saya juga punya setelah dibandingkan pasti satu sama lain tidak mau mengalah makanya cek keasliannya, saya cek hadist anda banyak yang keliru silahkan bandingkan dengan yang ada di Indonesia saja kenapa? karena selain ada terjemahannya ada juga arabnya, Al Qur'an juga silahkan beli yang tafsir Indonesia jika ragu ada arabnya. Pelajarin arabnya kalau mau seperti yang dilakukan banyak ahli seperti Snock Hurgronye atau Maurice Bucaille, demikian mas terima kasih.
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Postby ali5196 » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:39 pm

alpha wrote:Pelajarin arabnya kalau mau seperti yang dilakukan banyak ahli seperti Snock Hurgronye atau Maurice Bucaille, demikian mas terima kasih.[/b]


Lucu sekali anda menyebut Snouck Hurgronye ! Bukannya menurut Muslim, hasil penyelidikannya sangat merugikan nama baik Islam ?

SIASAT SNOUCK HURGRONYE
http://www.mediacenteraceh.org/index.ph ... &Itemid=35
Untuk mengalahkan pertahanan dan perlawan Aceh, Belanda memakai tenaga akhli Dr Snouck Hurgronye yang menyamar selama 2 tahun di pedalaman Aceh untuk meneliti kemasyarakatan dan ketatanegaraan Aceh. Hasil kerjanya itu dibukukan dengan judul Rakyat Aceh ( De Acehers). Dalam buku itu disebutkan rahasia bagaimana untuk menaklukkan Aceh.
Dimana isi nasehat Snouck Hurgronye kepada Gubernur Militer Belanda yang bertugas di Aceh adalah, Supaya golongan Keumala (yaitu Sultan yang berkedudukan di Keumala) dengan pengikutnya dikesampingkan. Menyerang terus dan menghantam terus kaum ulama. Jangan mau berunding dengan pimpinan-pimpinan gerilya. Mendirikan pangkalan tetap di Aceh Raya. Menunjukkan niat baik Belanda kepada rakyat Aceh, dengan cara mendirikan langgar, masjid, memperbaiki jalan-jalan irigasi dan membantu pekerjaan sosial rakyat Aceh.
Ternyata siasat Dr Snouck Hurgronye diterima oleh Van Heutz yang menjadi Gubernur militer dan sipil di Aceh (1898-1904). Kemudian Dr Snouck Hurgronye diangkat sebagai penasehatnya.

http://www.republika.co.id/koran_detail ... =&kat_id2=
Pendapat Snouck yang menyebutkan Islam berasal dari India, kata Hamka dalam prasarannya di seminar itu, merupakan jarum halus untuk menentang pengaruh Arab yang ia dapati ketika Aceh berperang melawan Belanda.

http://suaraku.wordpress.com/2006/03/02 ... demokrasi/ Membunuh Islam tidak perlu perang, sama seperti Snouck Hurgronye punya tesis jauhkan ummat dari pemuka agama, thesis universal adalah jauhkan muslim dari Al-qur’an dan Sunnah. Gak usah dibantah, ini sudah jadi rahasia umum.
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Re: islam yang benar mengarah pada free sex

Postby ali5196 » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:47 pm

sierra wrote:On the phone is the Grand Mufti of Syria (the highest Islamic religious authority in the country) by him and his companions the civil laws are tailored to fit into Islamic Shari’a law in Arabic countries, he had the courage to speak the truth out loud, or perhaps he didn’t think that the world won’t be listening, we don’t know the reason for sure. In the studio was one of the modern sheikhs who are striving hard to hide the truth about Islam by introducing Islam new look to the world


sierra, gua copy paste ke Forum Terjemahan utk diterjemahkan yah ?
http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/f ... php?t=3191
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Postby curious » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:24 am

Terjemahan yang saya pakai adalah dari website islam sendiri http://quran.al-islam.com/
jika anda merasa itu terjemahan PALSU, silakan protest ke Kerajaan Saudi Arabia yang punya website.

Basi sudah pembelaanmu, alpha. saban kali muslim cuma bisa teriak hadist palsu, qur'an palsu. coba sekali-sekali teriak NABI PALSU, AGAMA PALSU sajalah ;)

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Postby islambuster » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:13 pm

curious wrote:Terjemahan yang saya pakai adalah dari website islam sendiri http://quran.al-islam.com/
jika anda merasa itu terjemahan PALSU, silakan protest ke Kerajaan Saudi Arabia yang punya website.

Basi sudah pembelaanmu, alpha. saban kali muslim cuma bisa teriak hadist palsu, qur'an palsu. coba sekali-sekali teriak NABI PALSU, AGAMA PALSU sajalah ;)

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kalo islam palsu ada ngga,...????
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Postby swatantre » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:21 pm

Gak ada, lha wong semua islam itu sama2 palsu. Palsu ketemu palsu, ya sama2 ngecap kalo asli semualah.....
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Postby islambuster » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:17 am

Aneh,...islam-2 di FFI ,...pada so' tau banget sih,....???? Dari artikel diatas dan cuplikan video udah jelas kalo yg ngomong tu islam, arab and ngerti banget apa ajaran islam yg sebenarnya tentang sex yg di halalkan berdasarkan ajaran-2 islam dan kebudayaan arab..!!! Masih aja bilang palsu lah,...ngga ngarti inggris,...ngga ngarti arab,....kayanya loe orang juga pada kaga ngarti agama yg loe tekuni,....bahasanya arab sih,...!!!
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