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Postby DianAZ » Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:17 pm

Iraqis say Saudis financing Sunni insurgents
Government denies private donations to charities being used for arms

CAIRO, Egypt - Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.

Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.

But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents. Several truck drivers interviewed by The Associated Press described carrying boxes of cash from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, money they said was headed for insurgents.

In one recent case, an Iraqi official (tentunya mereka bukan dari golongan Islam Sunni, atau sedikitnya Sunni Non-Arab: seperti Kurdi atau Kaldian dll) is aid $25 million in Saudi money went to a top Iraqi Sunni cleric and was used to buy weapons, including Strela, a Russian shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The missiles were purchased from someone in Romania, apparently through the black market, he said.


Saudi officials vehemently deny their country is a major source of financial support for the insurgents.

But the Iraq Study Groupsaid “funding for the Sunni insurgency comes from private individuals within Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states.”

Money smuggled with pilgrims?
Several drivers interviewed by the AP in Middle East capitals said Saudis have been using religious events, like the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and a smaller pilgrimage, as cover for illicit money transfers. Some money, they said, is carried into Iraq on buses with returning pilgrims.

“They sent boxes full of dollars and asked me to deliver them to certain addresses in Iraq,” said one driver, who gave his name only as Hussein, out of fear of reprisal. “I know it is being sent to the resistance, and if I don’t take it with me, they will kill me.”
He was told what was in the boxes, he said, to ensure he hid the money from authorities at the border.

The two Iraqi officials would not name specific Iraqi Sunnis who have received money from Saudi Arabia. But Iraq issued an arrest warrant for Harith al-Dhari, a Sunni opponent of the Iraqi government, shortly after he visited Saudi Arabia in October. He was accused of sectarian incitement.


Still, Iraq’s foreign minister expressed concern about the influence of neighboring Sunni states at a recent Arab foreign ministers meeting in Cairo.

“We hope that Saudi Arabia will keep the same distance from each and all Iraqi parties,” Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari later told the AP.

Last week, a Saudi who headed a security consulting group close to the Saudi government, Nawaf Obaid, wrote in the Washington Post that Saudi Arabia would use money, oil and support for Sunnis to thwart Iranian efforts to dominate Iraq if American troops pulled out. The Saudi government denied the report and fired Obaid.

Lengkapnya ada disini Iraqis say Saudis financing Sunni insurgents

© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Nampak terlihat bahwa Arab Saudi-Sunni dan negara-negara Timur Tengah-Sunni ingin perang melawan Iran-Siah dan Irak-Siah DI NEGARA IRAK, ini kemungkinan besar akan berakibat hancurnya Negara Irak itu sendiri! :( :( :(
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Bullshit sectarian thread

Postby Lulldapull » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:00 pm

Khusus untuk pengagum Moshe Dayan, si monyet bermata satu... :lol: :lol: ini tak lebih dari cara menghilangkan bukti bahwa Saddam pernah dibantu AS-Inggris selama Perang Iran-Iraq. Perusahaan AS yang memasok senjata kimia untuk Saddam ternyata memasang nama D***(head) Cheney dan Bush Tua sebagai presdir atau CEO. Tak heran andaikata Saddam bernyanyi, akan banyak pejabat atau mantan pejabat AS yang terkait. Itulah sebabnya ia perlu digantung hanya sebatas pembunuhan 148 warga Syi'ah di Dujail selama Operasi Al-Anfal tanpa menghiraukan pembunuhan yang juga dilakukan terhadap lawan politiknya. Namun semuanya ini tak dipedulikan AS karena Saddam adalah kawan AS saat itu.

Namun Saddam hanyalah setan kecil bila dibandingkan teroris idiot Bush yang membantai masyarakat Iraq berdasarkan omong kosong macam Saddam - Al-Qaidah serta senjata pemusnah massal, termasuk Abu Ghraib, belum lagi 12 tahun embargo pesanan AS-Inggris yang menewaskan satu juta rakyat Iraq, khususnya anak-anak.

Saddam Hussein: Execution Video Meant to Cause Shia-Sunni Conflict (added)
By: Editor I.I.S

The leaking of the videotape of hanging of Saddam and the dialogue that was exchanged between Saddam’s executioners, handpicked by Americans, and the subsequent planting of stories in mainstream media that Saddam's hanging will be seen by Shia's as a welcome sacrifice on one of the Holiest days of Islam was a deliberate act meant to create a backlash amongst Muslims and a Shia-Sunni conflict in the Muslim world.

Americans have perfected the art of movies in which actors act out the pre-scripted scenarios and dialogues. Scenarios and dialogues which will have a certain impact on the minds of the audience.

Saddam was in American custody from the moment he was caught, his trial was an American trial, and his execution was carried out under American supervision. The puppet Maliki government had no say at all in this and as all puppets do, he had to go along with whatever was dictated by the Americans

The selection of the day of Eid-ul-Adha for hanging, the videoing, the pre-scripted “taunts” by hired hangmen, and the release of the video had the goal of creating a division between Shia and Sunni, and angering the Muslim youth in Europe and elsewhere.

Americans want to get rid of Moqtada Sadr, who stands in their way of delivering Iraq’s oil to the American oil companies, and what a better way to do that then to get the Sunni resistance in Iraq to turn their guns on Moqtada Sadr, rather than fight the Americans. The actors who were given the script to shout “Moqtada, Moqtada” to Saddam during his hanging was to incite Sunni feelings against the Shia. To show that the hanging was an act of Shia vengeance against the Sunni Saddam.

The second reaction that they wanted to achieve was for Muslim youth in Europe and elsewhere to resort to acts of terror. Americans know that Muslim youth is angry and many of them will be outraged and chatter about revenge, which is exactly what the Americans need in their “war on terror”, and to keep Europeans and Americans united in the Crusade against Islam and Muslims.

Muslims must not be stupid and fall into this trap of sectarian violence and acts of revenge.



Editor I.I.S.

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/114034
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Postby Lulldapull » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:11 pm

How to Start a Civil War
Few westerners know that about 20% of Iraqi marriages are Sunni-Shia unions.

Just as few know that Saddam´s Baath party had a large membership of Shia as well as Sunnis and even Christians, like the vice minister.

When Saddam distributed weapons to civilians before the war, he gave them to Sunnis and Shia alike.

I watched a documentary on German TV, where a Shia woman from a poor neighbourhood in Bagdad was interviewed. She, a school teacher, wore traditional Shia clothing and in her free time she trained other religious Shia women in the use of fire arms.

At the beginning of the American occupation of Iraq, right after Bush´s "Mission accomplished", I read articles on Moqtada Sadr and his militia, and how admired he was in the poor areas of Iraq across any sectarian borders.

His people were doing the social work and ran clinics. His organisation was seen as non-corrupt similar to Hizbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine. Even Sunnis had his picture on the wall, especially after he offered to join the resistance in Fallujah.

When the Shia mosque was bombed, it was Sadr who blamed the Americans for it.

It would be very much out of character if it really were Sadr´s militias who were indiscriminately mass-murdering their Sunni neighbours.

According to many Iraqis, while there was a division between Kurds and Arabs in the north of Iraq, there never was a division between Sunnis and Shia before the war.

And although now, the Sadr militias are blamed for the sectarian violence, a few months back there came reports out of Iraq that the violence originated from some Badr brigade units, connected to Ahmed Chalabi, the ex-CIA assassin and neo-con agent responsible for the WMD lies.

In "Crime fighting or Crime Cover-up", the German blogger "Freace" asks if the bombing of the Basra police station really was what we were told in the mainline media.

According to BBC reports, it was apparently the same police building in which last year 2 special unit Brits wearing Arab clothes and driving a car full of explosives had been detained and arrested after they had shot several policemen. The building was then stormed by British troops to free those obviously false flaggers.

This time around, more than a 1000 Brits attacked this one building with only "very few police officers" in it. Then out came those contradicting accounts on the number of prisoners supposedly freed, from 178 to 127 to 76.

Nothing was mentioned as to where the supposedly tortured prisoners were hospitalized, and instead of using the building for other purposes, like a different police unit, it just was blown up.

Could it be that this supposedly rogue police unit was not so rogue after all, but just doing its job in finding evidence and witnesses as to who really is behind the "sectarian violence"?

Whatever the truth is about the Sunni-Shia divide, and the sectarian violence, the only parties profiting from a civil war, are Israel and her Zionist supporters in the west.

The plan to divide Iraq and all the other surrounding countries along sectarian and ethnic lines has been a Zionist dream stated in several policy papers for decades now.

I totally agree with the following editorial from the Institute for Islamic Services:

Execution Video Meant to Cause Shia-Sunni Conflict

"The leaking of the videotape of hanging of Saddam and the dialogue that was exchanged between Saddam’s executioners, handpicked by Americans, and the subsequent planting of stories in mainstream media that Saddam's hanging will be seen by Shia's as a welcome sacrifice on one of the Holiest days of Islam was a deliberate act meant to create a backlash amongst Muslims and a Shia-Sunni conflict in the Muslim world.

Americans have perfected the art of movies in which actors act out the pre-scripted scenarios and dialogues. Scenarios and dialogues which will have a certain impact on the minds of the audience.

Saddam was in American custody from the moment he was caught, his trial was an American trial, and his execution was carried out under American supervision. The puppet Maliki government had no say at all in this and as all puppets do, he had to go along with whatever was dictated by the Americans

The selection of the day of Eid-ul-Adha for hanging, the videoing, the pre-scripted “taunts” by hired hangmen, and the release of the video had the goal of creating a division between Shia and Sunni, and angering the Muslim youth in Europe and elsewhere.

Americans want to get rid of Moqtada Sadr, who stands in their way of delivering Iraq’s oil to the American oil companies, and what a better way to do that then to get the Sunni resistance in Iraq to turn their guns on Moqtada Sadr, rather than fight the Americans. The actors who were given the script to shout “Moqtada, Moqtada” to Saddam during his hanging was to incite Sunni feelings against the Shia. To show that the hanging was an act of Shia vengeance against the Sunni Saddam.

The second reaction that they wanted to achieve was for Muslim youth in Europe and elsewhere to resort to acts of terror. Americans know that Muslim youth is angry and many of them will be outraged and chatter about revenge, which is exactly what the Americans need in their “war on terror”, and to keep Europeans and Americans united in the Crusade against Islam and Muslims.

Muslims must not be stupid and fall into this trap of sectarian violence and acts of revenge."


http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/356

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[b]Bush handed Saddam to sectarian lynch mob VIDEO

Posted by Evan Derkacz on January 1, 2007 at 4:19 PM.

The video to the right is a censored version of the Saddam execution you can find just about anywhere on the web right now. If you must see the actual execution, go HERE.( http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... category=0)

I post it so you can hear for yourself its most important aspect. Toward the end of the clip, you can make out deafening shouts of "Muqtada," indicating to the entire Muslim world and beyond that Saddam was essentially handed over to a Shi'ite militia to kill their enemy, a Sunni.

The Bush admin has spent years telling everyone who would listen that the Unity government of Iraq (Sunni and Shi'ite) would thrive, that Democracy would flourish, that — as Josh details exhaustively — success lay just around the bend.

Josh Marshall, asking whether we'll look back on this as "a signal of American power or weakness," notes that this sham is an American job from start till... juuuuust before the finish, when we handed Saddam over to Iraqi Shi'ites to do the killing. And this, after the trial for relatively small crimes, with a sentencing date ever so suspiciously timed to U.S. elections...

So now, apart from the fading hope for some actual justice for the victims of Saddam's war crimes (in the form of some investigation and revelation of facts), the Bush Administration's bungling ways continue by fanning the flames of the Iraqi Civil War, endangering everyone in the region, our soldiers included.

One Arab diplomat put it this way: "This footage is going to antagonize Sunnis throughout the Middle East... It's one thing for Sunnis to read about al-Sadr's followers gloating. It's far more upsetting to watch and hear them do it."

Asked by Tim Russert "What impact do you believe his execution will have short term, long term on the security situation in Iraq?," NBC correspondent Richard Engel grimly replied: "Frankly, tim, I don’t think that it will have a tremendous impact...The fact that this video and the execution itself were tinged by such sectarian overtones, that could fuel the much more greater problem in this country which is the civil war."

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/#46145
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Postby spiderweb » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:00 pm

most interesting! jadi semua pertikaian sunni and shiah ini biangnya setan besar US and setan kecil israel

tapi bukannya bunuh-bunuhan ala shia and sunni ini udah terjadi sejak jaman nabi lu itu mati diracun?

yang dulu bunuh si ali itu siapa? waktu itu US and Israel kan belum ada?

bonus:
kerusuhan ala sunni and shiah juga terjadi di pakistan. kan pakistan tidak sedang dalam 'pendudukan' US?
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Postby ali5196 » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:10 am

Betullll ! Semua sengsara didunia ini hasil kerja YAHUDI ... Yahudi yg jumlahnya cuma 15 juta diseluruh dunia ini ternyata memang lebih hebat dari Muslim yg jumlahnya (menurut pengakuan Muslim) sampai 1,5 MILYAR .... woooowwwww .... Muslim segitu banyak ternyata nggak mampu menghadapi tipuan Yahudi.

Jadi yg cerdik siapa nih ? Yahudi atau Muslim ?

Siapa dibelakang permulaan perpecahan Islam kedalam dua sekte : Sunni - Syiah ? YAHUDI !!!!
Siapa dibelakang 9/11 ? YAHUDI
Siapa dibelakang Bin Laden ? YAHUDI !
Siapa dibelakang tsunami ? YAHUDI !
Siapa dibelakang petrodollar Arab2 Wahabi ? YAHUDI !
Siapa dibelakang Fatah vs Hamas ? YAHUDI !

TAPI Siapa yg menjatuhkan Sadam Husein ?? MUQTADA SADR !!!!! :lol: :lol:

Siapa yg membantu Kuwait melawan Irak ? MUQTADA SADR !!!!

Siapa yg membantu Indonesia melawan Jepang ? MUQTADA SADR !!!!

Siapa pencipta internet ? Muqtada SADR !!!! :lol:

Hebring emang Muslim !! :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby ali5196 » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:19 am

Lulldapull wrote:How to Start a Civil War
Few westerners know that about 20% of Iraqi marriages are Sunni-Shia unions.
Few Westerners know that 80% Sunni-Shia cannot stand each other. Few Westerners know that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Islam will advance by TAQQIYA : lie, lie, lie, blame everybody else BUT themselves.

Baca kata2 mutiara gua dibawah ini :

Q3:54 ... Dan Allah adalah 'khairu al mukareena' : tukang tipu yg paling jitu !
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Postby ce_bok_tay » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:14 am

Hamas (syiah) versus Fatah (sunni) lagi main tembak2an.

NU versus Muhammadyah..juga perang... cari kursi di DPR.. he..he..he.. :lol:
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Postby BRONTOK » Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:30 am

ce_bok_tay wrote:Hamas (syiah) versus Fatah (sunni) lagi main tembak2an.

NU versus Muhammadyah..juga perang... cari kursi di DPR.. he..he..he.. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:...cebok..cebok nasib mu nak...baru tau gue kalo Hamas itu Syiah...baru tau gue kalo di DPR ada perang antara NU vs Muhammadiyah...cebok dulu sana gih biar gak bau amis...hihihi
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Postby Lulldapull » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:38 am

BRONTOK wrote:
ce_bok_tay wrote:Hamas (syiah) versus Fatah (sunni) lagi main tembak2an.

NU versus Muhammadyah..juga perang... cari kursi di DPR.. he..he..he.. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:...cebok..cebok nasib mu nak...baru tau gue kalo Hamas itu Syiah...baru tau gue kalo di DPR ada perang antara NU vs Muhammadiyah...cebok dulu sana gih biar gak bau amis...hihihi


Salaam, sdr. Brontok

Makin lama forum ini makin lucu karena semua pembenci Islam disini yang pintar mengoperasikan PC dibalik layar, ternyata memiliki kapasitas otak lebih rendah dari manusia prasejarah era Neanderthal. Tidak heran kalau semua feces keluar dari mulut mereka, tidak melewati rectum sebagaimana mestinya.

Anda lihat dengan mata kepala sendiri bahwa sikap kekanak-kanakan ini adalah tanda kekalahan karena mereka tak mampu mencerna masalah yang teramat kompleks dan cenderung menjadi jagoan neon a la film Hollywood sambil mengunyah junk food Amerika yang menyebabkan banyak orang Amerika mirip karung beras berjalan! :lol: :lol:

@Rascal5196,

Thanks to Muslim immigrants in Europe, slowly Westerners started to realize theirselves about al-Islam since the 1993 massacre of Bosnian Muslims. FYI, arsehat, most of the convertees are ladies who sick of their surrounding lifestyles.

I really know that it's hard to cure you spiritually since pile of bovine excrements deeply intoxicates you. I mean, seems that you have reached deeper end of living hell you've created yourself. Why don't you go to Worchester and said it blatantly in front of Indo-Pakistani immigrants for curing your mental masturbation?

Life must be hard living under Islamophobic situation created by 10 Downing Street lapdogs, lad... :lol:
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Postby openyourmind » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:47 pm

Sorry...dalam ajaran agama saya dilarang saling membenci umat manusia, beda dgn ajaran agama islam yg jelas-jelas ditulis untuk membenci ajaran lain diluar islam.
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Postby BRONTOK » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:16 pm

ah gak juga tuh..saya gak pernah benci sama kafir kalo gak ada alasan yg jelas, kafir kan juga manusia...hihihi
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Postby spiderweb » Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:47 pm

to lulldapull:

pertanyaan gua belum dijawab malahan melenceng ke sana ke mari.
nah, kalau kafir gak berotak and muslim pandai kenapa israel masih ada?
kenapa kok muslim rame2 pindah ke negara kafir? kenapa superpower kok US, bukan saudi?

saudi kan harusnya jadi superpower karena diberkati ama auoh. lain ceritanya kalau auoh lu itu cuman batu item. gua propose di dalamnya dibuat WC umum aja. Keren juga bisa buang hajat di dalamnya..haha..

btw jangan percaya propaganda islam, gua tinggal di negara eropa and gua tahu gak ada yang namanya convert rame2 ke islam. lu tahu gak kalau sebagian besar westerner bukan lagi kristen tapi atheist? kalau mereka dah gak percaya lagi ama Tuhan kenapa harus percaya ama batu di mekkah? :?:

udah jangan nangis atau sedih. solat sana mohon supaya auoh menjatuhkan azab yang paling pedih ama kafir :lol:
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@Laba-laba sakit

Postby Lulldapull » Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:49 pm

spiderweb wrote:to lulldapull:

pertanyaan gua belum dijawab malahan melenceng ke sana ke mari.
nah, kalau kafir gak berotak and muslim pandai kenapa israel masih ada?
kenapa kok muslim rame2 pindah ke negara kafir? kenapa superpower kok US, bukan saudi?


Ini bukan masalah agama, keep it clean! R&D negara-negara Muslim kurang mencukupi karena ummat Islam kurang memperhatikan iptek serta ilmu agama karena kecintaan dunia yang besar serta penggunaan ideologi non-Islam secara berlebihan yang menyebabkan tidak sinkronnya agama dan perbuatan. Jadi mereka terpaksa pergi ke negara Barat. Jangan lupa masih banyak ilmuwan Muslim yang berada di negara Muslim lain. Contoh: Ilmuwan Indonesia ikut dalam program pengembangan reaktor nuklir di Iran.

Zionis bisa bertahan hidup karena dukungan finansial yang penuh dari AS, termasuk lobi Zionis dan Kristen fundamentalis macam Jerry Falwell cs. Belum lagi keberadaan rezim-rezim boneka Arab yang dipelihara Inggris - kemudian oleh AmeriKKKa - demi keamanan Zionis dan ladang minyak Timur Tengah yang merupakan makanan bagi orang AmeriKKKa yang boros. Lihat: http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/114285

spiderweb wrote:saudi kan harusnya jadi superpower karena diberkati ama auoh. lain ceritanya kalau auoh lu itu cuman batu item. gua propose di dalamnya dibuat WC umum aja. Keren juga bisa buang hajat di dalamnya..haha..


Saudi dewasa ini dibawah kekuasaan raja yang pro-AS. Lewatnya, ummat Islam setempat dikekang demi AS. Bagaimana kalau saya buatkan WC di Vatikan?

spiderweb wrote:btw jangan percaya propaganda islam, gua tinggal di negara eropa and gua tahu gak ada yang namanya convert rame2 ke islam. lu tahu gak kalau sebagian besar westerner bukan lagi kristen tapi atheist? kalau mereka dah gak percaya lagi ama Tuhan kenapa harus percaya ama batu di mekkah? :?:

udah jangan nangis atau sedih. solat sana mohon supaya auoh menjatuhkan azab yang paling pedih ama kafir :lol:


Maaf Eropa mana? Banyak media massa setempat di Eropa yang memberitakan fenomena itu; mungkin kamu tidak pernah membaca keadaan setempat. BTW, bila orang Barat masuk Islam, mereka takkan gembar-gembor seperti mulut besar macam kamu dan gerombolan ****.

Saya tahu kalau mayoritas orang Eropa atheis, namun mereka percaya adanya Tuhan Yang Maha Esa; hanya saja mereka tak lagi percaya para pendeta dan gereja. Singkat kata, mereka tahu Tuhan, namun tak tahu peta jalan untuk menuju Tuhan mereka.

"Batu hitam" di Ka'bah hanyalah sekedar simbol cinta kasih Allah SWT pada manusianya serta persatuan umat manusia dari Barat sampai Timur tanpa mengindahkan warna kulit, suku, status serta latar belakang kehidupan. Kamu cuma bisa melihat tampilan luar tanpa memahami esensinya.

BTW, tentu saja saya shalat dan berdoa semoga kamu bisa diberi hidayah-Nya demikian pula para senator AS yang masih buta tentang Islam... :wink: 8)kasihan mereka lupa jatidirinya sebagai kaum imigran yang menggusur orang Indian. Tolong kembali ke topik yang dibahas, ya?
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Re: @Laba-laba sakit

Postby spiderweb » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:25 pm

Lulldapull wrote:
spiderweb wrote:to lulldapull:

pertanyaan gua belum dijawab malahan melenceng ke sana ke mari.
nah, kalau kafir gak berotak and muslim pandai kenapa israel masih ada?
kenapa kok muslim rame2 pindah ke negara kafir? kenapa superpower kok US, bukan saudi?


Ini bukan masalah agama, keep it clean! R&D negara-negara Muslim kurang mencukupi karena ummat Islam kurang memperhatikan iptek serta ilmu agama karena kecintaan dunia yang besar serta penggunaan ideologi non-Islam secara berlebihan yang menyebabkan tidak sinkronnya agama dan perbuatan. Jadi mereka terpaksa pergi ke negara Barat. Jangan lupa masih banyak ilmuwan Muslim yang berada di negara Muslim lain. Contoh: Ilmuwan Indonesia ikut dalam program pengembangan reaktor nuklir di Iran.

Hahahahaha...emang repot kalau matanya dah ketutup sampe fakta di depan mata aja bisa gak keliatan. bukannya muslim itu **** and terbelakang karena terlalu menuruti ajaran2 di kuran yang notabene datang dari abad 7? gini aja, bisa gak lu membuat nuklir kalau kerjaan lu baca kuran mulu sepanjang hari? coba liat pakistan and india. yang satu muslim, yang lain hindu. mana yang lebih maju. dah liat belum siswa2 madrasah di pakistan yang kerjanya cuma baca kuran mulu sambil tunduk2. terus gedenya jadi apa? teroris pembom bunuh diri! kalau lu gak ada teknologi dari barat bisa gak survive jaman sekarang ini? kalau misalnya ada ilmuwan nuklir dari indonesia, kalau, soalnya gua belum liat ada artikelnya, dulunya dia belajar ilmu nuklir di mana? bukan di madrasah kan?

Zionis bisa bertahan hidup karena dukungan finansial yang penuh dari AS, termasuk lobi Zionis dan Kristen fundamentalis macam Jerry Falwell cs. Belum lagi keberadaan rezim-rezim boneka Arab yang dipelihara Inggris - kemudian oleh AmeriKKKa - demi keamanan Zionis dan ladang minyak Timur Tengah yang merupakan makanan bagi orang AmeriKKKa yang boros. Lihat: http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/114285

nah, siapa yang kuat and punya teknologi otomatis yang bisa makmur jaman sekarang ini. kalau lu sibuk salahin amrik and israel mulu kapan lu bisa maju? emang lu pernah liat ada orang yahudi meledakkan dirinya sendiri di jerman setelah holocaust PD II? lu liat gak tibet yang dijajah ama cina, ada gitu terorisme di sana? emang lu pikir palestina dibiarkan saja apa adanya sama tetangga-tetangganya untuk urusan apa? tuh uang dari saudi malahan sibuk buat menyebarkan wahabisme ke seluruh dunia. kenapa gak bantu saudaranya sendiri? Bonus: kalau di kuran disebutkan bangsa arab itu yang paling benar, yang lain turunan monyet and babi semua. kenapa keadaannya sekarang kaya gini? di mana auoh? lu tiap hari solat minta diturunkan azab ynag paling pedih buat kafir kok ternyata jadi senjata makan tuan?

spiderweb wrote:saudi kan harusnya jadi superpower karena diberkati ama auoh. lain ceritanya kalau auoh lu itu cuman batu item. gua propose di dalamnya dibuat WC umum aja. Keren juga bisa buang hajat di dalamnya..haha..


Saudi dewasa ini dibawah kekuasaan raja yang pro-AS. Lewatnya, ummat Islam setempat dikekang demi AS. Bagaimana kalau saya buatkan WC di Vatikan?

nah, kalau gitu auoh kalah dong ama USA? auoh kok kalah ama manusia. auoh, auoh, malang sekali nasibmu. bertanya2 dong kemana auoh lu itu, kenapa kok amrik gak ditimpakan azab ynag paling pedih? gua suka banget ama cara ustadz di mesjid deket rumah ngomong...hehehe...mulai sekarang lu harus solat menghadap liberty...hehehehe...wah, setahu gua dah ada tuh WC umum di vatikan, malahan gua yakin lebih dari satu. gua pengen banget tuh buang hajat dalam kabah! aaaahhh uuuuhhh oooooohh :lol:

spiderweb wrote:btw jangan percaya propaganda islam, gua tinggal di negara eropa and gua tahu gak ada yang namanya convert rame2 ke islam. lu tahu gak kalau sebagian besar westerner bukan lagi kristen tapi atheist? kalau mereka dah gak percaya lagi ama Tuhan kenapa harus percaya ama batu di mekkah? :?:

udah jangan nangis atau sedih. solat sana mohon supaya auoh menjatuhkan azab yang paling pedih ama kafir :lol:


Maaf Eropa mana? Banyak media massa setempat di Eropa yang memberitakan fenomena itu; mungkin kamu tidak pernah membaca keadaan setempat. BTW, bila orang Barat masuk Islam, mereka takkan gembar-gembor seperti mulut besar macam kamu dan gerombolan ****.

Saya tahu kalau mayoritas orang Eropa atheis, namun mereka percaya adanya Tuhan Yang Maha Esa; hanya saja mereka tak lagi percaya para pendeta dan gereja. Singkat kata, mereka tahu Tuhan, namun tak tahu peta jalan untuk menuju Tuhan mereka.

"Batu hitam" di Ka'bah hanyalah sekedar simbol cinta kasih Allah SWT pada manusianya serta persatuan umat manusia dari Barat sampai Timur tanpa mengindahkan warna kulit, suku, status serta latar belakang kehidupan. Kamu cuma bisa melihat tampilan luar tanpa memahami esensinya.

oh ya? bukannya setahu gua non muslim dilarang masuk mekkah? berarti bukan buat semua orang dong...

BTW, tentu saja saya shalat dan berdoa semoga kamu bisa diberi hidayah-Nya demikian pula para senator AS yang masih buta tentang Islam... :wink: 8)kasihan mereka lupa jatidirinya sebagai kaum imigran yang menggusur orang Indian. Tolong kembali ke topik yang dibahas, ya?


amin amin... sana solat aja yang niat deh siapa tahu kita-kita di sini bisa jadi mualaf. suka-suka lu lah...8) :lol:
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Postby spiderweb » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:33 pm

Lulldapull wrote:
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pertanyaan gua belum dijawab malahan melenceng ke sana ke mari.
nah, kalau kafir gak berotak and muslim pandai kenapa israel masih ada?
kenapa kok muslim rame2 pindah ke negara kafir? kenapa superpower kok US, bukan saudi?


Ini bukan masalah agama, keep it clean! R&D negara-negara Muslim kurang mencukupi karena ummat Islam kurang memperhatikan iptek serta ilmu agama karena kecintaan dunia yang besar serta penggunaan ideologi non-Islam secara berlebihan yang menyebabkan tidak sinkronnya agama dan perbuatan. Jadi mereka terpaksa pergi ke negara Barat. Jangan lupa masih banyak ilmuwan Muslim yang berada di negara Muslim lain. Contoh: Ilmuwan Indonesia ikut dalam program pengembangan reaktor nuklir di Iran.

Hahahahaha...emang repot kalau matanya dah ketutup sampe fakta di depan mata aja bisa gak keliatan. bukannya muslim itu **** and terbelakang karena terlalu menuruti ajaran2 di kuran yang notabene datang dari abad 7? gini aja, bisa gak lu membuat nuklir kalau kerjaan lu baca kuran mulu sepanjang hari? coba liat pakistan and india. yang satu muslim, yang lain hindu. mana yang lebih maju. dah liat belum siswa2 madrasah di pakistan yang kerjanya cuma baca kuran mulu sambil tunduk2. terus gedenya jadi apa? teroris pembom bunuh diri! kalau lu gak ada teknologi dari barat bisa gak survive jaman sekarang ini? kalau misalnya ada ilmuwan nuklir dari indonesia, kalau, soalnya gua belum liat ada artikelnya, dulunya dia belajar ilmu nuklir di mana? bukan di madrasah kan?

Zionis bisa bertahan hidup karena dukungan finansial yang penuh dari AS, termasuk lobi Zionis dan Kristen fundamentalis macam Jerry Falwell cs. Belum lagi keberadaan rezim-rezim boneka Arab yang dipelihara Inggris - kemudian oleh AmeriKKKa - demi keamanan Zionis dan ladang minyak Timur Tengah yang merupakan makanan bagi orang AmeriKKKa yang boros. Lihat: http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/114285

nah, siapa yang kuat and punya teknologi otomatis yang bisa makmur jaman sekarang ini. kalau lu sibuk salahin amrik and israel mulu kapan lu bisa maju? emang lu pernah liat ada orang yahudi meledakkan dirinya sendiri di jerman setelah holocaust PD II? lu liat gak tibet yang dijajah ama cina, ada gitu terorisme di sana? emang lu pikir palestina dibiarkan saja apa adanya sama tetangga-tetangganya untuk urusan apa? tuh uang dari saudi malahan sibuk buat menyebarkan wahabisme ke seluruh dunia. kenapa gak bantu saudaranya sendiri? Bonus: kalau di kuran disebutkan bangsa arab itu yang paling benar, yang lain turunan monyet and babi semua. kenapa keadaannya sekarang kaya gini? di mana auoh? lu tiap hari solat minta diturunkan azab ynag paling pedih buat kafir kok ternyata jadi senjata makan tuan?

spiderweb wrote:saudi kan harusnya jadi superpower karena diberkati ama auoh. lain ceritanya kalau auoh lu itu cuman batu item. gua propose di dalamnya dibuat WC umum aja. Keren juga bisa buang hajat di dalamnya..haha..


Saudi dewasa ini dibawah kekuasaan raja yang pro-AS. Lewatnya, ummat Islam setempat dikekang demi AS. Bagaimana kalau saya buatkan WC di Vatikan?

nah, kalau gitu auoh kalah dong ama USA? auoh kok kalah ama manusia. auoh, auoh, malang sekali nasibmu. bertanya2 dong kemana auoh lu itu, kenapa kok amrik gak ditimpakan azab ynag paling pedih? gua suka banget ama cara ustadz di mesjid deket rumah ngomong...hehehe...mulai sekarang lu harus solat menghadap liberty...hehehehe...wah, setahu gua dah ada tuh WC umum di vatikan, malahan gua yakin lebih dari satu. gua pengen banget tuh buang hajat dalam kabah! aaaahhh uuuuhhh oooooohh :lol:

spiderweb wrote:btw jangan percaya propaganda islam, gua tinggal di negara eropa and gua tahu gak ada yang namanya convert rame2 ke islam. lu tahu gak kalau sebagian besar westerner bukan lagi kristen tapi atheist? kalau mereka dah gak percaya lagi ama Tuhan kenapa harus percaya ama batu di mekkah? :?:

udah jangan nangis atau sedih. solat sana mohon supaya auoh menjatuhkan azab yang paling pedih ama kafir :lol:


Maaf Eropa mana? Banyak media massa setempat di Eropa yang memberitakan fenomena itu; mungkin kamu tidak pernah membaca keadaan setempat. BTW, bila orang Barat masuk Islam, mereka takkan gembar-gembor seperti mulut besar macam kamu dan gerombolan ****.

Saya tahu kalau mayoritas orang Eropa atheis, namun mereka percaya adanya Tuhan Yang Maha Esa; hanya saja mereka tak lagi percaya para pendeta dan gereja. Singkat kata, mereka tahu Tuhan, namun tak tahu peta jalan untuk menuju Tuhan mereka.

ah, media acuan lu paling juga BBC, baca-baca dong media yang lain. terus siapa tuh yang gembor-gembor? bukannya islam yang suka gembor-gembor bikin taqqiyah? alexander islam kek, neil armstrong islam kek, napoleon islam kek, api lapindo membentuk kata2 auoh, dsb. emang lu pernah liat ada pemberitaan si ini ato si itu masuk kristen ato buddha ato hindu? btw lu tahu gak agama yang pertumbuhannya paling pesat sekarang di eropa? agnostik and buddhism! kalau lu bilang muslim makin banyak sih faktanya emang iya, tapi bukan dari convert melainkan dari imigrasi and muslim kalau punya anak kaya tikus, minimal 5! :lol:

"Batu hitam" di Ka'bah hanyalah sekedar simbol cinta kasih Allah SWT pada manusianya serta persatuan umat manusia dari Barat sampai Timur tanpa mengindahkan warna kulit, suku, status serta latar belakang kehidupan. Kamu cuma bisa melihat tampilan luar tanpa memahami esensinya.

oh ya? bukannya setahu gua non muslim dilarang masuk mekkah? berarti bukan buat semua orang dong...lagian ngapain ngasih batu sebagai tanda cinta eh? kenapa kok gak ngasih kedamaian aja sama umatnya? lu ngrasa gak kalau islam itu penuh cinta kasih, the religion of peace (TM) ? sampe sesama sodara aja bunuh-bunuhan. gimana caranya mau menguasai dunia kalau sesama sodara bunuh2-an? lu mau menguasai dunia kan? mimpi aja sampe kiamat sana! boro2 nguasai dunia, di palestina aja hamas and fatah bunuh2-an kan? padahal sama-sama sunni. gimana kalau sama syiah coba?

BTW, tentu saja saya shalat dan berdoa semoga kamu bisa diberi hidayah-Nya demikian pula para senator AS yang masih buta tentang Islam... :wink: 8)kasihan mereka lupa jatidirinya sebagai kaum imigran yang menggusur orang Indian. Tolong kembali ke topik yang dibahas, ya?


amin amin... sana solat aja yang niat deh siapa tahu kita-kita di sini bisa jadi mualaf. suka-suka lu lah...8) :lol:
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Postby spiderweb » Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:26 am

contoh 'civilized debate' antara sunni and shiah di qatar TV.

ayo, ayo, gua dukung lu sunni...
gua juga dukung lu shiah...

kalau jadi pedagang senjata pasti untung besar jualan senjata ke sunni and shiah...

sesama saudara kok bunuh2-an...gimana mau menguasai dunia? :roll:

http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1347
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Postby spiderweb » Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:37 am

7 January 2007
BRITS WHO HATE US
THE PEOPLE INVESTIGATION How young men spread poison to undermine their OWN country Fanatical UK Muslims are preaching terror on web Muslims who do not fight like the fantastic, fabulous, magnificent soldiers of 9/11 will go to hell. When I turn on the news I like to hear that Americans have been killed... ABU MUWAHID
By Daniel Jones
A FRESH wave of British-born extremist Muslim clerics is whipping up hatred against their own country on the internet.

These men - who dream of seeing the black flag of Islam flying over 10 Downing Street - were filmed spouting vile messages of fanaticism and violence in sermons in mosques and community centres in Britain.

People investigators discovered the sinister scenes on the web even though the shadowy sites are protected by passwords.

Our findings will come as a blow to the Government and moderate Muslim leaders working hard for harmony between communities.

We found that shocking anti-British propaganda is STILL being spread even though hate preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed was banished abroad after the 7/7 atrocities and hook-handed fellow fanatic Abu Hamza is in jail.

As our investigators studied the disturbing footage they heard:


THREATS of more terrorist attacks if Britain does not withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan.


VOWS to impose brutal Sharia law on Britain.


PRAYERS in honour of the "magnificent" 19 Al-Qaeda terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks.


The anti-British or pro-terrorist rants are often mixed in with talks about legitimate Islamic topics. Other clips appear to feature conferences with anti-Western themes.


One radical ABU WALEED appears in a talk about the 7/7 bus and Tube bombings in 2005. Quoting a recent survey, he says: "One in eight Muslims would be proud if a member of their family was a member of Al-Qaeda. The threat of Al-Qaeda is real."


He adds: "One day we hope to implement Sharia law over Downing Street and Washington itself."


Preacher ABU IBRAHIM makes a shocking reference to the revered Mother Theresa in a talk on the Day of Judgment.


In a theme that crops up in other clips, he says all kuffars - non-Muslims - will be "dragged into hell fire by hooks".


He says: "People like Mother Theresa who spent her whole life doing good deeds will realise on Judgment Day her good deeds will come to nothing."



A young cleric called ABU MUWAHID, who appears frequently in clips, lavishes praise on the 9/11 attackers in a talk about prayer.


He says the "fantastic, fabulous, magnificent - whatever word you prefer, whatever word suits you, but any word of praise - soldiers destroyed the two idols of today."


He brands Muslims who are not prepared to fight as hypocrites who will go to hell. "They have no intention to conquer...or to bring the black flag over 10 Downing Street," says Muwahid.


At one point he adds: "When I turn on the news I like to hear that Americans have been killed." Fellow radical ABU SAALIHAH is recorded talking about the Duty of Dawah - meaning to preach Islam or encourage others to become Muslims.


To cheers from his audience, he promises: "One day the black flag of Islam is going to be over 10 Downing Street, whether Tony Blair likes it or not." He demands to know: "What role are you going to play? Are you going to be one of those people who watch Osama bin Laden or the Mujahideen or the (inaudible) in the UK fulfilling their duty? You need to play an active role."


ANJEM CHOUDARY from Ilford, Essex, appears in several clips. In one he says: "We believe Islam will be dominant all over the world."


In another he says: "If anyone is a terrorist Blair and Bush are terrorists."


Slipping anti-British propaganda into talks on Islamic subjects is a typical technique for grooming impressionable youngsters. A top security analyst told us: "This is how they target people."


Choudary, 39, delivers scathing criticism of Muslims who fly the cross of St George on their cars in support of the England football team.


"A Christian cross," he sneers. "That is an act of kufr {when a Muslim does something wrong} to wear a cross." When The People contacted


Choudary yesterday he would not say whether he knew any of his fellow radicals featured in the clips.


Asked about Abu Muwahid's comments regarding 9/11, he said: "After years of occupation and years of destruction in the Muslim world and all the other things that happen, when someone sees the enemy suffering you should not be surprised there are people who express their pleasure." He added: "We do not like non-Muslims. We are required not to like them because they reject Allah and his messengers."


MI5 chief Dame Eliza Manning-ham-Buller has warned that Britain is threatened by 200 terrorist networks involving at least 1,600 people.


The People is not naming the websites but will pass on details to the authorities.


British Muslim Umran Javed was found guilty on Friday of soliciting to murder and stirring up racial hatred during a rally last year.


The Old Bailey heard how he chanted "Bomb, bomb USA" outside the Danish embassy in London after a Danish newspaper printed drawings of the prophet Mohammed.


Javed, 27, from Birmingham, will be kept in custody until he is sentenced in April.

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headlin ... _page.html

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gimana mau dominant di dunia kalau untuk menghapus israel dari peta dunia aja gak bisa? gimana kalau fatah and hamas di palestina saling bunuh2-an? sunni and shiah di irak? state negara2 muslims yang so miserable? gak punya ilmu, gak punya power, gak punya teknologi, dsb, dsb?

temen gua orang bule bilang kalau orang arab itu lebih gede omongnya dari tindakannya. liat aja waktu hamas terpilih di palestina, apa janjinya? belum habis masa jabatannya sekarang malahan perang sodara ama fatah! I don't care if muslims terrorize muslims or muslims kill muslims. the more the better. Just exterminate yourself for the sake of humanity so we can spare our effort and money to build the first human colony in mars!
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